You guys want to see some numbers that will make you sick?

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

offense (hereafter called O) Defense (d)

1999 O 14.7ppg (105/114) D 31.5ppg (98/114)
2000 O 16.9ppg (101/116) D 27.5ppg (76/116)
2001 O 32.6ppg (23/117) D 21.5ppg (32/117)
2002 O 37.2ppg (7/117) D 19.7ppg (24/117)
2003 O 28.7ppg (41/117) D 16.2ppg (9/117)
2004 O 24.3ppg(70/120) D 14.39ppg (11/120)
2005 O 30ppg (37/119) D 20ppg (22/119)
2006 O 23.8ppg (58/119) D 20.7ppg (45/119)
2007 O 18.5ppg (111/120) D 18.8 log (12/120)
2008 O 30.3ppg (33/120) D 13ppg (5/120)
2009 O 23.2ppg (86/120) D 15.4 (8/120)
2010 O 28.9ppg 49/120 D 17 (7/120)
2011 O 27.5ppg (58/120) D 23.8 (46/120)
2012 O 19.3ppg (113/124) D 22.9ppg (33/124)
2013 O 26.3ppg (81/125) D 18.9 (9/125)
2014 O 28.2ppg (70/128) D 25.6ppg (51/128)
2015 O 30.9ppg (53/128) D 10.4ppg (24/128)
2016 O 24.9ppg (95/128) D 18.8ppg (13/128)

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Take aways:
The offense has finished in the top half (9) one more time than the defense has finished in the top 15 (8) under KF

Only 2 times in 19 years has the offense pulled more weight than the defense 01 and 02.

If you can remember how bad the 99 defense was 98/114 that is the equivalent of what our offense was last year

I am going to owe scout 50 bucks because apparently there is 0 expectation of a decent offense at the university of Iowa and Brian may have the most kush job in America. Holy cow.

 

[dawgs_04]

Is there anything readily available that is adjusted for pace? Points per game really doesn't do it for me because we intentionally slow the game down.

Points per possession? Efficiency stats?

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I don't know I'd there is or is not but no matter what your style if you cannot consisntely be in the top half of offenses with the resources of Iowa your doing something wrong. I'm half tempted to do the same timeframe for indiana or T.Tech o vs d. I think most would agree they have a good offense most years and a horrible defense. I would be willing to be thier numbers are the inverse of ours.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Is there anything readily available that is adjusted for pace? Points per game really doesn't do it for me because we intentionally slow the game down.

Points per possession? Efficiency stats?

Here is one place that has offensive efficiency rank, right now, Iowa is 87th. Someone with more time can compile the rest of the years if they want. My guess, slightly better than above, but still pretty ugly.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff

 

[hknation]

offense (hereafter called O) Defense (d)

1999 O 14.7ppg (105/114) D 31.5ppg (98/114)
2000 O 16.9ppg (101/116) D 27.5ppg (76/116)
2001 O 32.6ppg (23/117) D 21.5ppg (32/117)
2002 O 37.2ppg (7/117) D 19.7ppg (24/117)
2003 O 28.7ppg (41/117) D 16.2ppg (9/117)
2004 O 24.3ppg(70/120) D 14.39ppg (11/120)
2005 O 30ppg (37/119) D 20ppg (22/119)
2006 O 23.8ppg (58/119) D 20.7ppg (45/119)
2007 O 18.5ppg (111/120) D 18.8 log (12/120)
2008 O 30.3ppg (33/120) D 13ppg (5/120)
2009 O 23.2ppg (86/120) D 15.4 (8/120)
2009 O 28.9ppg 49/120 D 17 (7/120)
2011 O 27.5ppg (58/120) D 23.8 (46/120)
2012 O 19.3ppg (113/124) D 22.9ppg (33/124)
2013 O 26.3ppg (81/125) D 18.9 (9/125)
2014 O 28.2ppg (70/128) D 25.6ppg (51/128)
2015 O 30.9ppg (53/128) D 10.4ppg (24/128)
2016 O 24.9ppg (95/128) D 18.8ppg (13/128)

As Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story".

1999 O 14.7ppg (105/114) D 31.5ppg (98/114)
2000 O 16.9ppg (101/116) D 27.5ppg (76/116)
2001 O 32.6ppg (23/117) D 21.5ppg (32/117).........won Alamo Bowl
2002 O 37.2ppg (7/117) D 19.7ppg (24/117)...........Final AP poll 8th
2003 O 28.7ppg (41/117) D 16.2ppg (9/117)...........Final AP poll 8th
2004 O 24.3ppg(70/120) D 14.39ppg (11/120)........Final AP poll 8th
2005 O 30ppg (37/119) D 20ppg (22/119)
2006 O 23.8ppg (58/119) D 20.7ppg (45/119)
2007 O 18.5ppg (111/120) D 18.8 log (12/120)
2008 O 30.3ppg (33/120) D 13ppg (5/120)..........Final AP poll 20th
2009 O 23.2ppg (86/120) D 15.4 (8/120)...............Final AP poll 7th
2010 O 28.9ppg 49/120 D 17 (7/120)...................won Insight Bowl
2011 O 27.5ppg (58/120) D 23.8 (46/120)
2012 O 19.3ppg (113/124) D 22.9ppg (33/124)
2013 O 26.3ppg (81/125) D 18.9 (9/125)
2014 O 28.2ppg (70/128) D 25.6ppg (51/128)
2015 O 30.9ppg (53/128) D 10.4ppg (24/128)............Final AP poll 9th
2016 O 24.9ppg (95/128) D 18.8ppg (13/128)

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

You are right my friend. The numbers show our defenses have won us alot of games including bowl games. Man if only we had an "average" offense every year, we would consistently be playing better bowls and likely have won more. Its crazy to put light in the numbers

 

[kcgolfer]

Points per includes defensive scores. Misleading at best.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

Great! You have 18 seasons of data to support your decision not to watch. Congrats!

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

"If you don't like it you can go somewhere else" said every failed business ever. If you want to say the data is not reliable or valid that's one thing. If your response is "watch someone else" you are an enabler.

 

[Eternal Return]

Iowa's offense finished in the top 30 twice (2001 and 2002).

Iowa's defense finished in the top 30 eleven times (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2016).

Pretty clear evidence that Iowa has consistently had a very good defense and very, very rarely has had a good offense. Yeah, like an earlier poster said, if Iowa could just put up a top 30 offense half the time Iowa could really excel. The "can't recruit" argument bears little weight here given how well the defense has been able to do with the recruits they've had. That and/or coaching. Offensively ??? take your pick for probable reasons.

 

[Eternal Return]

By the way, just because a poster shows an objective analysis (using stats to compare how Iowa stacks up in rankings versus other teams) that reflects the truth about Iowa's strengths and weaknesses does not mean he's being negative. When you look at the facts and see where Iowa stacks up (in addition to watching the games all those years) it's still possible to be supportive of the team. But it does put into perspective why Iowa hasn't been able to get over the hump most years. So, enjoy the games but don't expect the offense to lead the way.

And if I recall correctly, Iowa typically had very good special teams units during the 2000-2010 stretch. Much harder to judge special teams through statistics, though. There are no stats for punt returners who let the ball bounce inside the ten instead of fielding it outside the ten.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

Not sure this makes me sick as OP suggests. If I wanted to click something on the internet and get sick I'll just go watch "Two Girls One Cup" again. Sigh

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

There are some really interesting things you can start to do with the data. Some questions are objective (i.e. why as an Iowan are we ok with a defensive team where the offense struggles: my theory Iowans are a very proud, resilient, tough people generally traits you can identify with in a defense) some questions are not objective (i.e. how many more games would the team have won if they would have scored the "average" teams points from given year) the data is data. Do with it what you wish.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Lulz lucious "again"

 

[Eternal Return]

Not sure this makes me sick as OP suggests. If I wanted to click something on the internet and get sick I'll just go watch "Two Girls One Cup" again. Sigh

How does it make you feel?

 

[JayTheOkay]

The rough averages of that list are 66th ranked O and 29th ranked D.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

It basically says what we all know. We play slightly below average offense and 2.5 standard deviations above average defense.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I'm having a blast with these numbers btw. Below I will list the median points per game from that year using the number of teams from that year. My data only goes back to 2003.

2003 26.8
2004 24.6
2005 26.2
2006 23
2007 27.1
2008 24.8
2009 26.5
2010 26.2
2011 25.3
2012 28.1
2013 28.8
2014 28.3
2015 29.2
2016 28.4

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Since 2003 KF has won 113 games. If each year he would have scored the median from that year against every opponent he would have won.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Sorry had to eat

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Each year if you replace our score every game with the median ppg score from the year kf would have 134 wins right since 2003.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Again, not using "video game" numbers. Not picking a specific team "we should be like", I am taking the middle team from the year and inserting their ppgs into our ppg.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

If the Iowa defense would have let it's opponents score the median PPG from each year from 2003 until 2016 KF would have 82 wins.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

Like alot of leaders in positions of authority, you could argue the best thing KF has ever done for the program is hire good D-cords.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

If the defense were "average" and the Offense stayed the same we would have 5.85 wins a year. If the offense were "average" and the defense stayed the same we would average 9.5 wins a year(since 2003)

 

[Suterman]

I'm having a blast with these numbers btw. Below I will list the median points per game from that year using the number of teams from that year. My data only goes back to 2003.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Using the number of teams from that year? WTAF?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I'm having a blast with these numbers btw. Below I will list the median points per game from that year using the number of teams from that year. My data only goes back to 2003.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Using the number of teams from that year? WTAF?

He's basically saying if KF's offense would have scored the NCAA median avg ppg, he would have averaged 9.5 wins per season, rather than the 8 wins he actually averaged, over that time frame.

 

[dfelg11404]

Way to much logic in this thread for 99% of the posters on this site. You can throw any number of stats relevant to what Iowa and Ferentz really are and they will dismiss every single one of them. its easier if you just keep yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN" "GO WATCH THE CLOWNS IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABYSMAL OFFENSE"

 

[Hawk_4shur]

It basically says what we all know. We play slightly below average offense and 2.5 standard deviations above average defense.

Agreed. We all know that. And, your statistics support it.

Either KF's style of play (i.e. ball control, running game, control mistakes) leads to these numbers or he just sucks at offense. Three different OC's, many different position coaches and hundreds of players - the one constant is KF.

You win.

Now, let's go cheer on the Hawks to defeat our most hated rival!

 

[83Hawk]

By the way, just because a poster shows an objective analysis (using stats to compare how Iowa stacks up in rankings versus other teams) that reflects the truth about Iowa's strengths and weaknesses does not mean he's being negative. When you look at the facts and see where Iowa stacks up (in addition to watching the games all those years) it's still possible to be supportive of the team. But it does put into perspective why Iowa hasn't been able to get over the hump most years. So, enjoy the games but don't expect the offense to lead the way.

And if I recall correctly, Iowa typically had very good special teams units during the 2000-2010 stretch. Much harder to judge special teams through statistics, though. There are no stats for punt returners who let the ball bounce inside the ten instead of fielding it outside the ten.

That is because, to some posters, any hint of negativity immediately gets you called a hater or stupid. When facts are presented, they cover their ears and say “La La La”.

FACT is.....Iowa’s offense in most years is sub-par. It just is.

 

[Suterman]

That is because, to some posters, any hint of negativity immediately gets you called a hater or stupid. When facts are presented, they cover their ears and say “La La La”.

FACT is.....Iowa’s offense in most years is sub-par. It just is.

This is the truth. Iowa's defense is what keeps us in most games.

 

[Muskie5]

"If you don't like it you can go somewhere else" said every failed business ever. If you want to say the data is not reliable or valid that's one thing. If your response is "watch someone else" you are an enabler.

You're not running the 'business', lol. You're a customer. Don't like the product or service, go somewhere else. Pretty simple.
Iowa football is a 'failed' business? LOL. Their 'business' has done/is doing quite well. I can't understand people who would complain about the 'food' everyday but keep going back to the same restaurant.

And as far as your statistics, they aren't really applicable to Iowa's brand of football. They live and die on time of possession, field position, turnover margin, don't break defense, and scoring enough points to win. How they compare in 'total offense' to the rest of the country doesn't concern their coaches in the least. If you don't like this brand of football, why do you watch and why would you be a fan?

A famous coach once told me, 'statistics are for losers. The only statistic I care about is the final score'.
And if you research it, most successful coaches say/feel the same way. Do you even know why statistics even started being kept? For Bookies and gamblers. Fact. Why the NFL makes teams supply injury reports is for the same reason.

 

[Muskie5]

That is because, to some posters, any hint of negativity immediately gets you called a hater or stupid. When facts are presented, they cover their ears and say “La La La”.

FACT is.....Iowa’s offense in most years is sub-par. It just is.

 

[83Hawk]

You're not running the 'business', lol. You're a customer. Don't like the product or service, go somewhere else. Pretty simple.
Iowa football is a 'failed' business? LOL. Their 'business' has done/is doing quite well. I can't understand people who would complain about the 'food' everyday but keep going back to the same restaurant.

And as far as your statistics, they aren't really applicable to Iowa's brand of football. They live and die on time of possession, field position, turnover margin, don't break defense, and scoring enough points to win. How they compare in 'total offense' to the rest of the country doesn't concern their coaches in the least. If you don't like this brand of football, why do you watch and why would you be a fan?

A famous coach once told me, 'statistics are for losers. The only statistic I care about is the final score'.
And if you research it, most successful coaches say/feel the same way. Do you even know why statistics even started being kept? For Bookies and gamblers. Fact. Why the NFL makes teams supply injury reports is for the same reason.

Right on cue.

Belichick “told you”? LOL. Sure he did. I suppose in your mind seeing it on tv is him talking to you in person. LOL.

 

[Muskie5]

Right on cue.

Belichick “told you”? LOL. Sure he did. I suppose in your mind seeing it on tv is him talking to you in person. LOL.

Where did I say that Belichick told me? That was just a clip I found to support my statement about 'most coaches'. It was actually Lou Holtz when I went to a coaching clinic a long time ago. You're a really sad person. I feel bad for you.

 

[Muskie5]

Where did I say that Belichick told me? That was just a clip I found to support my statement about 'most coaches'. It was actually Lou Holtz when I went to a coaching clinic a long time ago. You're a really sad person. I feel bad for you.

And from most of your postsI would guess you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. You assume way too much and don't do a lot of critical thinking.

 

[nu2u]

And as far as your statistics, they aren't really applicable to Iowa's brand of football

Or, said another way, the statistics bear out that Iowa's offensive philosophy is to achieve a more equal run/pass balance with emphasis on ground control and time of possession relative to most other teams. That philosophy translates to less scoring over the course of a season.

 

[83Hawk]

Where did I say that Belichick told me? That was just a clip I found to support my statement about 'most coaches'. It was actually Lou Holtz when I went to a coaching clinic a long time ago. You're a really sad person. I feel bad for you.

Well, you said a “famous” coach told you, then posted a clip of Belichick. Your fault. You should have just said Holtz.

And then you resort to your usual personal attack. Talk about sad! LOL. I don’t feel bad for YOU. I figure you just can’t help yourself. Pity.

 

[83Hawk]

And from most of your postsI would guess you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. You assume way too much and don't do a lot of critical thinking.

Needing to resort to personal attacks in many of your posts is very telling.

At least I don’t pretend to be something I’m not.....unlike *some* people.