Will Tom Brands lead Iowa to another national championship?

[HoundedHawk]

It's been quite a while now, and the powers out east are only looking to get stronger. This was supposed to be a year we contend, but due to injuries it honestly is not looking close. Next year . . . no way.

I think it's safe to say we will always be competitive. The Brands work ethic and obsession won't allow less.

 

[el dub]

Times have changed. The sooner TnT start regularly recruiting kids that don't need to sit for a year before being successful on the mat, the sooner they will be in the title hunt consistently again. (Scoring over 100 pts.)

 

[relishingwinning18]

In two years lineup:
Lee
Wagner --- Teasdale Redshirts I guess
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

In 3 years:
Lee
Teasdale
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Costello - Stevenson?????


2 years possibly, 3 years I say that's championship material. Can we get Stevenson at HWT to fill out that lineup. Sasso at 149?

 

[dhm47]

In two years lineup:
Lee
Wagner --- Teasdale Redshirts I guess
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

In 3 years:
Lee
Teasdale
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Costello - Stevenson?????


2 years possibly, 3 years I say that's championship material. Can we get Stevenson at HWT to fill out that lineup. Sasso at 149?

Honestly, when you have to use / at a couple of weights, you've answered the question.

 

[pablow]

Iowa is picking up the recruits we need to win. Meanwhile, in addition to Iowa, tOSU, OSU, NC State, Cornell, Nebraska, VA Tech, Arizona State, and Missouri are making inroads into Cael's recruiting monopoly. The landscape is changing.

 

[Iknowwrestling]

The same guys that want Iowa to wrestle true freshmen are the same guys who would blame TNT if the freshmen struggled in the lineup!

 

[The Vak]

I think he will within the next 3 seasons (not including this season).

 

[Czech Hawk]

Honestly, when you have to use / at a couple of weights, you've answered the question.

Not really, it depends on the options. PSU has some places that are like that as well. Hard to tell anything in a few years but having a top 10 backup isn't always a bad thing. Clark / Gilman at 125... I think Gilman could have done just as well that year. Wish we had a Stoll / Bradley or something this year that was close to his production level

 

[bawlmerhawk]

In two years lineup:
Lee
Wagner --- Teasdale Redshirts I guess
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

In 3 years:
Lee
Teasdale
Happel/Murin
Happel/Turk
Kemmerer
Bull
Young
Wilcke
Warner
Costello - Stevenson?????


2 years possibly, 3 years I say that's championship material. Can we get Stevenson at HWT to fill out that lineup. Sasso at 149?

Geez, half of these guys are from Pennsylvania. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

It's all in recruiting... Things are getting brighter now but the past 4 or 5 years we haven't recruited at the same levels that Penn State has been...

 

[WildTurk]

It's all in recruiting... Things are getting brighter now but the past 4 or 5 years we haven't recruited at the same levels that Penn State has been...

Boy, you sure are smart!

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

Boy, you sure are smart!

Do you dispute it? Iowa has been light on Top 20 wrestlers the past few years before the addition of Kemmerer, Marinelli, Lee, Warner, etc...

As I said, things are much brighter now and Iowa looks to take it's place again very soon but Penn State has out-recruited everyone the past 4-5 years. I don't think I said anything that is not the truth did I?

 

[WildTurk]

Do you dispute it? Iowa has been light on Top 20 wrestlers the past few years before the addition of Kemmerer, Marinelli, Lee, Warner, etc...

As I said, things are much brighter now and Iowa looks to take it's place again very soon but Penn State has out-recruited everyone the past 4-5 years. I don't think I said anything that is not the truth did I?

I just dont think you said anything we didnt already know. I was being sarcastic. My bad

 

[Fungi2Bwith]

Is Stevenson the new Streibler?

 

[nitlion6]

Cael might stop to reload again. That will be the chance, just need to make sure the Hawks are better equipped than the bucknuts to take advantage of the opportunity.

Seriously. Brands' kids know how to wrestle and are always tough. Gotta figure Brands probably wins another one. 3 seasons after this one PSU will have already lost Zain and will lose the 3 Ns. Nobody knows what their replacements will be capable of. I would imagine they will be very good, but you don't know until you get there.

 

[Stanley75]

Yes

 

[relishingwinning18]

Honestly, when you have to use / at a couple of weights, you've answered the question.

Honestly, you're not very informed then. It was used because I don't know what weight those guys will be at in two years, not because they suck and we don't know who will start. Happel was ranked #1 by wrestling USA coming out of highschool at his weight. #19 overall according to D1CW. He's a 4 timer. Turk was the #67 recruit in the country. Murin is #4 right now by intermat. They will all 3 be fighting for those two weights. If you don't know what the f*** you're talking about, go somewhere else.

 

[dhm47]

Honestly, you're not very informed then. It was used because I don't know what weight those guys will be at in two years, not because they suck and we don't know who will start. Happel was ranked #1 by wrestling USA coming out of highschool at his weight. #19 overall according to D1CW. He's a 4 timer. Turk was the #67 recruit in the country. Murin is #4 right now by intermat. They will all 3 be fighting for those two weights. If you don't know what the f*** you're talking about, go somewhere else.

Calm down pickles

 

[relishingwinning18]

Calm down pickles

Go to the knitting forum dipshit.

 

[GoHawks2009]

What I think we need to do is broker a deal with the rest of college wrestling (outside of PSU) and have them focus on taking out PSU's wrestlers at Nationals.....and then proceed to take each other out as well.

And then we will reap the benefits......

 

[Stilltryingtobeafan]

I love the hawks but its going to be awhile.

 

[WidespreadGeo]

All it really takes is an injury or an upset at nationals and the favored team can slip.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Iowa is picking up the recruits we need to win. Meanwhile, in addition to Iowa, tOSU, OSU, NC State, Cornell, Nebraska, VA Tech, Arizona State, and Missouri are making inroads into Cael's recruiting monopoly. The landscape is changing.

The only team making inroads into Cael's recruiting are you guys with Lee and Teasdale. Arizona State? Really? (RBY)

Looking forward to some great Iowa-Penn State matches in the future.

 

[rossel 33]

Cael might stop to reload again. That will be the chance, just need to make sure the Hawks are better equipped than the bucknuts to take advantage of the opportunity.

By "reloading," do you mean a year when PSU gets only 1 top ten recruit, instead of the usual 2 or 3?

 

[Ja1339]

Cael might stop to reload again. That will be the chance, just need to make sure the Hawks are better equipped than the bucknuts to take advantage of the opportunity.

Seriously. Brands' kids know how to wrestle and are always tough. Gotta figure Brands probably wins another one. 3 seasons after this one PSU will have already lost Zain and will lose the 3 Ns. Nobody knows what their replacements will be capable of. I would imagine they will be very good, but you don't know until you get there.

PSUs newcomers this year, Suriano, Hall, and Joseph may be almost as impressive as the 3 Ns were last year.

 

[csiebott]

Cael might stop to reload again. That will be the chance, just need to make sure the Hawks are better equipped than the bucknuts to take advantage of the opportunity.

Seriously. Brands' kids know how to wrestle and are always tough. Gotta figure Brands probably wins another one. 3 seasons after this one PSU will have already lost Zain and will lose the 3 Ns. Nobody knows what their replacements will be capable of. I would imagine they will be very good, but you don't know until you get there.

of course he will.

 

[nitlion6]

PSUs newcomers this year, Suriano, Hall, and Joseph may be almost as impressive as the 3 Ns were last year.

Yeah, they are pretty good.

I don't see Penn State falling back to the pack anytime soon. If Iowa, either of the OSUs, Cornell or anybody else wants to take one away they will need to step up.

Spencer Lee, Gavin Teasdale and the Warner kid is definitely a huge effort at taking that step.

 

[nitlion6]

By "reloading," do you mean a year when PSU gets only 1 top ten recruit, instead of the usual 2 or 3?

I actually was referencing the 2014-15 season, but yeah a recruiting season with only one top 10 recruit could b unsettling.

 

[rossel 33]

I actually was referencing the 2014-15 season, but yeah a recruiting season with only one top 10 recruit could b unsettling.

True enough. That class of '15 yielded only one top ten guy, #5 Joseph, now a RS Fr ranked 4th. Pathetic by PSU standards.

The pain of that 2015 class was eased by the class that preceded it - 2014 recruits #4 Nolf, #5 Nevills and #7 Nickal and the 2016 class that followed - #1 Hall, #2 Suriano, #5 Manville.

Pt of reference - 2011,2012,2013 and 2014 saw Iowa get zero top ten guys. In 2015 Iowa got one - #8 Kemerer.

 

[diggerpup]

Teasdale ??


.................. ?

 

[Flying_Tiger]

True enough. That class of '15 yielded only one top ten guy, #5 Joseph, now a RS Fr ranked 4th. Pathetic by PSU standards.

The pain of that 2015 class was eased by the class that preceded it - 2014 recruits #4 Nolf, #5 Nevills and #7 Nickal and the 2016 class that followed - #1 Hall, #2 Suriano, #5 Manville.

Pt of reference - 2011,2012,2013 and 2014 saw Iowa get zero top ten guys. In 2015 Iowa got one - #8 Kemerer.

 

[Ja1339]

True enough. That class of '15 yielded only one top ten guy, #5 Joseph, now a RS Fr ranked 4th. Pathetic by PSU standards.

The pain of that 2015 class was eased by the class that preceded it - 2014 recruits #4 Nolf, #5 Nevills and #7 Nickal and the 2016 class that followed - #1 Hall, #2 Suriano, #5 Manville.

Pt of reference - 2011,2012,2013 and 2014 saw Iowa get zero top ten guys. In 2015 Iowa got one - #8 Kemerer.

And if you go by Flo P4P rankings, next year's class at PSU includes #5 Nick Lee and #7 Berge. The following year includes two top 5 guys in RBY and Whittlake.

 

[Sandor45]

 

[HTAutomotive]

We really need Sasso and Gable Steveson!!!



Lee, Teasdale, Happel, Sasso, Kemerer, Bull, Young, Wilke, Warner & Steveson > Carl!!!

 

[Lsanders20]

Calm down pickles

Pickles? Lol good one

 

[Grip220]

I also think within 3 years the ball field will be leveled recruits wise and then we will all see that TNT can develop top talent as good or better than Cael or anyone else out there.. With the chance of landing top prospects like Steveson and Sasso also we could see the Hawks on top for multiple years in a row and putting them right back at the top of the mountain as the Mecca of ncaa wrestling for years to come that's how I see it. schools like Cornell getting 2 number one guys Yawanna D and Vito Arugula "two more for the best name lineup" and couple other nice recruits they also will stay in the mix for the next bunch of years.
The NCAA's are gonna be awesome seem to be getting better and better...

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I also think within 3 years the ball field will be leveled recruits wise and then we will all see that TNT can develop top talent as good or better than Cael or anyone else out there.. With the chance of landing top prospects like Steveson and Sasso also we could see the Hawks on top for multiple years in a row and putting them right back at the top of the mountain as the Mecca of ncaa wrestling for years to come that's how I see it. schools like Cornell getting 2 number one guys Yawanna D and Vito Arugula "two more for the best name lineup" and couple other nice recruits they also will stay in the mix for the next bunch of years.
The NCAA's are gonna be awesome seem to be getting better and better...

My only disagreement is that I think Iowa has been the Mecca of NCAA wrestling for decades and still is.

From the quality of programs ranging from JUCO through D1, D2, and D3, and considering attendance at Carver over the decades, the Grapple on the Gridiron pulling in 42,000+, the last two Olympic Trials being held in Iowa City (no, the OTT's aren't officially college events but they're the goal of the best kids in college and OTC's do play directly into recruits' decisions to attend various schools), and the World Cup scheduled for Iowa City in 2018 (also not officially a college event, but again a huge deal for the top college kids who aspire to compete internationally), no state compares to Iowa as the Mecca.

I do agree that the Hawks will get back to the top of the heap before very long, but there's no doubt in my mind where the Mecca of college wrestling is, and has been since about 1975.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

My only disagreement is that I think Iowa has been the Mecca of NCAA wrestling for decades and still is.

From the quality of programs ranging from JUCO through D1, D2, and D3, and considering attendance at Carver over the decades, the Grapple on the Gridiron pulling in 42,000+, the last two Olympic Trials being held in Iowa City (no, the OTT's aren't officially college events but they're the goal of the best kids in college and OTC's do play directly into recruits' decisions to attend various schools), and the World Cup scheduled for Iowa City in 2018 (also not officially a college event, but again a huge deal for the top college kids who aspire to compete internationally), no state compares to Iowa as the Mecca.

I do agree that the Hawks will get back to the top of the heap before very long, but there's no doubt in my mind where the Mecca of college wrestling is, and has been since about 1975.

I would concur with your assessment with respect to college and Olympic level. Iowa City is the "mecca". On the other hand, the "State" of Pennsylvania is the breeding ground for the majority of D1 prospects. So it comes down to ones definition of "mecca". Just an observation, not a criticism.

 

[Grip220]

My only disagreement is that I think Iowa has been the Mecca of NCAA wrestling for decades and still is.

From the quality of programs ranging from JUCO through D1, D2, and D3, and considering attendance at Carver over the decades, the Grapple on the Gridiron pulling in 42,000+, the last two Olympic Trials being held in Iowa City (no, the OTT's aren't officially college events but they're the goal of the best kids in college and OTC's do play directly into recruits' decisions to attend various schools), and the World Cup scheduled for Iowa City in 2018 (also not officially a college event, but again a huge deal for the top college kids who aspire to compete internationally), no state compares to Iowa as the Mecca.

I do agree that the Hawks will get back to the top of the heap before very long, but there's no doubt in my mind where the Mecca of college wrestling is, and has been since about 1975.

Don't get me wrong I agree with you Iowa wrestling is still and has been at the pinnacle, I was just stating since the PSU run they have taken a little wind away from the wings if I may but not for long.

 

[Grip220]

I would concur with your assessment with respect to college and Olympic level. Iowa City is the "mecca". On the other hand, the "State" of Pennsylvania is the breeding ground for the majority of D1 prospects. So it comes down to ones definition of "mecca". Just an observation, not a criticism.

Oh I don't think anyone is denying that PA is where it's at at the HS level...