Would Trump Have Prevented the Ukraine War? How? Now with POLL!

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I think he could have. At least for a while. Here's how:

1. He explicitly states that the US opposes and will oppose Ukraine's admittance to NATO.

2. He recognizes that Crimea (and maybe parts of Donetsk and Luhansk) are part of Russian territory.

3. He arm-twists enough of our allies to be on the same page, so that 1 and 2 aren't just US positions.

If you believe that those match Putin's main reasons for starting the shooting, then those prevent the war during Trump's 2nd term. If a Trump loyalist wins in 2020, that extends "peace" even further.

Sure, if Dems win in 2020, they could move to reverse those positions. But would they bother? And how quickly? Why not "let" peace continue, while blaming the GOP for the loss of Crimea and the rest?

 

[DPUboiler]

What you describe is actually not "preventing" the war, but rather supporting the Russian war effort.

 

[Moral]

I don't think it really has much to do with NATO. That's Putin's excuse. It was just an imperial conquest for land that benefits Russia and nothing to do with sovereignty. I view the reasoning to be on as sound footing as US interventions over the years.

The question is what would Trump have done in 2020 or would 2020 Trump have been the same as 2024 Trump? If Trump takes no action does Europe roll over too? I doubt that they would have but Russia probably would have advanced faster without the US intervening. It may have ended with Trump demanding mineral rights, but he didn't seem as entrenched with the oligarchs in 2020 as he is now.

Either way, what Trump is doing now is economic imperialism over Ukraine.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What you describe is actually not "preventing" the war, but rather supporting the Russian war effort.

It's "Chamberlaining" Russia's initial land grabs. But it would have limited Russia's expansion to what Putin already had.

So, yes, it would have prevented the (expanded) war we've had for the last 3 years.

In theory.

The theory being the Putin would be satisfied with his pre-war claims being met. No way of knowing for sure, but a lot of folks and nations seem to think so.

 

[mnole03]

They all assured us that Russia wasn’t going to invade Ukraine.

 

[h-hawk]

It's "Chamberlaining" Russia's initial land grabs. But it would have limited Russia's expansion to what Putin already had.

So, yes, it would have prevented the (expanded) war we've had for the last 3 years.

In theory.

The theory being the Putin would be satisfied with his pre-war claims being met. No way of knowing for sure, but a lot of folks and nations seem to think so.

I don't think it would have prevented Putin from wanting more just as all the concessions to Hitler did not stop him.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Biden was addressing the war in Ukraine in similar fashion to how Reagan dealt with the Russians in the 80s. Military spending. And it was working. Hundreds of thousands of dead Russians. They were pulling convicted criminals out of prison to fight the war. Hell, they even had N Korea helping for awhile until they started loosing fighting personnel at a high clip.

Now trump is going to give it all back to them.

 

[Bonerfarts]

I think he could have. At least for a while. Here's how:

1. He explicitly states that the US opposes and will oppose Ukraine's admittance to NATO.

2. He recognizes that Crimea (and maybe parts of Donetsk and Luhansk) are part of Russian territory.

3. He arm-twists enough of our allies to be on the same page, so that 1 and 2 aren't just US positions.

If you believe that those match Putin's main reasons for starting the shooting, then those prevent the war during Trump's 2nd term. If a Trump loyalist wins in 2020, that extends "peace" even further.

Sure, if Dems win in 2020, they could move to reverse those positions. But would they bother? And how quickly? Why not "let" peace continue, while blaming the GOP for the loss of Crimea and the rest?

Pretty naive to think Putin accepts that deal. The Russian army was streaming into Kiev to murder Zelensky before Ukraine repelled them. What Putin really wanted (and still wants) was to install a puppet state that he had complete control over (Belarus II).

 

[Bulldogs1974]

I think he could have. At least for a while. Here's how:

1. He explicitly states that the US opposes and will oppose Ukraine's admittance to NATO.

2. He recognizes that Crimea (and maybe parts of Donetsk and Luhansk) are part of Russian territory.

3. He arm-twists enough of our allies to be on the same page, so that 1 and 2 aren't just US positions.

If you believe that those match Putin's main reasons for starting the shooting, then those prevent the war during Trump's 2nd term. If a Trump loyalist wins in 2020, that extends "peace" even further.

Sure, if Dems win in 2020, they could move to reverse those positions. But would they bother? And how quickly? Why not "let" peace continue, while blaming the GOP for the loss of Crimea and the rest?

Not a war if it's over in a day because you helped putin. At this point trump would have enlisted musk to help

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

They all assured us that Russia wasn’t going to invade Ukraine.

Who is "they"?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I don't think it would have prevented Putin from wanting more just as all the concessions to Hitler did not stop him.

And I disagree. But we're just offering our opinions, so who knows?

 

[mnole03]

Who is "they"?

The Republican establishment, Ukraine, and all of the people on this board who said it was all for show and Biden was just trying to stir anti-Russian sentiment.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

They were pulling convicted criminals out of prison to fight the war.

Clever way to cut prison overcrowding and costs. Maybe Trump will ship our prisoners off to Ukraine.

Nah, he probably gets a cut of the prison profits.

If Harris had won, maybe she could have sent the J6 traitors to fight in Ukraine. The problem with that is which side would they fight for?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The Republican establishment, Ukraine, and all of the people on this board who said it was all for show and Biden was just trying to stir anti-Russian sentiment.

Ah. Those idiots.

As usual.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

POLL added.

The 2nd option is supposed to read:

Probably not, but he might have bought time for Ukraine and the EU to prepare.​

Sorry about that. Hopefully easy for people to figure out.

 

[seminole97]

I don't think it really has much to do with NATO. That's Putin's excuse.

Weird how the former ambassador to Russia, coincidentally Biden’s CIA director, took a completely opposite view from yours.

If only he had the access to intel and people that you do!

 

[thewop]

Probably delayed it. World leaders think he's a loose cannon (or did at the time) so that would have been a deterrent.

Nothing about Biden Harris posed a threat.

 

[joelbc1]

Pretty naive to think Putin accepts that deal. The Russian army was streaming into Kiev to murder Zelensky before Ukraine repelled them. What Putin really wanted (and still wants) was to install a puppet state that he had complete control over (Belarus II).

Putin’s eyes are in Poland. It may take awhile while but he’s working that way… his “wet dream” is to re-establish the old Soviet Bloc. Putin is no secret…he is “old school” Soviet commie who wants a return to the “good old days” of tge Cold War. Trump is his enabler.

 

[jonesy5960]

It would definitely be over by now with everyone back to calling it "The Ukrainian region of Russia".

 

[Randon]

A more appropriate question is what would Trump have done had Russia invaded Ukraine during his first term. Based on his cave to Putin at Helsinki, my guess is that he would have done nothing. And today, three years after Russia's unprovoked invasion, Trump still can't bring himself to condemn Putin but instead incredibly blaming Biden and Zelinski.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I voted 'Almost certainly' (only because ABSO-FREAK'N-LUTELY wasn't an option).

Why? Because he said so.

 

[scruffyhawk]

Putin’s eyes are in Poland. It may take awhile while but he’s working that way… his “wet dream” is to re-establish the old Soviet Bloc. Putin is no secret…he is “old school” Soviet commie who wants a return to the “good old days” of tge Cold War. Trump is his enabler.

Land route to Crimea, land route to Transnistria, and a land route to Kallengrad are his long term goals. I would not want to live anywhere ending in stan either. Belarus is just a matter of time they become Russian without a shot fired.

 

[scruffyhawk]

A more appropriate question is what would Trump have done had Russia invaded Ukraine during his first term. Based on his cave to Putin at Helsinki, my guess is that he would have done nothing. And today, three years after Russia's unprovoked invasion, Trump still can't bring himself to condemn Putin but instead incredibly blaming Biden and Zelinski.

China may directly ask him that question and act accordingly towards Taiwan.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Putin’s eyes are in Poland. It may take awhile while but he’s working that way… his “wet dream” is to re-establish the old Soviet Bloc.

This is the belief of a surprising number of Dems and neocons. It's an obstacle to a negotiated settlement.

Is re-estalishing the USSR really Putin's wet dream? Probably. In the same way that sleeping with Kate Beckinsale is my dream. But does he plan to attempt that? Unlikely. No more than I will try to bed Kate.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Land route to Crimea, land route to Transnistria, and a land route to Kallengrad are his long term goals. I would not want to live anywhere ending in stan either. Belarus is just a matter of time they become Russian without a shot fired.

Belarus is already a vassal state. No need for Russia to do anything about them. Unless maybe they get a new leader who wants to join NATO and the EU.

We, of course, will work to arrange for a leader who will do just that. Or will once Trump is out of the picture. That's geopolitics 101.

 

[seminole97]

I think he could have. At least for a while. Here's how:

1. He explicitly states that the US opposes and will oppose Ukraine's admittance to NATO.
2. He recognizes that Crimea (and maybe parts of Donetsk and Luhansk) are part of Russian territory.
3. He arm-twists enough of our allies to be on the same page, so that 1 and 2 aren't just US positions.

If he'd come in arm twisting on Minsk II, it might have meant no war. Before 2022 the Russians were still trying to keep Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine. Minsk II included putting neutrality into the Ukrainian constitution.
But the US wasn't part of Minsk I or Minsk II (2014 and 2015). Obama wasn't part of negotiating them, Trump admin didn't see it their place to try and enforce them.

 

[jonesy5960]

Land route to Crimea, land route to Transnistria, and a land route to Kallengrad are his long term goals. I would not want to live anywhere ending in stan either. Belarus is just a matter of time they become Russian without a shot fired.

Belarus is already a Russian satellite state.