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It would be interesting if the Press-Citizen or The Gazette or Dochterman with The Athletic would contact that official in the video* and ask him to explain himself. What, exactly, did he start to do just before that fateful first-down snap from the three, and why did he stop?

(*If you haven't seen the video, it's in this thread: "Ferentz Ran On Field To Call Timeout During Stanley INT.")

Did he see KF and staff signaling for a time out, start to call it, and then change his mind? Or what?

It's a moot point now, of course, but I'm really, really curious what the ref's explanation would be after someone showed him that video. And this is one more reason why refs should have to meet the media after games just like players and coaches do.

Eighteen- to 22-year-old college players have to explain what they did or didn't do. It defies explanation that adult referees keep getting a free pass.
 
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Yeah, great idea. Interview the refs. Here are the 4 choices of answers.

1. I saw KF signal for a TO, but he was too late.
2. I saw KF signal for a TO, but decided not to blow the whistle. Sorry!
3. I saw KF signal for a TO, but I thought he might be waving to the crowd!
4. I saw KF signal for a TO, but I had $50 on PSU, so I said f*ck it.

Anyone one of those make you feel better?
 
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I could be wrong, but I thought refs were graded by the Big Ten office. Pretty sure coaches can protest bad calls with the Big Ten after the game. Won't change the outcome but at least coach can point out the screw-up.

I've seen some lousy officiating in the Big Ten, fans in most other conferences probably say the same.

There is bias toward some teams with some officials, and calls tend to go for a home team's loud noise. Replay helps, it's not as bad as it used to be.

College football refs get paid for the game plus expenses. It's not their full-time job like major league baseball umpires with their own union.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
Anyone one of those make you feel better?
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Yes, but maybe that's just me. Have you seen the video? Wouldn't you like to see the ref put on the spot and try to explain what the hell he was doing? Players have to answer, and they're not full-time pros either, and most of them never will be. (BTW, is that ref your dad?)

The ref looks to the sideline, then he leans and looks to the sideline again, puts his whistle in his mouth, raises his arms as if to signal time out, then suddenly stops. The ball is snapped and the INT happens. So yah, I'd like to have an explanation, smart ass.
 
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My personal opinion is that the coaching staff (or any player on the field) should have been calling for a timeout well before there were only 2 seconds on the play clock.

However, I still believe that KF got the timeout signaled in time, and we were absolutely hosed by an official that looked as clueless as Stanley did all game.

Of course, there will be absolutely nothing to come of this, because KF is too upstanding of a guy to start bashing on the officials, and the B1G office is pretty much unapologetic about anything they screw up.
 
Due to human reaction time, KF (I assume KF) had to have been calling the time out prior the ref making any noticeable movement, so yeah, it was a big miss on the ref’s part. I assume a timeout was attempted by the Iowa coaching staff well before the ball was snapped.
 
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I hope technology in the future removes all human officiating. Every movement of every play will be analyzed from dozens of angles by a vast network of cameras and fed into a powerful computer. The computer cannot be subjective. Each rule is coded in detail and any leeway in any rule is decided by an elected panel. Bad calls or no calls simply won’t happen anymore.
 
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Watching a NFL game yesterday and the offense completed a pass but the coach called a timeout and the officials came in and called the play dead so the pass never happened.
 
Kinnick.At.Night said:
I hope technology in the future removes all human officiating. Every movement of every play will be analyzed from dozens of angles by a vast network of cameras and fed into a powerful computer. The computer cannot be subjective. Each rule is coded in detail and any leeway in any rule is decided by an elected panel. Bad calls or no calls simply won’t happen anymore.
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I heard there's a company called SkyNet that's developing this technology, as well as many others that will be very beneficial to the human race.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
4. I saw KF signal for a TO, but I had $50 on PSU, so I said f*ck it.

Anyone one of those make you feel better?
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Yes actually because one of those means we get the game thrown out on account of corrupt officiating. :)

And also because we can throw that in everyone's faces when they try to mock Iowa for losing.
 
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OILCHECKER said:
There’s no rule that says players have to answer questions or be interviewed.
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That may be the case, but it’s obviously customary for them to be available to the media, and reporters would object strenuously if there were no players to interview.

I’m not aware of any rules that say refs can’t be interviewed. Does anyone know if any such rule exists?
 
aristotleiowa said:
Yes, but maybe that's just me. Have you seen the video? Wouldn't you like to see the ref put on the spot and try to explain what the hell he was doing? Players have to answer, and they're not full-time pros either, and most of them never will be. (BTW, is that ref your dad?)

The ref looks to the sideline, then he leans and looks to the sideline again, puts his whistle in his mouth, raises his arms as if to signal time out, then suddenly stops. The ball is snapped and the INT happens. So yah, I'd like to have an explanation, smart ass.
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There is no explanation that would help. It's over. Interviewing refs would have no other purposes than finding blame.

But, maybe insulting me will help too.
 
Kinnick.At.Night said:
I hope technology in the future removes all human officiating. Every movement of every play will be analyzed from dozens of angles by a vast network of cameras and fed into a powerful computer. The computer cannot be subjective. Each rule is coded in detail and any leeway in any rule is decided by an elected panel. Bad calls or no calls simply won’t happen anymore.
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Sounds like a penalty every play, since we all know holding happens every play.
 
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Hawk_4shur said:
There is no explanation that would help. It's over. Interviewing refs would have no other purposes than finding blame.

But, maybe insulting me will help too.
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Not to sound like a Richard, but a purpose would be accountability. Yes, we shoulda, coulda, woulda, but you are talking about a decision (yes, there were many) that likely had a significant effect on the outcome of a game. Yes, in the end, it's a game and doesn't matter greatly in our lives, but we all know there are massive financial implications, etc. on it.
I've played the "we didn't deserve to win because x, y, and z" game all week, but fact of the matter is, we could quite possibly have done just enough to win that game--and PSU can play that same "we didn't deserve" game--and that officials inaction was the deciding factor. We pull that out and we're very likely still in the CFP discussion which we all know the $$$ behind that. Not to mention it effecting our holiday travel plans as fans:)
 
LarryMullenJr. said:
Not to sound like a Richard, but a purpose would be accountability. Yes, we shoulda, coulda, woulda, but you are talking about a decision (yes, there were many) that likely had a significant effect on the outcome of a game. Yes, in the end, it's a game and doesn't matter greatly in our lives, but we all know there are massive financial implications, etc. on it.
I've played the "we didn't deserve to win because x, y, and z" game all week, but fact of the matter is, we could quite possibly have done just enough to win that game--and PSU can play that same "we didn't deserve" game--and that officials inaction was the deciding factor. We pull that out and we're very likely still in the CFP discussion which we all know the $$$ behind that. Not to mention it effecting our holiday travel plans as fans:)
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I think we have to trust that the refs are being held accountable by the league or their supervisors - maybe they are not, which is a different problem. I just don't think putting the refs into a press conference helps the game in anyway.

Seriously, we know from the game film that KF was calling a TO. We know the ref saw it. So, there is really only 2 possible answers - 1. KF was late, or #2. I screwed up. And, I'll bet any amount of money that the answer will be #1.

Yes, referee calls are a huge part of the game, and the games are very important. But, putting the refs in front of a microphone is just going to bring more controversy and angst to a game that's already been played.
 
This doesn't make any sense. Do you guys not remember established history according to posters on on the PSU board? Big Ten refs are only out to get PSU, not help them.

But, this is a prime example of why I would like to get rid of coaches having the ability to call timeout. The refs already have too much going on to monitor as it is. Why not remove them having to keep an eye on the sideline for a coach calling TO and make their job easier?

I never liked coaches in basketball having the ability to call live ball TOs either. Thankfully they mostly got rid of that at the NCAA level a few years ago.
 
MeetTheFerentz said:
My personal opinion is that the coaching staff (or any player on the field) should have been calling for a timeout well before there were only 2 seconds on the play clock.

However, I still believe that KF got the timeout signaled in time, and we were absolutely hosed by an official that looked as clueless as Stanley did all game.

Of course, there will be absolutely nothing to come of this, because KF is too upstanding of a guy to start bashing on the officials, and the B1G office is pretty much unapologetic about anything they screw up.
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Why would they have called it sooner? If Stanley doesn't choose to change the play there is no time issue
 
hawkssox1 said:
Blaming the officials for the loss is ludicrous at best.
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So in the game when the officials let a team fun 5 plays instead of 4 from the goal line, you can't blame the officials for the loss? We understand officials can't see everything and make some bad calls or miss some calls, BUT when officials don't handle the 'administrative' aspects of the game, then yes, they can be responsible for wins and loses.
 
cheerscoach said:
So in the game when the officials let a team fun 5 plays instead of 4 from the goal line, you can't blame the officials for the loss? We understand officials can't see everything and make some bad calls or miss some calls, BUT when officials don't handle the 'administrative' aspects of the game, then yes, they can be responsible for wins and loses.
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Sounds like "fun".
 
aristotleiowa said:
It would be interesting if the Press-Citizen or The Gazette or Dochterman with The Athletic would contact that official in the video* and ask him to explain himself. What, exactly, did he start to do just before that fateful first-down snap from the three, and why did he stop?

(*If you haven't seen the video, it's in this thread: "Ferentz Ran On Field To Call Timeout During Stanley INT.")

Did he see KF and staff signaling for a time out, start to call it, and then change his mind? Or what?

It's a moot point now, of course, but I'm really, really curious what the ref's explanation would be after someone showed him that video. And this is one more reason why refs should have to meet the media after games just like players and coaches do.

Eighteen- to 22-year-old college players have to explain what they did or didn't do. It defies explanation that adult referees keep getting a free pass.
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here is the video of the ref

 
Is there an official designated to watch for coaches and possible timeouts or does that distract them from the field too much?
 
Kinnick.At.Night said:
I hope technology in the future removes all human officiating. Every movement of every play will be analyzed from dozens of angles by a vast network of cameras and fed into a powerful computer. The computer cannot be subjective. Each rule is coded in detail and any leeway in any rule is decided by an elected panel. Bad calls or no calls simply won’t happen anymore.
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Buckle up for some long games, they could probably call holding on every play.
 
Hawk_4shur said:
There is no explanation that would help. It's over. Interviewing refs would have no other purposes than finding blame.

But, maybe insulting me will help too.
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I have never seen refs be interviewed days after a game. Just doesn't happen. I could be wrong, but it could be that the conferences don't allow them to be. And I don't blame them. It would be a never-ending string of interviews about "why did you call holding on that play, why didn't you on that play? Why did you not call timeout? Why did you call pass interference?

I have seen a pool reporter (meaning one reporter representing the entire media at the game) allowed to talk to MLB umpires or a football ref after a game. But it's right after the game. But it would be going down a very slippery slope if reporters were interviewing refs after every game throughout the week. The basketball ref (I don't remember who) was threatened by Kentucky fans and his business hit with negative reviews by upset Kentucky fans. Yes, we need more of that.

There is a process in place for refs to be judged by the conference. I saw a story recently that nearly 1/3 of the NFL refs were removed over the past few years due to what was deemed poor performance. I don't know what the numbers are in college, but the Big 10 does get rid of its worst refs. Not to be the old complaining guy, but there's a reason that officiating at all levels is getting worse, it's due to not as many people starting out reffing at the lower levels and working their way up. Nearly all refs start in youth leagues somewhere, and that is a cesspool that quickly ends reffing careers. Getting yelled at by parents of 10 or 12 year olds who don't know the rules and when you're getting paid peanuts is enough to make most refs quit. If they make it to the college or pro level, they are getting paid well and can handle booing from a crowd for a bad call, but the problem is the best of the best is likely not as good as it was due to many not starting in the first place.

To the call in the PSU game, it's obvious the ref saw something prior to the play happening. Without a shot of the sideline, we can't know if it's KF calling timeout or something else. My guess is Iowa was trying to call timeout.
 
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Sounds like a penalty every play, since we all know holding happens every play.
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That’s where leeway could be dialed into the computer. Take the classic, detailed definition of holding and allow a percentage of acceptance agreed upon by the governing panel.
 
wicker said:
Is there an official designated to watch for coaches and possible timeouts or does that distract them from the field too much?
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All officials are to grant TOs if they see the “head coach” calling for one. My guess is maybe Brian was calling for a TO or another assistant possibly. That’s my only logic reason behind the video. No ref waves their arms up up like that w/out having seen something. My guess was KF might not of gotten downfield far enough for that guy to see or someone else was calling TO.

I often wonder if there is some way a coach can buzz down to the field for a TO. That would be a great thing to have. Especially when teams are in goal and the coaches are 25+ yds away.
 
He was doing same thing that weather channel dude was doing in his fake report bracing himself against a fake strong wind. It's all fake.
 
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