Wiscy Grades?
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BS gets a D too. He must not have been feeling very good. Due to the overall season, he gets a mulligan. I think Meyer must have missed the bus. That was really Evans out there wrestling.
Video review in Clarks match: F. Would been major maybe fall without review. Taylor was gassed.
Official during 141 match = F. The Wisconsin kid essentially stalled for 6:45. Awful. Too bad I was watching live or I would have fast forwarded through that
Would agree with that. Meyer's main advantage over many of these guys is his gas tank. When he isn't agressive and just stands around for the entire first period, that advantage is nullified. Seems like he is now very conscious about not giving up early points and has gotten very cautious and defensive (much like most of last year's seniors). Unfortunately, he is not doing himself any favors in doing so. Turns a 7 minute marathon into a 4 minute sprint (or jog if you watch his matches recently).
Give me back the guy that gives up the first points but comes roaring back to take the last 2 periods and wear the guys out, please.
Somewhat agree, but Carton was mainly just pushing and not getting to his offense either.
Completely agree on the fast forward though. Would have used it in Meyer's match too.
I was surprised to not see more urgency at 141. I thought Topher would put a beat down on that kid trying to slam the door on Brody.
The main thought on my mind last night is, Gilman is looking so good right now. I hope he keeps up the attack as the competition level becomes tougher. I love the intensity Thomas has been displaying all year.
Add Burak. He has looked great this year. I hope he keeps up the attack as the competition level becomes tougher.
Gilman looked dominant as ever. (And I was sitting right behind his parents and girlfriend, had some nice conversation with them throughout the meet, really nice people!)
I was happy to see Clark stay on track, I thought even though the score was 7-3 he pretty much dominated Taylor, They gave Taylor 2 in the same position that they didn't give Clark 2 earlier (side headlock, but the defensive wrestler had the leg) and then stopped it right before Clark was about to get a reversal. Not to mention the huge breather he got from the review, Clark owned him.
Carton faced a master staller, the same way he wrestled all throughout high school, but good to see him get to some attacks, although I think if he pulled the trigger more he could have racked up more points.
Sorensen looked like he wasn't feeling well or had a tough cut, but its an outlier this season and he's looked great other than this match so meh, at least he gutted it out.
Cooper is so quick and explosive, when he wants to be, on his takedowns he was so quick and crisp Ruschell didn't have any time to defend them or create scrambles. If we see more of that from Coop we may be getting at least SOME points from him at NCAAs.
Rhoads hung in there and battled with Jordan, which is all we can ask for when hes facing guys that caliber.
Meyer was a bit disappointing, but Robertson is a pretty athletic guy and those guys always seem to give Meyer trouble. He was close to a TD but got caught up in a scramble and ran out of time to finish when pulling him back on. He did look a little like Evans in one of his 2-0 matches, but hey, if he can get 6th at NCAAs this year I can't say I would be disappointed.
Brooks gave up a slick first TD then came back and dominated him. Workmanlike performance. Solid.
Burak is looking great on his feet this year, more versatile attacks, better footwork, tough defense, he's a legit top 3 guy as far as i'm concerned, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals, or even winning it one bit.
Stoll had a workmanlike win, Wiscy did absolutely nothing on bottom for pretty much the entire first period, and managed to snake his way out of a few Stoll takedown attempts. Stoll completely controlled every phase of this match.
Overall a little disappointed with Meyer and Sorensen, but part of what makes those guys good, even on an off day they still can grind out a tough win, which is big.
Everyone else looked pretty dominant in their matches, even if the scores didn't indicate it (but hey Brands once said that you can dominate a guy in a close scoring match, its out hustling them in every position, and I think most of the guys did that tonight.)
Wiscy Fans - A for effort
Not really, but I got into some fun banter trading exchanges with some incredibly obnoxious Badger fans and I felt the love from my fellow hawkeye fans around me
I was happy to see Clark stay on track, I thought even though the score was 7-3 he pretty much dominated Taylor, They gave Taylor 2 in the same position that they didn't give Clark 2 earlier (side headlock, but the defensive wrestler had the leg) and then stopped it right before Clark was about to get a reversal. Not to mention the huge breather he got from the review, Clark owned him.
Carton faced a master staller, the same way he wrestled all throughout high school, but good to see him get to some attacks, although I think if he pulled the trigger more he could have racked up more points.
Sorensen looked like he wasn't feeling well or had a tough cut, but its an outlier this season and he's looked great other than this match so meh, at least he gutted it out.
Cooper is so quick and explosive, when he wants to be, on his takedowns he was so quick and crisp Ruschell didn't have any time to defend them or create scrambles. If we see more of that from Coop we may be getting at least SOME points from him at NCAAs.
Rhoads hung in there and battled with Jordan, which is all we can ask for when hes facing guys that caliber.
Meyer was a bit disappointing, but Robertson is a pretty athletic guy and those guys always seem to give Meyer trouble. He was close to a TD but got caught up in a scramble and ran out of time to finish when pulling him back on. He did look a little like Evans in one of his 2-0 matches, but hey, if he can get 6th at NCAAs this year I can't say I would be disappointed.
Brooks gave up a slick first TD then came back and dominated him. Workmanlike performance. Solid.
Burak is looking great on his feet this year, more versatile attacks, better footwork, tough defense, he's a legit top 3 guy as far as i'm concerned, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals, or even winning it one bit.
Stoll had a workmanlike win, Wiscy did absolutely nothing on bottom for pretty much the entire first period, and managed to snake his way out of a few Stoll takedown attempts. Stoll completely controlled every phase of this match.
Overall a little disappointed with Meyer and Sorensen, but part of what makes those guys good, even on an off day they still can grind out a tough win, which is big.
Everyone else looked pretty dominant in their matches, even if the scores didn't indicate it (but hey Brands once said that you can dominate a guy in a close scoring match, its out hustling them in every position, and I think most of the guys did that tonight.)
Wiscy Fans - A for effort
Not really, but I got into some fun banter trading exchanges with some incredibly obnoxious Badger fans and I felt the love from my fellow hawkeye fans around me 195- A: Burak got the major, but we also so him trying to work different moves. So a time or two trying different setups for takedowns, and an attempt on what I assume was a tilt (but looked ugly). Anyways, it was the type of match to get a major and work on things, he accomplished that. Oh, and another major against D1.
HWT- B+: I guess your typical heavy match. I would have liked to see some work going to the legs, but it might not be there yet.
125- A: Geez TG, no fall?
133- A minus: Clark controlled the match, and may have been screwed from TD and a reversal. Minus because you got to convert backs with that arm bar/deep half combo.
141- B: Carton's only issue is his brain. Like Terry says, he spends too much time worrying about how he feels, and not paying attention to the other guy. Wisky had a good plan of backing up, and attempting throws right before going out. The legs were there for the taking, but TC didn't take advantage. It's a win though.
149- B+: One of two things happened 1) BS didn't feel good 2) He got his bell rung with all that ramming of heads. Either way he fought through it. B+ just for the some possibility that it was just a bad day.
157 A: Did what he was supposed to do. He could have had the major but it sounds like TB wanted him to finish out with the ride.
165 B: To be honest, I skipped through the match. Brands gave him some praise for effort, so that's what I based it on.
174 B: Maybe another one who's sick? I don't know, but like everyone else, I expected more. I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Also sounded like these two have meet quite a few times in the past, so maybe it was an issue of familiarity.
184 A: Workman like. TDs, tilts, and some tough rides. Nothing more to ask for, but also expect anything less.
HWT- B+: I guess your typical heavy match. I would have liked to see some work going to the legs, but it might not be there yet.
125- A: Geez TG, no fall?
133- A minus: Clark controlled the match, and may have been screwed from TD and a reversal. Minus because you got to convert backs with that arm bar/deep half combo.
141- B: Carton's only issue is his brain. Like Terry says, he spends too much time worrying about how he feels, and not paying attention to the other guy. Wisky had a good plan of backing up, and attempting throws right before going out. The legs were there for the taking, but TC didn't take advantage. It's a win though.
149- B+: One of two things happened 1) BS didn't feel good 2) He got his bell rung with all that ramming of heads. Either way he fought through it. B+ just for the some possibility that it was just a bad day.
157 A: Did what he was supposed to do. He could have had the major but it sounds like TB wanted him to finish out with the ride.
165 B: To be honest, I skipped through the match. Brands gave him some praise for effort, so that's what I based it on.
174 B: Maybe another one who's sick? I don't know, but like everyone else, I expected more. I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Also sounded like these two have meet quite a few times in the past, so maybe it was an issue of familiarity.
184 A: Workman like. TDs, tilts, and some tough rides. Nothing more to ask for, but also expect anything less.
Brandon probably fell asleep during the 141 match and didn't get to warm up.
Agree 100%. Damn hard to put a "beat down" on another wrestler when that wrestler stalls and gets away with it.
Thought Gibbons made some persuasive comments during Carton's match. IIRC, he kept noting that Carton was coming out of his position in order to tie up with the taller wrestler, and as a result was wrestling straight up and down and wasn't in position to change levels to fire off an attack.
He was backing up but we weren't taking any shots. Sorry if "beat down" offended you. His opponent couldn't stand up in his last two matches and we didn't do much to take advantage of it. Feel free to disagree.
Gilman looked dominant as ever. (And I was sitting right behind his parents and girlfriend, had some nice conversation with them throughout the meet, really nice people!)
I was happy to see Clark stay on track, I thought even though the score was 7-3 he pretty much dominated Taylor, They gave Taylor 2 in the same position that they didn't give Clark 2 earlier (side headlock, but the defensive wrestler had the leg) and then stopped it right before Clark was about to get a reversal. Not to mention the huge breather he got from the review, Clark owned him.
Carton faced a master staller, the same way he wrestled all throughout high school, but good to see him get to some attacks, although I think if he pulled the trigger more he could have racked up more points.
Sorensen looked like he wasn't feeling well or had a tough cut, but its an outlier this season and he's looked great other than this match so meh, at least he gutted it out.
Cooper is so quick and explosive, when he wants to be, on his takedowns he was so quick and crisp Ruschell didn't have any time to defend them or create scrambles. If we see more of that from Coop we may be getting at least SOME points from him at NCAAs.
Rhoads hung in there and battled with Jordan, which is all we can ask for when hes facing guys that caliber.
Meyer was a bit disappointing, but Robertson is a pretty athletic guy and those guys always seem to give Meyer trouble. He was close to a TD but got caught up in a scramble and ran out of time to finish when pulling him back on. He did look a little like Evans in one of his 2-0 matches, but hey, if he can get 6th at NCAAs this year I can't say I would be disappointed.
Brooks gave up a slick first TD then came back and dominated him. Workmanlike performance. Solid.
Burak is looking great on his feet this year, more versatile attacks, better footwork, tough defense, he's a legit top 3 guy as far as i'm concerned, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finals, or even winning it one bit.
Stoll had a workmanlike win, Wiscy did absolutely nothing on bottom for pretty much the entire first period, and managed to snake his way out of a few Stoll takedown attempts. Stoll completely controlled every phase of this match.
Overall a little disappointed with Meyer and Sorensen, but part of what makes those guys good, even on an off day they still can grind out a tough win, which is big.
Everyone else looked pretty dominant in their matches, even if the scores didn't indicate it (but hey Brands once said that you can dominate a guy in a close scoring match, its out hustling them in every position, and I think most of the guys did that tonight.)
Wiscy Fans - A for effort
Great post. Agree with everything.
Hmmm. . . . Thought the statement in bold was interesting. Some of our fellow Hawk fans might want to remember that.
Great post. Agree with everything.
Hmmm. . . . Thought the statement in bold was interesting. Some of our fellow Hawk fans might want to remember that.
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Went and found the quote. http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/4725/one-on-one-with-terry-brands
I know the goal of Iowa wrestling has always been domination. When you were the National Resident Coach for USA Wrestling, I heard you say in an interview that a wrestler can win a one-point match but still dominate that match. Do you think the same could be said about winning a one-point match in collegiate wrestling? Or is it different?
Brands: I don't think it's different at all. I think that could certainly be the case. You have a kid who is a freshman or sophomore who is wrestling a three-time returning NCAA champion … and he's just all over him and the scores just aren't turning his way and he ends up winning 3-2 on a takedown, but was in on two or three shots and is trying to get better and finish those shots. That could be a dominating performance, even though it's too close because he slips on that wet spot, it could cost him the match the next time around. But because of his ability to dominate in those positions, the next time around it will widen the gap.
F without a doubt the worst official of the season. He is horrible for the sport.
I'm not offended by your choice of words and I feel a lot better knowing that I have your permission to disagree.
I didn't feel Carton did enough to warrant any more stalling than what was called (don't recall for certain how many, if any were called). The guy didn't do much but tie up, but he was typically there to be had quite a bit IMO. Waiting for the day Grothus gets his stuff together and takes over this spot. Carton, Ryan, Turk are all a minimum of one year away from doing any meaningful "damage" in our lineup.
Agree, sloe. If the mental "light bulb" had gone off for Topher, he would have been shooting until the cows came home on that guy. His movement was generally forward, but he could have pulled the trigger a lot more. I wish he had, for his sake. IMO, he still needs to prove to himself that he can score consistently, even against weaker opponents -- not to mention the AA types. I really do think that most of it is between the ears for Topher. I hope Gilman's in his ear constantly in the room. With some of that Gilman mentality, I think he could be pretty darn tough to beat.
While not the funniest type of match to watch, the fact that Meyers has the ability to win matches on top like that is a great skill to have. While obviously we would all like him to rack up the points on every guy, I think he is going to have to win a few of these types of matches to place this year.
Just saw a match in the finals of a big tournament down here. Wrestler "Red" got 3 backs in the 2nd by way of cradle...Red should have gotten the fall but another case of Refs not getting into good position which seems to be happening a lot lately. Red then tried to coast to a 3-0 lead. The other kid, "Green" was shooting and got a stall on Red in the second. In the third, they gave Green one point. He continued to work underhooks while Red continued to back out. Happens again with :30 left. Score is now 3-2 Red. Gets down to five seconds left and the Ref made a ballsy call and called stalling again which gave the match to Green...What was odd is that they were 105 pounders.
He is at a competitive disadvantage in neutral wresting against top opponents; his competitive advantage is that he can ride and he has a great gas tank. Even in his best performances last year -- against Butler, Brunson, Crutchmer, Rogers and Miklus -- he was getting beat on his feet early, and was winning (against Butler, Brunson, Crutchmer, Rogers) by coming back strong late. This year, he's still getting beat on his feet early in matches. It's not new. He still needs to improve in that area. Once he does, he'll be a force.
I would agree, but he still needs to force the action early. I am not sure if he will ever improve his technique/athletic ability/etc. to beat the top guys on his feet early in matches. Recently, he has not been forcing enough action early to get people tired so that his gas tank is a significant advantage. I think he needs to find a way to force the action early without digging himself big holes. Lots of action, moving his opponents, working the head more, creating angles, etc. DSJ had a way of creating a fair amount of action early and tiring his guys out even if he wasn't scoring. When Alex is able to that, more success will come.
Boy, I hope TnT and Alex are reading this so they can learn from us experts.
I thought he'd turned the corner this year after seeing his first match at the Gridiron vs Crutch. He was down late right off the bat, but he came barreling back throughout the rest of the match attacking and scoring from his shots. I was super impressed by that Meyer and thought the sky was the limit for him this season. Than, I saw him bandaged up (think his head) in his next outing and looked very passive, countering and not taking as many shots since the opening dual.
I just don't see an AA for him going at the rate he's been going lately. Keep telling myself it's an injury he's dealing with, but it's hard to keep convincing myself of that week after week and especially after a lackluster performance against Wisc.
As much as our impression of Meyer keeps dropping....
so does our impression of Cookie Monster Stoll keep raising.
Kind of teeter totter like inverse relationship.
Thank Heavens we got Brody to save us..........
