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Why did Trump betray the Kurds? The rationales make no sense.

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Oct. 10, 2019 at 6:44 p.m. CDT
While both Republicans and Democrats were aghast at President Trump’s impetuous, Sunday-night decision to allow Turkish troops to invade northern Syria — thereby betraying our Kurdish allies — the usual suspects rushed forward to explain why this was another genius move by an infallible leader who plays eight-dimensional chess.

Trump’s most influential defender has been an obscure blogger named Kurt Schlichter, who has written, by his own telling, “action-packed yet hilarious novels of America torn apart by the kind of liberal fascism the Democrats promise.” One of these works imagines a future civil war between red and blue America in which liberals are slaughtered. (“San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area.”)

Writing in Townhall, Schlichter suggested that we don’t owe the Kurds anything because they “didn’t show up for us at Normandy or Inchon or Khe Sanh or Kandahar.” No, they didn’t. But some Kurds did fight for the Allies in World War II. More significantly, they showed up a lot more recently in Manbij and Raqqa, where they suffered heavy casualties to defeat the Islamic State, thereby sparing U.S. troops from a brutal ground war.

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Schlichter also argued that Turkey’s invasion was justified because it had suffered “cross-border attacks” by Kurdish terrorists based in Syria. I’m not aware of a single such attack — and if had happened, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan would have loudly said so.

Finally, Schlichter wrote that “if the Turks are intent on invading,” the only way to stop them is by sending U.S. troops to war, and Trump rightly said “No thanks.” In reality, Turkey has shown no desire to fight U.S. troops — and for good reason. Erdogan is all too aware that Russia lost 200 to 300 mercenaries to punishing U.S. airstrikes while attacking a U.S. outpost in Syria. If Erdogan told Trump that the Turks would be willing to fight U.S. troops, he was bluffing — and Trump fell for it.

These are, to put it mildly, unconvincing arguments. Yet Trump himself parroted the Normandy line from what he called Schlichter’s “very, very powerful article,” while Secretary of State Mike Pompeo justified the U.S. withdrawal by claiming it was for the good of U.S. troops. That isn’t the view of a U.S. Special Forces soldier in Syria who told Fox News, “I am ashamed for the first time in my career.”

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Other Trump sympathizers have offered equally unconvincing, if more sophisticated, justifications for the president’s decision. Two scholars of the Middle East, Michael Doran and Michael A. Reynolds, suggested in the Wall Street Journal that the fault was really President Barack Obama’s for aligning with the Kurds in 2016 — despite the success of that strategy and the lack of any realistic alternatives. Journal columnist Walter Russell Mead rationalized Trump’s move because he is giving his “Jacksonian” (i.e., isolationist) followers what they want. The Jacksonians may get more than they bargained for, however, if Trump’s move leads to a resurgence of the Islamic State.

These attempts to reverse-engineer and thereby justify Trump’s decision fail not only because of the weakness of the arguments advanced on his behalf, but also because there is no reason to imagine that Trump’s move had anything to do with these ex post facto justifications.

We still don’t know why Trump acted so solicitously toward a Turkish dictator who has been pursuing an anti-Israel, anti-American and anti-democratic agenda. Trump himself admitted in 2015 that when it came to Turkey, “I have a little conflict of interest ‘cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul. … It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.” Might the revenue that Trump derives from the Trump Towers in Istanbul influence his decision to let Erdogan have his way? Trump’s demands that Ukraine and China provide him dirt on Joe Biden indicate that he has no scruples about subordinating public interest to self-interest. Perhaps he did so in this case as well.

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Or perhaps Trump acted simply because he loves dictators like Erdogan? Or because he is an ardent isolationist who wants to withdraw troops from foreign hot spots no matter the risks? (“It is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home,” he tweeted Monday.)

Or maybe, just maybe, Trump simply didn’t think much before acting? That would be indicated by his casual dismissal of concerns that the Turkish invasion could lead to the freeing of Islamic State prisoners. “Well, they are going to be escaping to Europe, that’s where they want to go,” Trump said. As if it doesn’t matter whether there are terrorist attacks in Europe, despite all of the Americans living and visiting there — and as if there is no way that a terrorist could get from Europe to the United States.

It would probably be necessary to read the transcripts of Trump’s calls with Erdogan to have any clue about why he acted as he did. Until those become available, there is no need to give much credence to the lame rationales offered by Trump and his amen corner.

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While both Republicans and Democrats were aghast at President Trump’s impetuous, Sunday-night decision to allow Turkish troops to invade northern Syria

Sorry Ciggy,... couldn't read any deeper into this steaming pile of shit.....
 
The Answer is pretty simple.

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“Moresignificantly, they showed up a lot more recentlyin Manbij and Raqqa, where they suffered heavy casualties to defeat the Islamic State, thereby sparing U.S. troops from a brutal ground war.”

Maximum Bootlicker never explains why US troops would need to be fighting ISIS in Syria when the Syrian government is already doing it with Russian air power.

Obama’s decision to even more deeply embroil us in a failed regime change proxy war isn’t a license to keep us in the Middle East forever.

Sorry, not sorry neocons.
 
Dems are war mongers. Rs prefer peace.

Trump is saving American lives and ending Obama's illegal war.

Can you tell the difference between a Kurd and a Turk?

Rs prefer peace? Really?

I think most people would be okay with pulling out of these areas...but it needs to be planned out. Everyone knew what Erdogan was going to do to the Kurds once Trump gave his blessing. Those Kurds were essential to defeating ISIS, we promised to stand by them (what you're supposed to for Allies), and Trump completely left them out to dry.
 
Those Kurds were essential to defeating ISIS, we promised to stand by them (what you're supposed to for Allies), and Trump completely left them out to dry.

Why were they ‘essential’ when the Syrian government was already gaining the upper hand with Russian air power?

ISIS was done when Trump put an end to the CIA arms pipeline into Syria summer of 2017.
We didn’t have to do anything more than quit putting gas in the fire and the locals would wrap it up.
 
How does this make sense?

Syrian Army started winning the war once they got Russian air power to support them.
When Trump shut down the covert arms flow to the opposition ISIS was cooked.
Even if we imagined it was a total accident that the weapons we were funneling into Syria kept ending up in the hands of jihadists, when that was cut off they (the jihadists trying to overthrow Assad) were screwed.
 
Syrian Army started winning the war once they got Russian air power to support them.
When Trump shut down the covert arms flow to the opposition ISIS was cooked.
Even if we imagined it was a total accident that the weapons we were funneling into Syria kept ending up in the hands of jihadists, when that was cut off they (the jihadists trying to overthrow Assad) were screwed.
It they were done, how are they a problem?
 
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Why were they ‘essential’ when the Syrian government was already gaining the upper hand with Russian air power?

ISIS was done when Trump put an end to the CIA arms pipeline into Syria summer of 2017.
We didn’t have to do anything more than quit putting gas in the fire and the locals would wrap it up.

You're even talking the language of the Turks, the Kurds don't appear to exist to you.

It's clear cut why we supported this buffer zone, it was for the protection of the Kurds, Syrian Christians, and other endangered refugees/minorities. It was a side plus that the Kurds were also handling ISIS POW's for us.
 
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Syrian Army started winning the war once they got Russian air power to support them.
When Trump shut down the covert arms flow to the opposition ISIS was cooked.
Even if we imagined it was a total accident that the weapons we were funneling into Syria kept ending up in the hands of jihadists, when that was cut off they (the jihadists trying to overthrow Assad) were screwed.

You appear to operate under the assumption that Russia increasing it's influence in the Middle East is a good thing.
 
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You appear to operate under the assumption that Russia increasing it's influence in the Middle East is a good thing.

Preferable to the jihadists we armed for years and years, wouldn’t you agree?

Can you find anyone that doesn’t think Syria was better off 10 years ago?

We’ve ‘helped’ enough methinks.
 
that didn't answer the question.

They’re not our problem.
That’s the answer.
No more than Boko Haram or the Tamil Tigers.

I think John Quincy Adams was right, and I don’t want to saddle up with you and tilt at windmills.
That’s not what America is about.
 
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