Young guns

[hawksense]

Just a topic for some fun debate, seeing that everyone is worked up in a lather about our newest and unproven rookies. Myself included.

Do you see any of the newbies stealing minutes or significantly replacing any of the veterans on the team?

I guess unforeseen injury would prompt an immediate effect, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I can't see Uthoff or Woodbury losing minutes because of their solid play and experience. The same could be said of Gesell and Clemmons, although if Fran and Co. want to get Williams some time, the rotation would change. Jok certainly can't play like he did down the stretch last year with a few too many turnovers and some erratic play. And Uhl isn't so experienced that he's guaranteed anything.

What do you all think? Obvs, the season is a looooong way away and this is simply discussion/

 

[gohawks7470]

One thing that could gain the newbies some minutes is going to be the lack of experience at the 4 position. Neither Uthoff or Uhl are ideally suited for that role, so I think that really leaves the door open for Wagner, Jones, and Hutton to possibly gain a starting spot or to at least see significant minutes there. We've got room for some minutes at the 2 spot coming off the bench but Moss, Ellingson, and Fleming are all natural 2s so the minutes will be very competitive to get.

 

[nu2u]

Assuming Jok moves to SF, then which player will start at SG?

To me, that's the question which implicates an expanded role for one of the newcomers IMO, namely Fleming and Moss. In addition to the two frosh, possible contenders include Ellingson and Clemmons (presuming Gesell stays at PG).

IMO, Clemmons gets the call to start SG at the start of the season but Fleming and possibly Moss will get an opportunity to make a case. Just speculation on my part but I foresee Fleming making a strong case to at least share equal time with Clemmons. Brady Ellingson would then assume the role occupied by Oglesby last year -3pt specialist off the bench and he could get significant minutes as well.

Who knows?

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

With Uthoff, Uhl and Woody taking up 65-70 of the minutes at the 4 & 5 spots. Maybe even more if Uhl improves, as we all hope. I can see Wagner & Jones taking some minutes at the 4 spot. They will have to earn it.

With Hutton being the defensively minded fella that he is, his offense seems to have something to it as well. Jok's D is suspect at best. So, there could be some minutes for Brandon there. He would be a good fit IMO. Moss could be here as well. Possibly Jones too. I think we have 15 minutes to fill when Jok is on the bench.

With Uthoff moving to the 4 and Jok moving to the 3, that will open up some time at the 2 position. This position will have the most time available for the newbs. Clemmons will start. Probably all year. But when he swings over to the PG or takes a breather, I see Fleming and Ellingson grabbing some minutes. Maybe Moss too. I think that there will be 20 minutes available here. Maybe more with Clemmons playing a good 15 minutes at the 2, and another 5-10 at the PG.

MG has the most time at the PG, of course. He will take something around 28 of the minutes. With 5-10 going to Clemmons and Williams getting the rest (in non-tight games).

Looks like I get about everyone some minutes(Baer needs to take another year to eat). So, no redshirts? I was predicting 2 redshirts in the spring. That must be the PTL effect... But a 12 deep rotation? That isn't going to work...

In tight games, I will go with Jones, Fleming and Hutton playing. That's 9 deep. I cannot see Fran going any deeper, except large leads. But we will see!

I haven't thought or talked this much basketball in the summer in YEARS! Love this team. Thank you Fran!

 

[RocknRollface]

The only guys I could see losing any minutes from where they were last year are Clemmons and Jok.

 

[icu81222]

Is Jones capable of playing the 2? It sounds like he prefers hanging out by the 3 pt line more than being inside

 

[revkev73]

We need to have the players who shoot the best, on the court the most...

We have many options it seems...let's see how it shuffles out...

You can shoot, you can play...it isn't that complicated...

 

[TopHawkeye]

We need to have the players who shoot the best, on the court the most...

We have many options it seems...let's see how it shuffles out...

You can shoot, you can play...it isn't that complicated...

Sounds like the interim coach that Norman Dale replaced. "You can't score if you don't shoot!"

 

[nu2u]

You can shoot, you can play...it isn't that complicated...

Its not that simple minded.

Playing good defense, boxing out, rebounding, setting good screens, making the right pass, not making careless turnovers, etc. There is a lot more to playing basketball than just shooting. McCaffery has shown that he will sit players if they are not playing good defense or making mental errors no matter how good they may be shooting.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Is Jones capable of playing the 2? It sounds like he prefers hanging out by the 3 pt line more than being inside

I was going to put Jones down for getting minutes at the 2, but spaced it. Someone did mention that Jones was banging down low in PTL. But that is PTL, of course. Regardless, I could see him getting minutes at the 2,3 or 4. Like most of our roster, he seems to be a multiple position player.

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't see jones as being capable of playing a gaurd spot where he would need to handle the ball against shorter quicker players.

 

[revkev73]

There is more to BB than shooting...that said, if you score more than the other team, you win...

Fran likes fast paced, running, scoring...

We need scorers...

 

[DanL53]

Just got back from the PTL. Might as well give a short report here before the long one.

Our returning six guys are going to get about 150 mpg. Woody, Uthoff and Uhl will be the 4 & 5 spots with nothing but mop up duty behind.

Jok is the three. No doubt. Backup could be anyone from Jones, Moss, Hutton. (Wagner meanwhile will fight for time at the 4 and 5.

Shooting guard will be Clemmons, or Fleming, or Ellingson, or Moss. We will NOT have a problem finding talent at this spot.

Gesell and Clemmons are the pg's. Williams, if he doesn't redshirt, will learn the point and try to grab some time at the 2 as well.

I'll give my full "report" in a bit.

 

[AirForceChiefO]

I was under the impression that Uthoff did not like playing the 4 that much (that's one reason why he left Wisconsin). He may play more 3 than 4 and we will see a little more of Uhl, Jones, Wagner, and possibly Hutton at the 4. Also, Uhl, Jones, and Wagner are likely going to collectively see about 10 minutes a game at the 5 in relief of Woody who has proven to be foul prone. Uthoff could also see some time at the 5 in a pinch. The problem with this is that we are so young, inexperienced, and undersized at the 4 and 5 when Woody is not available.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I was under the impression that Uthoff did not like playing the 4 that much (that's one reason why he left Wisconsin). He may play more 3 than 4 and we will see a little more of Uhl, Jones, Wagner, and possibly Hutton at the 4. Also, Uhl, Jones, and Wagner are likely going to collectively see about 10 minutes a game at the 5 in relief of Woody who has proven to be foul prone. Uthoff could also see some time at the 5 in a pinch. The problem with this is that we are so young, inexperienced, and undersized at the 4 and 5 when Woody is not available.

if you are talking offense...do not think of lowa's lineup as traditional...think Michigan. Uthoff will play to his same strengths as before...the difference is this. Instead of Woody/White/Uthoff on the court...as the so called front line..(5-4-3)...you are looking at Woody/Uthoff/Jok (5-4-3)...the offensive explosion of Uthoff/Jok is scary.

Uhl will backup Woody...hands down. 6'9" is one thing...but man has he got stronger..he looks big. Athletically he creates a lot of problems for some opponents traditional centers...

defensively yes we will need to go small at times...when 2 of the 3 (Woody & the U's) are not on the court and yes the candidates are inexperienced.....we are shorter but quicker & more athletic ...I like especially Hutton and his attitude about playing defense... both Wagner & Hutton are pretty well built...as far as Dale Jones (don't know) have only seen him once...offensively he can play the stretch 4 ... just not sure about his defense...yet.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Its not that simple minded.

Playing good defense, boxing out, rebounding, setting good screens, making the right pass, not making careless turnovers, etc. There is a lot more to playing basketball than just shooting. McCaffery has shown that he will sit players if they are not playing good defense or making mental errors no matter how good they may be shooting.

you will not find very many championship teams not playing well on defense...there is no excuse for good shooters not to play good D (up to their ability to do so)...playing good D,,,turning the ball over sets up your offense including getting easy transition buckets. You don't win without good D.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Just got back from the PTL. Might as well give a short report here before the long one.

Our returning six guys are going to get about 150 mpg. Woody, Uthoff and Uhl will be the 4 & 5 spots with nothing but mop up duty behind.

Jok is the three. No doubt. Backup could be anyone from Jones, Moss, Hutton. (Wagner meanwhile will fight for time at the 4 and 5.

Shooting guard will be Clemmons, or Fleming, or Ellingson, or Moss. We will NOT have a problem finding talent at this spot.

Gesell and Clemmons are the pg's. Williams, if he doesn't redshirt, will learn the point and try to grab some time at the 2 as well.

I'll give my full "report" in a bit.

Looking forward to it Dan. Thanks!

 

[RocknRollface]

Seems like everyone has differing opinions on how the whole 3/4/5 spots will go other than we know Woodbury will play as much as possible.

I doubt if Fran really knows at this point.

My guess is it will change considerably from game to game.

One thing is Woodburys D may suffer a little and that's OK because he can't be as aggressive as he could before.