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Temple was founded in 1884 by Civil War hero Russell Conwell, an ordained Baptist minister. The building where Conwell held his first classes was a Baptist church.
That church, the Baptist Temple, at the corner of Berks and Broad streets, remains the symbolic home of Temple University. It has recently been refurbished as an arts center and has hosted concerts by the likes of Patti Lupone. It was also used as a boxing venue for scenes from the movie Creed.
Conwell's first students were working-class people who took classes at night. Hence, the Owls. It's a tribute, not just to Conwell's first students, but to the many generations of Philadelphians who received their education through night school at Temple.
Today, Temple is one of four state-related universities (along with Pitt, Penn State and Lincoln).
That church, the Baptist Temple, at the corner of Berks and Broad streets, remains the symbolic home of Temple University. It has recently been refurbished as an arts center and has hosted concerts by the likes of Patti Lupone. It was also used as a boxing venue for scenes from the movie Creed.
Conwell's first students were working-class people who took classes at night. Hence, the Owls. It's a tribute, not just to Conwell's first students, but to the many generations of Philadelphians who received their education through night school at Temple.
Today, Temple is one of four state-related universities (along with Pitt, Penn State and Lincoln).
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I don't know, Why does Radio Shack ask for your phone number ever time you buy batteries?
Pretty sure the Owl nickname is a reference to former coach John Chaney. Could be wrong about that, tho.
This is our namesake. It is now a performing arts center:
Pretty sure the Owl nickname is a reference to former coach John Chaney. Could be wrong about that, tho.
For many years, around tournament time, when newspapers were looking for copy, someone from somewhere would do the "coaches who look like the school mascots" story.
Chaney was always in there. As was Gene Keady because, as someone put it, you just KNOW that under that Boilermaker hard hat is a comb over.
Been reading the Rugrats Scalded Knights board, I take it.
Glad I'm not the only one who saw this. I always thought if he had a set of wings sitting behind the bench, he could slap 'em on and go double as the mascot if the games ever got really out of hand...
Actually Chaney's first head coaching job was at Simon Gratz High School. He quickly turned a 1-18 team to an 18-1 winner (long before Rasheed Wallace started racking up technicals in HS). Cheyney was JC's first college coaching gig, where he went 225-59, winning an NCAA Division II championship.
Factoid: One of Wallace's HS teammates was Levan Alston Sr. who transferred to Temple from New Orleans and had a nice career for Chaney at Point Guard U. His son, Levan Alston Jr. is freshman on this year's squad.
I seem to recall that Chaney was the coach at Sayre Junior High before moving on to Gratz. Now there's the classic example of an up-through-the-ranks basketball lifer.
Considering its location its not surprising that it is larger than Iowa at 37,000 students. Many urban schools have exorbitant enrollments. But TRUST Temple is no Iowa. As many large urban public schools are no where near the quality of Iowa.
Actually, it is rare for a northeast urban school to have a huge enrollment. Temple, NYU and Boston University are the only ones. 6,000-10,000 is a big school for the northeast. The northeast is loaded with private schools in the 2,000-4,000 range.
Academically, Iowa is what it is. A school that kids from Iowa can attend at a lower cost than the private schools. The school admits most of it's applicants (81% admission rate). It's pretty much the same type of institutional mission as Temple, an accessible and affordable educational opportunity for the local community. Don't get on your high horse about Iowa academics here (especially not with fans from an elite school like Villanova lurking around)
Academically, Iowa is what it is. A school that kids from Iowa can attend at a lower cost than the private schools. The school admits most of it's applicants (81% admission rate). It's pretty much the same type of institutional mission as Temple, an accessible and affordable educational opportunity for the local community. Don't get on your high horse about Iowa academics here (especially not with fans from an elite school like Villanova lurking around)
Actually, Temple is in the top tier of Carnegie classifications for research universities, one of 115 universities in the country to attain that. As is Iowa.
Temple's mission from the beginning has been to serve the working-class and urban population. We sons and daughters (and grandsons and granddaughters) of immigrants are proud of our Temple education.
Don't disparage it, my friend. Owls are nasty when forced to defend the nest. Don't make me show my claws.
Hey, fake JHG: how elite can Evillainova be with whack jobs like Andrew Kennedy among its alumni?
Yep -- the period at the end of 722 makes all the difference. ncaaball strikes again.
Although the private-school-that-went-bankrupt was the line that did it for me. I didn't have to see the Vilenova = elite nonsense to know.
This is NOT Temple's JHG. His 722 does not have a period after the number.
OUR JHG posted the Baptist Temple picture. The troll from Villanova is the other guy.
In addition to such "illustrious" alumni as the notorious message board troll Andrew Kennedy, the "elite" Evillainova "University" awarded a doctorate to John du Pont, and also named its gymnasium in his honor. Who. you might ask, was John du Pont? Well, I'll tell you . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eleuthère_du_Pont
John DuPont?
This is a funny distinction between Nova and Temple.
The guy who donated a lot of money to Villanova for the gym is John DuPont. He was an eccentric billionaire who wanted to build a wrestling program. Nova wouldn't use the place for wrestling (like college football, we don't care about wrestling), so he backed out on the deal. He then killed a dude and held himself up in a tank. And Nova immediately took his name off the building. No big thing. Most Villanovans know nothing about the guy.
Temple's most famous alumni and trustee is Bill Cosby. For over a decade rumors swirled about Cosby raping girls. Yet he continued to rise up the Temple power structure. October 2015 the real stories broke. Temple refused to take him off their board of trustees until February 2016, and to this day Temple fans still defend him.
Shows the difference in the two schools. Nova got a check from an eccentric billionaire who went nuts and disassociated with him. Temple built their image around a rapist and refused to part ways even when the national media poured down on him.
This is a funny distinction between Nova and Temple.
The guy who donated a lot of money to Villanova for the gym is John DuPont. He was an eccentric billionaire who wanted to build a wrestling program. Nova wouldn't use the place for wrestling (like college football, we don't care about wrestling), so he backed out on the deal. He then killed a dude and held himself up in a tank. And Nova immediately took his name off the building. No big thing. Most Villanovans know nothing about the guy.
Temple's most famous alumni and trustee is Bill Cosby. For over a decade rumors swirled about Cosby raping girls. Yet he continued to rise up the Temple power structure. October 2015 the real stories broke. Temple refused to take him off their board of trustees until February 2016, and to this day Temple fans still defend him.
Shows the difference in the two schools. Nova got a check from an eccentric billionaire who went nuts and disassociated with him. Temple built their image around a rapist and refused to part ways even when the national media poured down on him.
JHG722 is the dude that was on the Army board a couple years ago before a Temple v. Army game. He told the Army fans that he hoped they get their heads cut off in Afghanistan. Not joking. He's a sick dude.
I think TempleBAPittMPA is stevie zipcode. Somebody found his youtube account and it had all sorts of beefcake workout women videos. Creepy dude.
I think TempleBAPittMPA is stevie zipcode. Somebody found his youtube account and it had all sorts of beefcake workout women videos. Creepy dude.
Let me get this straight. According to Mr. Kennedy, Evillainova deserves plaudits for removing the name of ole Johnny D (eccentric billionaire alumnus) from their gym AFTER trial. conviction, and sentencing, while Temple deserves to be pilloried for removing Cosby from any official capacity he had (alumni trustee) well before any charges were ever brought against him for actions that are, while highly probable, still ALLEGED. (We overlooked telling you that Mr, Kennedy has a law degree . . . but surprisingly, NOT from Evillainova. Not even they would admit him--perhaps they had seen enough of his act as an undergrad. No, instead Daddy bought him a sheepskin form a Massachusetts diploma mill.)
Let Bill have his day in court . . . just like Johnny had. (I think Montgomery County's finest ambulance chaser is upset that Bill didn't seek HIS services.)
Let Bill have his day in court . . . just like Johnny had. (I think Montgomery County's finest ambulance chaser is upset that Bill didn't seek HIS services.)
Yet another of Andrew's imaginary friends surfaces. I would advise your moderator to do some IP checking.
How many of those original night school students got mugged when they accidentally strayed 1 block off of campus?
In those days, none. Many of the original mansions that surrounded the campus were later donated to the university. Some of them are still fraternity houses today.
Here is a comment I wrote in response to a thread that is no longer here.
This will be a little long and, for that I apologize.
It's not that he's run out of schools. It's that many Evillainova fans take particular pleasure in taunting Temple. Andrew Kennedy (ncaaball with its various numbers, the Owl will never Die, jhg722. - with period, et al) takes great pleasure in making sure that we Temple fans can't come over here and have a nice conversation about basketball.
FTR, The Hawk Will never Die is St. Joe's phrase. Always has been, always will be. Temple doesn't use it. Never has. Never will. Easy way to spot an imposter.
There was a time when a lot of us rooted for all five of the Philly schools (Temple, St Joe, LaSalle, Penn and Nova) when they weren't playing our school. There was (and in many cases still is) a special bond among the schools -- going back to the time when a lot of the guys played against each other in high school and in the summer leagues. The coaches do Coaches vs. Cancer events together.
For me, that ended in 2004 when John Chaney did Nova a favor by scheduling a game at midnight the first day possible, so that Jay Wright could suspend the guys who were using illegal phone cards for a game against Division III Longwood (en route to Nova playing at the Chaminade tourney in Hawaii).
Fans on both sides were rowdy -- and Nova was winning, which was not unexpected. Some spoiled brat from the Main Line decided to throw a beer bottle at the head of Temple guard David Hawkins. As he was bringing the ball up the court.
From that point on, Nova was dead to me. I was no longer one of those fans.
Yeah, yeah ... officials stopped the game, the kid was thrown out, Jay Wright (who IS a pretty classy guy -- and I, for one, do NOT believe the rumors that he knocked up a soccer player) got on the speaker and scolded the Nova fans.
The fact is, since Villanova won the national championship in 1985, Temple has been to the tournament more times AND has reached the second weekend more times. You can look it up.
Oh, and as far as the neighborhood. Yes, Temple is distinctly urban. And, yes, when I went there 40 years ago, you couldn't go past certain streets.
That has been changing over the years. And now, real estate prices in the neighborhood have gone up 128% in the last eight years. Professors and young graduates are buying houses and living in the neighborhood. Businesses are moving up Broad Street and there are world-class restaurants and mom-and-pop barbeque places on the same block.
Neighborhoods to the east and west of Temple have become vibrant centers for the arts and that is moving toward Temple.Temple itself was just named to the top tier of the Carnegie classifications - where it joins fine universities such as Iowa.
Temple isn't for everyone -- if you want to go to a manicured lawn insulated bubble (where kids sell LSD out of the dorm), yeah, Nova is probably your meat. If you want to be in the middle of city that was just named a World Heritage Site and a top place to visit by Lonely Planet. Where you can have world-class museums (and get in free on certain days of the week), a city that is rebounding, then, yeah, Temple is probably the better place. A place where you can make your own mark -- then Temple is for you.
Again, I apologize for the length -- I was really looking forward to talking about Uthoff and asking about Uhl. I have friends who went to Penn with Fran McCaffrey and I used to live in DC near folks who worked for Senator Harkin, and Congressmen Nagle and Nussle. I wanted to talk Iowa butterfly chops.
But, with Andrew Kennedy hijacking every thread, a lot of the fun is gone. And it's not the fault of any of you Iowa fans.
This will be a little long and, for that I apologize.
It's not that he's run out of schools. It's that many Evillainova fans take particular pleasure in taunting Temple. Andrew Kennedy (ncaaball with its various numbers, the Owl will never Die, jhg722. - with period, et al) takes great pleasure in making sure that we Temple fans can't come over here and have a nice conversation about basketball.
FTR, The Hawk Will never Die is St. Joe's phrase. Always has been, always will be. Temple doesn't use it. Never has. Never will. Easy way to spot an imposter.
There was a time when a lot of us rooted for all five of the Philly schools (Temple, St Joe, LaSalle, Penn and Nova) when they weren't playing our school. There was (and in many cases still is) a special bond among the schools -- going back to the time when a lot of the guys played against each other in high school and in the summer leagues. The coaches do Coaches vs. Cancer events together.
For me, that ended in 2004 when John Chaney did Nova a favor by scheduling a game at midnight the first day possible, so that Jay Wright could suspend the guys who were using illegal phone cards for a game against Division III Longwood (en route to Nova playing at the Chaminade tourney in Hawaii).
Fans on both sides were rowdy -- and Nova was winning, which was not unexpected. Some spoiled brat from the Main Line decided to throw a beer bottle at the head of Temple guard David Hawkins. As he was bringing the ball up the court.
From that point on, Nova was dead to me. I was no longer one of those fans.
Yeah, yeah ... officials stopped the game, the kid was thrown out, Jay Wright (who IS a pretty classy guy -- and I, for one, do NOT believe the rumors that he knocked up a soccer player) got on the speaker and scolded the Nova fans.
The fact is, since Villanova won the national championship in 1985, Temple has been to the tournament more times AND has reached the second weekend more times. You can look it up.
Oh, and as far as the neighborhood. Yes, Temple is distinctly urban. And, yes, when I went there 40 years ago, you couldn't go past certain streets.
That has been changing over the years. And now, real estate prices in the neighborhood have gone up 128% in the last eight years. Professors and young graduates are buying houses and living in the neighborhood. Businesses are moving up Broad Street and there are world-class restaurants and mom-and-pop barbeque places on the same block.
Neighborhoods to the east and west of Temple have become vibrant centers for the arts and that is moving toward Temple.Temple itself was just named to the top tier of the Carnegie classifications - where it joins fine universities such as Iowa.
Temple isn't for everyone -- if you want to go to a manicured lawn insulated bubble (where kids sell LSD out of the dorm), yeah, Nova is probably your meat. If you want to be in the middle of city that was just named a World Heritage Site and a top place to visit by Lonely Planet. Where you can have world-class museums (and get in free on certain days of the week), a city that is rebounding, then, yeah, Temple is probably the better place. A place where you can make your own mark -- then Temple is for you.
Again, I apologize for the length -- I was really looking forward to talking about Uthoff and asking about Uhl. I have friends who went to Penn with Fran McCaffrey and I used to live in DC near folks who worked for Senator Harkin, and Congressmen Nagle and Nussle. I wanted to talk Iowa butterfly chops.
But, with Andrew Kennedy hijacking every thread, a lot of the fun is gone. And it's not the fault of any of you Iowa fans.
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Oh, one more thing ...when I as there, 40 years ago, Temple was a 89 percent commuter campus.
Now, it's just the opposite - about 85 percent of students either live in the dorms or in nearby apartments. And that's not counting the kids who live in a nearby neighborhood like East Falls and take the train or bus in every day.
Now, it's just the opposite - about 85 percent of students either live in the dorms or in nearby apartments. And that's not counting the kids who live in a nearby neighborhood like East Falls and take the train or bus in every day.
I don't know a lot about Iowa's academics but Temple is pretty good at what they do. They have a large undergraduate student body of average students. They are mostly middle class or lower and the school provides a pretty good value. It is mostly PA residents and many of them are commuters and part-time students. Temple has some good graduate programs that are several steps better than their undergrad. Temple is seen as a blue-collar-type school that provides opportunity to less-privileged people. It serves its role well in my opinion.
The only thing that I dislike about Temple is that there are a small group of obnoxious fans that try to pretend that Temple is something that it is not. They have recently developed a major inferiority complex by trying to compare themselves to Penn State. Guys like Michael Adelman (TempMike), Jeffrey Goldberg (JHG722) and that guys Steve Weinstein (?) are the worst.
So you hate Nova because one moron threw a bottle and because ncaaball is a compulsive troll? That seems a little bit extreme. Temple fans had to be warned twice for throwing objects on the court during the Temple/Villanova game this year.
Thank you for weighing in (pun completely intended) with your St. Joke's perspective.
No, FatPhilM. We all have a limited time on earth. I prefer to waste as little time as possible on anything Villanova-related. A conscious decision. If the Nova fans hate me and mine so much, why should I bother with them?
As far as this year, I don't know what happened. I don't go to Temple-Nova games anymore.
I don't want some little blonde snot stepping in my food (and her friend stepping in food of the people in front of me) as they walk over people to get into seats that are not theirs, as happened at that midnight game. (It was more than the bottle-throwing incident -- it was the culmination of the entire evening).
I just looked at the academic profiles of Temple and Iowa. Of the two, Temple appears more selective but Iowa has more talented students at the top. The top 25 percent score 700+ on their SAT math at Iowa. Almost nobody has scores like that at Temple. But Temple has somewhat higher verbal scores, at least at the lower end. 25% at Iowa score below a 460 in verbal.
I'd say the admission selectivity is pretty comparable. Iowa is ranked better but those rankings use some unreliable measures. Honestly, I expected a bigger difference. I knew an engineer who went to Illinois that was pretty bright. At the time I was surprised because I always thought of Illinois as a meathead, football school. I think those Midwestern state schools have a wider range of talent (some really good and some bad) than most eastern schools.
The best schools in the Northeast are generally small but there are other big ones that you missed. Rutgers has about 35,000 undergrads. UMass - Amherst has over 20,000 undergrads. UConn and Northeastern each have about 18,000 undergrads. Cornell and Syracuse each have about 15,000 undergrads. I'm sure I am missing some.
