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Will Jerry Nadler break his little hammer?

Yeah, because that’s exactly where the US is headed. :rolleyes:

Most people are tired of it because we are out there living our lives, working, raising our kids and enjoying what little downtime we actually have in busy day to day. These idiots in DC do not represent us. It’s not that we don’t care. But we’ve given up on both political sides that can’t do squat because they are too busy hating each other.

I sincerely hope that your kids have a good civics teacher. Because, the "not caring" part of your household will not uphold the U.S. household. I can agree that these folks in Congress on "a whole" don't represent us. But take action. Ask for term limits. Make every damn candidate make that promise and when when they don't do it, vote them out. Just don't sit back and say that I"m sick of these parties so...whatever....

And throw both parties in the fire, I don't care. We have a President who has violated his oath. I care.
 
Great contribution to the thread Rudolph.
Oh come on. This shit is absurd. Have you paid any attention to how the GOP treats their rounds of questioning?

Good, god, man.

Collins and Jordan are like professional hissy-fitters. Collins has made an art of nesting untrue shit in his questioning, then rebuffing witness attempts to correct the record.

Everything is about the GOP being victimized, about Trump being victimized. There is zero interest in anything other than impugning anybody who has anything pointing to wrongdoing by anybody, be it the president or anybody on his team.

Who cares if there was a movement afoot to impeach Trump from day one? Given his record as a businessman, his known shadiness with regard to Russia (and others), his refusal to honor the emoluments clause, his career of tax fraud, his campaign finance crap, and on and on. If Democrats nominate some shady money-laundering financial mess who lies about everything—for 40+ years—guess what, I expect, that is, I hope the GOP would consider the possible threats to the Constitution and act accordingly.

To my mind, Democrats gave Trump way too much rope as it is.

But whatever, man. Poor GOP.

This is the play, Shawn. GOP wants as many people to hate as much as possible about government so enough of us are simply resigned that government sucks, politicians suck, everything sucks that we just let the swamp be swampy. The entire production is about making people feel like nothing can be done, that we're powerless.

Imagine a court of law where a legal team introduces the idea that the proceedings are a sham every time they have something to voice, a question to ask, a point to make. The judge would hold them in contempt. Want to prove this is a sham? Force POTUS to stop obstructing, blocking subpoenaed documents, blocking testimony, doing his smear campaigning via tweet, etc.

Yeah all this shit is tiresome. Suck it up.
 
Oh come on. This shit is absurd. Have you paid any attention to how the GOP treats their rounds of questioning?

Good, god, man.

Collins and Jordan are like professional hissy-fitters. Collins has made an art of nesting untrue shit in his questioning, then rebuffing witness attempts to correct the record.

Everything is about the GOP being victimized, about Trump being victimized. There is zero interest in anything other than impugning anybody who has anything pointing to wrongdoing by anybody, be it the president or anybody on his team.

Who cares if there was a movement afoot to impeach Trump from day one? Given his record as a businessman, his known shadiness with regard to Russia (and others), his refusal to honor the emoluments clause, his career of tax fraud, his campaign finance crap, and on and on. If Democrats nominate some shady money-laundering financial mess who lies about everything—for 40+ years—guess what, I expect, that is, I hope the GOP would consider the possible threats to the Constitution and act accordingly.

To my mind, Democrats gave Trump way too much rope as it is.

But whatever, man. Poor GOP.

This is the play, Shawn. GOP wants as many people to hate as much as possible about government so enough of us are simply resigned that government sucks, politicians suck, everything sucks that we just let the swamp be swampy. The entire production is about making people feel like nothing can be done, that we're powerless.

Imagine a court of law where a legal team introduces the idea that the proceedings are a sham every time they have something to voice, a question to ask, a point to make. The judge would hold them in contempt. Want to prove this is a sham? Force POTUS to stop obstructing, blocking subpoenaed documents, blocking testimony, doing his smear campaigning via tweet, etc.

Yeah all this shit is tiresome. Suck it up.

The difference between you and me is that you think your side is good and the other side is bad. I think both sides are equally bad.
 
I have no idea what the actual rules are, and I doubt if you are, and it's clear Nadler isn't.

But you have to admit, having a guy as a witness and then bringing him up to ask questions of other witnesses seems a little odd.

What seems odd about it? Was Berke even questioned or did he just give an opening statement.
 
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The difference between you and me is that you think your side is good and the other side is bad. I think both sides are equally bad.
Wrong. The difference is I haven't given into the debilitating urge to just throw my hands up and decide, welp, both sides equally bad, so it is what it is.

False equivalency is a bad habit, Shawn.

If you can find one single post where I actually claim Democrats are good I will buy you dinner and drinks. I realize the search function seems broken, but I bet if you think about it, you will have a hard time imagining me even saying such a thing.

That said, the fact that Republicans/Conservatives have sold their soul to the extent that they are bending over backwards for Donald J. Trump is pretty alarming. Donald Trump. Why?

We're talking about Donald Trump. We supposedly all abhor the self-dealing in DC. The corrupted exercise of governance. The avoidance of accountability for wrongdoing, often brazen wrongdoing. The arrogant elitist attitude that laws are only for the peons.

And yet, the best example of corruption, of fraud, of self-dealing, of grift, of blatant, disrespectful dishonesty, of avoidance of accountability, of arrogance of I'm-rich-you're-not-I-can-do-anything… yep, this is the guy Rs are propping up. For what?

Want to know what set the stage for this? A four-decades now beautifully-executed long-game strategy to create a Right wing media complex that delivered messaging like only the most well-managed brands. Perfect consistency, rooted in emotion, day after day after day, never deviate, never waiver, all day every day. Why does it work? Because America is a consumerist culture. We've been lab-ratted to death on how to have products and services sold to us, what works and what doesn't in terms of branded messaging. And Rs have leveraged this incredibly well. Conservative voices in today's world who deviate from the normative messaging are ostracized quickly and efficiently.

Liberals suck at this new game, playing catch-up now is embarrassing, actually. Obama's campaigning might be the only anomaly. He was good. But the liberal/progressive "brand" is, by contrast, incredibly watered down. There are factions within factions within factions. And those of us on the ground, everyday liberals, like this—even as we understand it is self-defeating in today's political game. We like differences of opinion, truth-seeking, challenging assumptions including our own. All kinds of psychological studies of characteristics that lead people towards one end of the ideological spectrum or the other reinforce this.

Shawn I've said this many times—I was glad Trump won. I wanted the wake-up call for both Liberalism and Conservatism. I did not foresee that this country would have so many continue to defend, with fealty, Donald Trump. Vote for him versus Hillary? Fine. But the nepotism, the grift, the revelation after revelation of what a fraudulent, corrupt, opaque, dishonest, incurious, unethical, POS buffoon of a man, the self-dealing, the everything-we're-supposed-to-hate-about-people-and-politics, man, Shawn, I didn't expect three years into Trump putting this on display, unwaveringly, every day, that an entire party would basically hold his dick. This guy is obstructing everything he can in regards to anything unflattering or damaging to him. He paid off or threatened or both pretty much everybody in his entire damn life, be it a porn star or a school administrator or an author of one of his books or a journalist, surely an ex-wife or two, and if he can't buy or threaten someone, he smears them.

And you allow it, because you maintain a blanket equivalency.
 
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What seems odd about it? Was Berke even questioned or did he just give an opening statement.
Nadler couldn't make up his mind whether Berke was a witness or not. At one point, he said Berke was a witness, and thus was not bound by House rules of behavior, specifically regarding casting aspersions on individuals. Later, when he was asked why he didn't put Berke under oath before he testified, Nadler said it was because only witnesses were sworn, and Berke wasn't a witness. Then the next we saw of Berke, he was cross-examining on behalf of the committee Democrats. Later yet, after it was brought out that he had given over $100,000 to Democratic politicians, Berke just disappeared.
 
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Nadler couldn't make up his mind whether Berke was a witness or not. At one point, he said Berke was a witness, and thus was not bound by House rules of behavior, specifically regarding casting aspersions on individuals. Later, when he was asked why he didn't put Berke under oath before he testified, Nadler said it was because only witnesses were sworn, and Berke wasn't a witness. Then the next we saw of Berke, he was cross-examining on behalf of the committee Democrats. Later yet, after it was brought out that he had given over $100,000 to Democratic politicians, Berke just disappeared.

So, nothing fundamentally wrong, just Nadler being inconsistent?

Are you trying to imply that they pulled Berke because people found out he donated to Democrats?
 
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So, nothing fundamentally wrong, just Nadler being inconsistent?

Are you trying to imply that they pulled Berke because people found out he donated to Democrats?

Not implying anything. Saying that's what it looked like to me.
 
Wrong. The difference is I haven't given into the debilitating urge to just throw my hands up and decide, welp, both sides equally bad, so it is what it is.

False equivalency is a bad habit, Shawn.

If you can find one single post where I actually claim Democrats are good I will buy you dinner and drinks. I realize the search function seems broken, but I bet if you think about it, you will have a hard time imagining me even saying such a thing.

That said, the fact that Republicans/Conservatives have sold their soul to the extent that they are bending over backwards for Donald J. Trump is pretty alarming. Donald Trump. Why?

We're talking about Donald Trump. We supposedly all abhor the self-dealing in DC. The corrupted exercise of governance. The avoidance of accountability for wrongdoing, often brazen wrongdoing. The arrogant elitist attitude that laws are only for the peons.

And yet, the best example of corruption, of fraud, of self-dealing, of grift, of blatant, disrespectful dishonesty, of avoidance of accountability, of arrogance of I'm-rich-you're-not-I-can-do-anything… yep, this is the guy Rs are propping up. For what?

Want to know what set the stage for this? A four-decades now beautifully-executed long-game strategy to create a Right wing media complex that delivered messaging like only the most well-managed brands. Perfect consistency, rooted in emotion, day after day after day, never deviate, never waiver, all day every day. Why does it work? Because America is a consumerist culture. We've been lab-ratted to death on how to have products and services sold to us, what works and what doesn't in terms of branded messaging. And Rs have leveraged this incredibly well. Conservative voices in today's world who deviate from the normative messaging are ostracized quickly and efficiently.

Liberals suck at this new game, playing catch-up now is embarrassing, actually. Obama's campaigning might be the only anomaly. He was good. But the liberal/progressive "brand" is, by contrast, incredibly watered down. There are factions within factions within factions. And those of us on the ground, everyday liberals, like this—even as we understand it is self-defeating in today's political game. We like differences of opinion, truth-seeking, challenging assumptions including our own. All kinds of psychological studies of characteristics that lead people towards one end of the ideological spectrum or the other reinforce this.

Shawn I've said this many times—I was glad Trump won. I wanted the wake-up call for both Liberalism and Conservatism. I did not foresee that this country would have so many continue to defend, with fealty, Donald Trump. Vote for him versus Hillary? Fine. But the nepotism, the grift, the revelation after revelation of what a fraudulent, corrupt, opaque, dishonest, incurious, unethical, POS buffoon of a man, the self-dealing, the everything-we're-supposed-to-hate-about-people-and-politics, man, Shawn, I didn't expect three years into Trump putting this on display, unwaveringly, every day, that an entire party would basically hold his dick. This guy is obstructing everything he can in regards to anything unflattering or damaging to him. He paid off or threatened or both pretty much everybody in his entire damn life, be it a porn star or a school administrator or an author of one of his books or a journalist, surely an ex-wife or two, and if he can't buy or threaten someone, he smears them.

And you allow it, because you maintain a blanket equivalency.

RIP @HawkeyeShawn
 
Some douche from FL really got to the important stuff. That guy was a New York lawyer. We haven't heard from the whistleblower.

Is a New York lawyer a dog whistle for jewish? I have no idea of that guy is jewish or not.
 
Some douche from FL really got to the important stuff. That guy was a New York lawyer. We haven't heard from the whistleblower.

Is a New York lawyer a dog whistle for jewish? I have no idea of that guy is jewish or not.

BAU for the tolerant right.
 
Wrong. The difference is I haven't given into the debilitating urge to just throw my hands up and decide, welp, both sides equally bad, so it is what it is.

False equivalency is a bad habit, Shawn.

If you can find one single post where I actually claim Democrats are good I will buy you dinner and drinks. I realize the search function seems broken, but I bet if you think about it, you will have a hard time imagining me even saying such a thing.

That said, the fact that Republicans/Conservatives have sold their soul to the extent that they are bending over backwards for Donald J. Trump is pretty alarming. Donald Trump. Why?

We're talking about Donald Trump. We supposedly all abhor the self-dealing in DC. The corrupted exercise of governance. The avoidance of accountability for wrongdoing, often brazen wrongdoing. The arrogant elitist attitude that laws are only for the peons.

And yet, the best example of corruption, of fraud, of self-dealing, of grift, of blatant, disrespectful dishonesty, of avoidance of accountability, of arrogance of I'm-rich-you're-not-I-can-do-anything… yep, this is the guy Rs are propping up. For what?

Want to know what set the stage for this? A four-decades now beautifully-executed long-game strategy to create a Right wing media complex that delivered messaging like only the most well-managed brands. Perfect consistency, rooted in emotion, day after day after day, never deviate, never waiver, all day every day. Why does it work? Because America is a consumerist culture. We've been lab-ratted to death on how to have products and services sold to us, what works and what doesn't in terms of branded messaging. And Rs have leveraged this incredibly well. Conservative voices in today's world who deviate from the normative messaging are ostracized quickly and efficiently.

Liberals suck at this new game, playing catch-up now is embarrassing, actually. Obama's campaigning might be the only anomaly. He was good. But the liberal/progressive "brand" is, by contrast, incredibly watered down. There are factions within factions within factions. And those of us on the ground, everyday liberals, like this—even as we understand it is self-defeating in today's political game. We like differences of opinion, truth-seeking, challenging assumptions including our own. All kinds of psychological studies of characteristics that lead people towards one end of the ideological spectrum or the other reinforce this.

Shawn I've said this many times—I was glad Trump won. I wanted the wake-up call for both Liberalism and Conservatism. I did not foresee that this country would have so many continue to defend, with fealty, Donald Trump. Vote for him versus Hillary? Fine. But the nepotism, the grift, the revelation after revelation of what a fraudulent, corrupt, opaque, dishonest, incurious, unethical, POS buffoon of a man, the self-dealing, the everything-we're-supposed-to-hate-about-people-and-politics, man, Shawn, I didn't expect three years into Trump putting this on display, unwaveringly, every day, that an entire party would basically hold his dick. This guy is obstructing everything he can in regards to anything unflattering or damaging to him. He paid off or threatened or both pretty much everybody in his entire damn life, be it a porn star or a school administrator or an author of one of his books or a journalist, surely an ex-wife or two, and if he can't buy or threaten someone, he smears them.

And you allow it, because you maintain a blanket equivalency.

I’ve said numerous times here on HROT that I wish the Dems would impeach Trump. America deserves better. My comment on this thread was what a sh*t show I was watching. I watched 30 minutes over my lunch hour. I now know why I will not watch again. The Dems are using this as a stage and spectacle. It’s an embarrassing waste of their time. They aren’t going to impeach him. They handed this completely the wrong way. Instead of working with the Republicans from the get go, they spent the last 3 years spitting in their faces. And now they expect cooperation? It’s a freaking circle jerk by both parties.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care. What I said was most American’s are tired of this. Tired of both sides. Tired of the constant fighting between both sides. Yes, Trump is responsible. Yes, trump is corrupt. That doesn’t mean that the Dems need to sink to his level. Instead, IMO, they’ve gone just as far off the deep end as he has with how they are acting. I’ve begged over and over again for the Dems to roll out a quality candidate to get trump out of office in 2020. IMO, Biden, Warren and Sanders are not the right candidates. Also my opinion, the Dems have gone so far left that they’ve lost middle america.

You might not have said Dems are good, Republicans are bad in a post, but you certainly wear your party allegiance on your sleeve. I’ve had enough interactions with you to know. It’s real easy for the liberals on this board to lump me in with the Republicans. It happens all the time. Admittedly, I am a former Republican. I am more of an independent now that ever before in my life. I did not vote Republican in 2016 or 2018 for the first time ever. The Republicans have abandoned people like me. I don’t have a party that truly represents my views. The two-party system is broken.
 
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I’ve said numerous times here on HROT that I wish the Dems would impeach Trump. America deserves better. My comment on this thread was what a sh*t show I was watching. I watched 30 minutes over my lunch hour. I now know why I will not watch again. The Dems are using this as a stage and spectacle. It’s an embarrassing waste of their time. They aren’t going to impeach him. They handed this completely the wrong way. Instead of working with the Republicans from the get go, they spent the last 3 years spitting in their faces. And now they expect cooperation? It’s a freaking circle jerk by both parties.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care. What I said was most American’s are tired of this. Tired of both sides. Tired of the constant fighting between both sides. Yes, Trump is responsible. Yes, trump is corrupt. That doesn’t mean that the Dems need to sink to his level. Instead, IMO, they’ve gone just as far off the deep end as he has with how they are acting. I’ve begged over and over again for the Dems to roll out a quality candidate to get trump out of office in 2020. IMO, Biden, Warren and Sanders are not the right candidates. Also my opinion, the Dems have gone so far left that they’ve lost middle america.

You might not have said Dems are good, Republicans are bad in a post, but you certainly wear your party allegiance on your sleeve. I’ve had enough interactions with you to know. It’s real easy for the liberals on this board to lump me in with the Republicans. It happens all the time. Admittedly, I am a former Republican. I am more of an independent now that ever before in my life. I did not vote Republican in 2016 or 2018 for the first time ever. The Republicans have abandoned people like me. I don’t have a party that truly represents my views. The two-party system is broken.
I tried that in 2016. Didn’t work. I think at this point we have to choose. Either you’re with Trump or you’re “Anybody but Trump.” I’m in the ABT camp in 2020. How about you?
 
Also my opinion, the Dems have gone so far left that they’ve lost middle america.

That isn't remotely true. The democrats have been under the control of the third way democrats since 92. Which are free market capitalists and are socially progressive when it is politically advantageous.

Go ahead and do some poll research on progressive positions. You will find them to be favorable in most polls.

The "middle" is a collective of apathetic people that just want the status quo and establishment to do their thing. They would be the sports equivilent of some person cheering for a tie. I find it bizarre how many people are currently claiming the middle so hard. My suspicion is that it was intentionally placed in people's minds.

A real "middle" should represent the majority of people's wills and not the compromises of establishment politicians.
 
I’ve said numerous times here on HROT that I wish the Dems would impeach Trump. America deserves better. My comment on this thread was what a sh*t show I was watching. I watched 30 minutes over my lunch hour. I now know why I will not watch again. The Dems are using this as a stage and spectacle. It’s an embarrassing waste of their time. They aren’t going to impeach him. They handed this completely the wrong way. Instead of working with the Republicans from the get go, they spent the last 3 years spitting in their faces. And now they expect cooperation? It’s a freaking circle jerk by both parties.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care. What I said was most American’s are tired of this. Tired of both sides. Tired of the constant fighting between both sides. Yes, Trump is responsible. Yes, trump is corrupt. That doesn’t mean that the Dems need to sink to his level. Instead, IMO, they’ve gone just as far off the deep end as he has with how they are acting. I’ve begged over and over again for the Dems to roll out a quality candidate to get trump out of office in 2020. IMO, Biden, Warren and Sanders are not the right candidates. Also my opinion, the Dems have gone so far left that they’ve lost middle america.

You might not have said Dems are good, Republicans are bad in a post, but you certainly wear your party allegiance on your sleeve. I’ve had enough interactions with you to know. It’s real easy for the liberals on this board to lump me in with the Republicans. It happens all the time. Admittedly, I am a former Republican. I am more of an independent now that ever before in my life. I did not vote Republican in 2016 or 2018 for the first time ever. The Republicans have abandoned people like me. I don’t have a party that truly represents my views. The two-party system is broken.
Okay, if Dems are making a spectacle of this, how would you describe Reps in these hearings?

It's as though you think there was some perfect time or place to do this? And you think Dems are to blame for being uncooperative? For the love of god, they're playing this thing by the damn rules that were established. Period. Make up new rules? Yeah, real hard to see how that would work out. Lol.

Man, Shawn. I could unpack this last post further but I got wings to eat. Utterly amazing how everything remains the fault of the Dems, though. Just amazing.
 
That isn't remotely true. The democrats have been under the control of the third way democrats since 92. Which are free market capitalists and are socially progressive when it is politically advantageous.

Go ahead and do some poll research on progressive positions. You will find them to be favorable in most polls.

The "middle" is a collective of apathetic people that just want the status quo and establishment to do their thing. They would be the sports equivilent of some person cheering for a tie. I find it bizarre how many people are currently claiming the middle so hard. My suspicion is that it was intentionally placed in people's minds.

A real "middle" should represent the majority of people's wills and not the compromises of establishment politicians.
The middle is what becomes appealing to people who have been messaged to death that the Left has gone full socialist/communist. Never mind that the most extreme Leftist policy ideas are milquetoast New Deal stuff—the foundation-building affording boomers their oversize homes and oversize cars and comfy nest eggs. And this is the shit that even establishment Dems are trying to avoid.

Lol. Crazy, right? Again, this is the story of an amazing example of branded messaging, a model of consistency and purity of message.
 
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Yes, trump is corrupt. That doesn’t mean that the Dems need to sink to his level. Instead, IMO, they’ve gone just as far off the deep end as he has with how they are acting.

Let me know when you can establish any proof, what-so-ever, that they tried to use their POTUS power to withhold funds that were Congressionally approved for military support of a NATO ally. Let me know when the Congressional Dems have tried to bribe the President of a young Democratic country that is at war with Russia.

Seriously.....just stop while you are behind.
 
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Oh come on. This shit is absurd. Have you paid any attention to how the GOP treats their rounds of questioning?

Good, god, man.

Collins and Jordan are like professional hissy-fitters. Collins has made an art of nesting untrue shit in his questioning, then rebuffing witness attempts to correct the record.

Everything is about the GOP being victimized, about Trump being victimized. There is zero interest in anything other than impugning anybody who has anything pointing to wrongdoing by anybody, be it the president or anybody on his team.

Who cares if there was a movement afoot to impeach Trump from day one? Given his record as a businessman, his known shadiness with regard to Russia (and others), his refusal to honor the emoluments clause, his career of tax fraud, his campaign finance crap, and on and on. If Democrats nominate some shady money-laundering financial mess who lies about everything—for 40+ years—guess what, I expect, that is, I hope the GOP would consider the possible threats to the Constitution and act accordingly.

To my mind, Democrats gave Trump way too much rope as it is.

But whatever, man. Poor GOP.

This is the play, Shawn. GOP wants as many people to hate as much as possible about government so enough of us are simply resigned that government sucks, politicians suck, everything sucks that we just let the swamp be swampy. The entire production is about making people feel like nothing can be done, that we're powerless.

Imagine a court of law where a legal team introduces the idea that the proceedings are a sham every time they have something to voice, a question to ask, a point to make. The judge would hold them in contempt. Want to prove this is a sham? Force POTUS to stop obstructing, blocking subpoenaed documents, blocking testimony, doing his smear campaigning via tweet, etc.

Yeah all this shit is tiresome. Suck it up.

Preach it brother, my thoughts exactly.
 
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Okay, if Dems are making a spectacle of this, how would you describe Reps in these hearings?

It's as though you think there was some perfect time or place to do this? And you think Dems are to blame for being uncooperative? For the love of god, they're playing this thing by the damn rules that were established. Period. Make up new rules? Yeah, real hard to see how that would work out. Lol.

Man, Shawn. I could unpack this last post further but I got wings to eat. Utterly amazing how everything remains the fault of the Dems, though. Just amazing.


Republicans are equally pathetic. However, this debacle was started by the Democrats. So yes, I’m laying the majority of the blame on them right now. When they have a chance to rise above what the Republicans have become, they’ve decided to stoop to their childish level.
 
Not even close. Not to get all Joe Biden here, but I have no doubt I could handle an insecure troll like you, cupcake.
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Republicans are equally pathetic. However, this debacle was started by the Democrats. So yes, I’m laying the majority of the blame on them right now. When they have a chance to rise above what the Republicans have become, they’ve decided to stoop to their childish level.
Rise above by ignoring Trump’s conduct? How is it childish to try to enforce some minimal standards on the president? Basic stuff...like don’t conspire with a foreign government to damage a political opponent.

Congress is a coequal branch of government but half of them are acting like they are in the Trump Administration. And like Rudolph said, for what? For Donald Trump? To own the libs?

Makes no sense.
 
Republicans are equally pathetic. However, this debacle was started by the Democrats. So yes, I’m laying the majority of the blame on them right now. When they have a chance to rise above what the Republicans have become, they’ve decided to stoop to their childish level.
You said earlier in this thread that you wish the Democrats would impeach Trump. How do you propose they do so without having these hearings? How should the Democrats behave when the Republicans bring up conspiracy theories that have been proven false? What exactly should the Democrats be doing differently in your opinion? One last question, what do you mean when you say this debacle was started by the Democrats?
 
Rise above by ignoring Trump’s conduct? How is it childish to try to enforce some minimal standards on the president? Basic stuff...like don’t conspire with a foreign government to damage a political opponent.

Congress is a coequal branch of government but half of them are acting like they are in the Trump Administration. And like Rudolph said, for what? For Donald Trump? To own the libs?

Makes no sense.
The hostility many feel for our gov is underestimated IMHO.

When the left wants to give free health care to illegals, free college, etc., they dig in even harder. This is far more than Trump.
 
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Republicans are equally pathetic. However, this debacle was started by the Democrats. So yes, I’m laying the majority of the blame on them right now. When they have a chance to rise above what the Republicans have become, they’ve decided to stoop to their childish level.
Explain. How are the Ds to “rise above” when, literally, checks and balances and election security are in the balance? You know. Constitution type shit.
 
You said earlier in this thread that you wish the Democrats would impeach Trump. How do you propose they do so without having these hearings? How should the Democrats behave when the Republicans bring up conspiracy theories that have been proven false? What exactly should the Democrats be doing differently in your opinion? One last question, what do you mean when you say this debacle was started by the Democrats?

From the way Schiff handled the whistle blower to the conduct in the hearing that I witnessed today. The Dems need to act like the adults in the room.

The Dems started this with setting out to try and impeach a trump from day 1. The Dems started this impeachment show knowing full well the won’t have the votes to impeach. That’s why I say it’s just a show, a spectacle. They still don’t think they can beat Trump on Election Day. So they using this to try and gain an advantage in the 2020 election. Schiff said so himself. He went home over the break to see what the pulse of the public was.

And you could say that ultimately the Dems started all of this mess in 2016 when they rigged their own nomination to go to Hills. It’s been sour grapes since then. Dems now tell others to “eat sh*t” on this board. Dems are calling large groups of people Nazis, racists and traitors. This has now become a game to both sides. It’s ridiculous.
 
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Collins and Jordan have a lot of bad karma coming their way.

Hahaha! If that is even remotely true then Schiff is in a world of trouble :). That man is the most vile, partisan, humorless, freaky faced party hack I have ever seen in my decades of political observation. AINEC.
 
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