Youth MMA, yay or nay?

[HawktimusPrime]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-t...ntroversial-world-of-youth-mma-084259730.html

Arrey began grappling at his father's martial arts gym as a toddler, entered his first jiu jitsu competition at age 4 and now boasts a 24-3 record in MMA bouts. His strategy entering fights is typically to ground his opponent, isolate one of his arms and lock in an arm bar, a submission hold Arrey has used to win so many fights that he has earned the nickname, "The Arm Collector."

"That's always been my favorite move ever since I started," Arrey said. "Most of the time it's just get in, take 'em down, arm bar. I like to get it done as fast as possible."

 

[22*43*51]

Doesn't say when he began striking.

Jiu Jitsu and wrestling don't involve striking.

 

[fredjr82]

Doesn't say when he began striking.

Jiu Jitsu and wrestling don't involve striking.

Fair point. What if he gets a kid in an arm bar and breaks his arm?

I wouldn't let my kids join MMA at that age, but parents are different for everyone and it sounds like his dad has an MMA gym. When you grow up around that, I would think you may tend to follow suit. Sounds like he's pretty good so if he enjoys it I don't have a problem with it.

 

[22*43*51]

Fair point. What if he gets a kid in an arm bar and breaks his arm?

I wouldn't let my kids join MMA at that age, but parents are different for everyone and it sounds like his dad has an MMA gym. When you grow up around that, I would think you may tend to follow suit. Sounds like he's pretty good so if he enjoys it I don't have a problem with it.

You can arm bar in Freestyle wrestling too. It's up to the ref to break the hold before the arm is damaged.

I would get concerned if the striking started at too young of an age.(I am not sure what that is)

 

[fredjr82]

You can arm bar in Freestyle wrestling too. It's up to the ref to break the hold before the arm is damaged.

That's correct, but more than likely at a youth wrestling tournament the referee is going to stop the match for "potentially dangerous" in that situation and probably well before it gets there. I'm not sure MMA matches take the same precaution or not.

 

[22*43*51]

That's correct, but more than likely at a youth wrestling tournament the referee is going to stop the match for "potentially dangerous" in that situation and probably well before it gets there. I'm not sure MMA matches take the same precaution or not.

True.

I pretty sure in MMA the ref waits for the tap, or the snap...

 

[cigaretteman]

Youth, adolescent or adult, nay to all three.

 

[INXS83]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-t...ntroversial-world-of-youth-mma-084259730.html

Arrey began grappling at his father's martial arts gym as a toddler, entered his first jiu jitsu competition at age 4 and now boasts a 24-3 record in MMA bouts. His strategy entering fights is typically to ground his opponent, isolate one of his arms and lock in an arm bar, a submission hold Arrey has used to win so many fights that he has earned the nickname, "The Arm Collector."

"That's always been my favorite move ever since I started," Arrey said. "Most of the time it's just get in, take 'em down, arm bar. I like to get it done as fast as possible."

Nay. Let them learn to freestyle wrestle first.

 

[ping72]

Sounds like there is no striking above the collarbone. Getting punched in the arms and chest isn't a huge deal.

I'm still probably against it. I'd be fine with just BJJ or other styles of grappling.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Youth, adolescent or adult, nay to all three.

Why?

 

[stillh8unlv]

Why?

It's NASCAR in shorts. It's a bloodsport, it's yet another nail in the coffin of western civilization.

Hyperbole, sure, but damn do I despise that 'sport'

 

[HawktimusPrime]

It's NASCAR in shorts. It's a bloodsport, it's yet another nail in the coffin of western civilization.

Hyperbole, sure, but damn do I despise that 'sport'

It's sport in its purest form, almost. You vs someone else, your skill, your strength, your win, your loss.
It's a full body commitment to training, someone could get killed, or maimed, and requires a severe mental dedication and will.

It's a sport.

 

[stillh8unlv]

It's sport in its purest form, almost. You vs someone else, your skill, your strength, your win, your loss.
It's a full body commitment to training, someone could get killed, or maimed, and requires a severe mental dedication and will.

It's a sport.

Tell me this, do you get together with a group and watch the big pay per views?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Tell me this, do you get together with a group and watch the big pay per views?

Tell me this, you do realize you have a picture of a car with the hood up? That's a sign of something, especially around here.

Here and there, yes I do. And?......

 

[stillh8unlv]

Tell me this, you do realize you have a picture of a car with the hood up? That's a sign of something, especially around here.

Here and there, yes I do. And?......

When you watch this, what is your initial, deep down gut reaction to a guy getting absolutely clocked? Say, knocked unconscious, or jaw broken, leg snapped, etc?

If there isn't a twinge of disgust, a knot in your gut kinda feeling and instead you're hollering out with excitement and dare i say cheering.....well, then and there is all I need to know about this 'sport' and the people that watch it.

Maybe you don't cheer when a guy just about gets killed, but I suspect you do.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

When you watch this, what is your initial, deep down gut reaction to a guy getting absolutely clocked? Say, knocked unconscious, or jaw broken, leg snapped, etc?

If there isn't a twinge of disgust, a knot in your gut kinda feeling and instead your hollering out with excitement and dare i say cheering.....well, then and there is all I need to know about this 'sport' and the people that watch it.

Maybe you don't cheer when a guy just about gets killed, but I suspect you do.

It's beautiful isn't it?

 

[stillh8unlv]

Your honor, I rest my case

 

[DrVenkman]

I watched the Real Sports edition which profiled War Machine and UFC. It was really eye opening. Particularly some of the stats shown about domestic violence and overall jail time.
My question is MMA the same as UFC? Is the training the same? Where do the lines intersect? I have done workouts at a local Jiu Jitsu studio and thought it was great as a workout but had no intention of fighting others in an octagon
Now I see these ads for MMA matches in an even smaller circular arena with no ropes. In order to promote more knockouts and more violence I'm guessing. This whole sport is going in a bad direction and solves for very violent and unstable individuals.

 

[Vroom_C14]

True.

I pretty sure in MMA the ref waits for the tap, or the snap...

MMA they will stop the fight if the person cannot "intelligently defend themselves" - if the guy is passing out Yves steps in and stops the fight (same for if the guys face keeps blocking the punches).

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Your honor, I rest my case

I don't get what you mean? Fighting is usually an avenue to the highest kind of honor.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Ugg no. I'm with stillh8unlv. . . I really despise MMA. Violence for the sheer sake of violence.

Certainly wouldn't let my kids get involved.

I watched the Real Sports edition which profiled War Machine and UFC. It was really eye opening. Particularly some of the stats shown about domestic violence and overall jail time.
My question is MMA the same as UFC? Is the training the same? Where do the lines intersect? I have done workouts at a local Jiu Jitsu studio and thought it was great as a workout but had no intention of fighting others in an octagon
Now I see these ads for MMA matches in an even smaller circular arena with no ropes. In order to promote more knockouts and more violence I'm guessing. This whole sport is going in a bad direction and solves for very violent and unstable individuals.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that UFC is basically the top professional organization for MMA.

 

[stillh8unlv]

I don't get what you mean? Fighting is usually an avenue to the highest kind of honor.

You said 'it's beautiful isn't it?' to my question about your gut reaction to a guy getting beat half to death. What else can be said? It's a bloodsport.

People watch NASCAR for the wrecks and MMA/UFC for the carnage - they both appeal to humans primal need for blood - I expect better from people.

Suffice to say, I'm often dissapointed.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You said 'it's beautiful isn't it?' to my question about your gut reaction to a guy getting beat half to death. What else can be said? It's a bloodsport.

People watch NASCAR for the wrecks and MMA/UFC for the carnage - they both appeal to humans primal need for blood - I expect better from people.

Suffice to say, I'm often dissapointed.

How in the world could you expect better from people?

I mean I know people should be better. But I expect most people to look for any socially acceptable excuse they can come up with to be sadistic.

Quite often I'm surprised when I find people who resist the temptation.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You said 'it's beautiful isn't it?' to my question about your gut reaction to a guy getting beat half to death. What else can be said? It's a bloodsport.

People watch NASCAR for the wrecks and MMA/UFC for the carnage - they both appeal to humans primal need for blood - I expect better from people.

Suffice to say, I'm often dissapointed.

I think you miss the point to be honest. It's competition, in a manner of which two people put everything on the line in order to prove they are the best at what they do.
It's one of the best ways to find out what you truly are and what you are truly made of. It's brutal, beautiful, and sportsmanship at one of its highest levels. No excuses, no going back, you vs. the other person, one wins, one loses.

Anybody on here, that has a problem with that, is a hypocrite automatically. Why?.....Football, tell me about football.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I watched the Real Sports edition which profiled War Machine and UFC. It was really eye opening. Particularly some of the stats shown about domestic violence and overall jail time.
My question is MMA the same as UFC? Is the training the same? Where do the lines intersect? I have done workouts at a local Jiu Jitsu studio and thought it was great as a workout but had no intention of fighting others in an octagon
Now I see these ads for MMA matches in an even smaller circular arena with no ropes. In order to promote more knockouts and more violence I'm guessing. This whole sport is going in a bad direction and solves for very violent and unstable individuals.

War Machine was a maniac way before he ever became an MMA fighter. What most people fail to realize is that MMA usually takes the fight out of you in everyday life. It also toughens you up to a point, that normal life seems easy. Similar to being a soldier. Facing violence, and dealing with it, is an avenue to relaxation of the soul.

 

[stillh8unlv]

I think you miss the point to be honest. It's competition, in a manner of which two people put everything on the line in order to prove they are the best at what they do.
It's one of the best ways to find out what you truly are and what you are truly made of. It's brutal, beautiful, and sportsmanship at one of its highest levels. No excuses, no going back, you vs. the other person, one wins, one loses.

Anybody on here, that has a problem with that, is a hypocrite automatically. Why?.....Football, tell me about football.

What are you proving you're the best at? Beating another human being to a pulp? - Well hooray for you! That's an outstanding human trait to emulate.

I agree that football has it's issues - again, I don't cheer when a guy gets blindsided and knocked unconscious, but I know plenty do and I know that there is still an underlying 'need for blood' in football.

At it's core however football is still played with an actual ball and score is kept - you get zero points for purposely hurting someone, in fact you're likely to get kicked out of the game and/or suspended - in MMA you are declared the winner for doing so.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

What are you proving you're the best at? Beating another human being to a pulp? - Well hooray for you! That's an outstanding human trait to emulate.

I agree that football has it's issues - again, I don't cheer when a guy gets blindsided and knocked unconscious, but I know plenty do and I know that there is still an underlying 'need for blood' in football.

At it's core however football is still played with an actual ball and score is kept - you get zero points for purposely hurting someone, in fact you're likely to get kicked out of the game and/or suspended - in MMA you are declared the winner for doing so.

The human instinct for violence is one of the most important instincts a human can have. Whether you like it or not, violence has been the most effective teacher and decider in the history of this world. Nature chaotic at times, and so must we be.

 

[stillh8unlv]

The human instinct for violence is one of the most important instincts a human can have. Whether you like it or not, violence has been the most effective teacher and decider in the history of this world. Nature chaotic at times, and so must we be.

Violence for the sake of violence is completely different from violence as a self preservation tool.

 

[Huey Grey]

My question is how this is MMA? Take away the strikes, armbars, and so forth, and you're no longer really doing MMA

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Violence for the sake of violence is completely different from violence as a self preservation tool.

You're correct, it's a beautiful risk when speaking in the MMA competition manner of violence. Just going around and picking on weaker individuals, or hurting people for fun is ALSO completely different.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

My question is how this is MMA? Take away the strikes, armbars, and so forth, and you're no longer really doing MMA

It's like boxing in the youth leagues. Teach them the skills and tone down the ability to strike at the head. Amateur boxing is still boxing, just as amateur MMA is still MMA.

 

[Huey Grey]

It's like boxing in the youth leagues. Teach them the skills and tone down the ability to strike at the head. Amateur boxing is still boxing, just as amateur MMA is still MMA.

Do the kids wear padded face guards for this youth MMA?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I know several people who enjoy watching it and actually have HUGE watch parties when the Pay Per View is on.

Me personally I don't watch it, as it doesn't float my boat. I have gone to some of these watch parties and they are fun. But I just don't pay much attention to it. Everyone is different and people enjoy different sports.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Do the kids wear padded face guards for this youth MMA?

Depends on the gym, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[BondHawk]

Surprised no one has posted a Venn diagram with MMA fans and pit bull owners as the sets.

Actually you don't need a Venn diagram for that I guess, just a single circle.

 

[ChrisVarick]

I watched the Real Sports edition which profiled War Machine and UFC. It was really eye opening. Particularly some of the stats shown about domestic violence and overall jail time.
My question is MMA the same as UFC? Is the training the same? Where do the lines intersect? I have done workouts at a local Jiu Jitsu studio and thought it was great as a workout but had no intention of fighting others in an octagon
Now I see these ads for MMA matches in an even smaller circular arena with no ropes. In order to promote more knockouts and more violence I'm guessing. This whole sport is going in a bad direction and solves for very violent and unstable individuals.

MMA is to UFC like football is to NFL.

 

[ping72]

Do the kids wear padded face guards for this youth MMA?

if you strike above the collarbone you get DQ'ed

 

[Big_Palooka]

I think you miss the point to be honest. It's competition, in a manner of which two people put everything on the line in order to prove they are the best at what they do.
It's one of the best ways to find out what you truly are and what you are truly made of. It's brutal, beautiful, and sportsmanship at one of its highest levels. No excuses, no going back, you vs. the other person, one wins, one loses.

Anybody on here, that has a problem with that, is a hypocrite automatically. Why?.....Football, tell me about football.

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I think how you treat others and conduct yourself in business, family, and general life is the best way to find out who you are and what you are truly made of. I am not against MMA, if people want to compete in that fine, that is their choice and I may even watch a little of it on occasion. But in my opinion, if anyone thinks that excelling at that is a great way to prove who you are, then their priorities for what is important in life are severely messed up.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

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I think how you treat others and conduct yourself in business, family, and general life is the best way to find out who you are and what you are truly made of. I am not against MMA, if people want to compete in that fine, that is their choice and I may even watch a little of it on occasion. But in my opinion, if anyone thinks that excelling at that is a great way to prove who you are, then their priorities for what is important in life are severely messed up.

It's a personal challenge, that is you pitted against someone else who has the very same goal of physically overpowering you. It's putting yourself in the face of danger and seeing how you do with it.
It's merely one avenue of self enlightenment, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Vroom_C14]

No different than TKD, Karate, Muay Thai are all taught to very young kids (mine were all in TKD at the age of 5 and worked through to various levels). There were sparring matches and competitions that we attended as well as the testing for levels that included striking an opponent. They learned at a young age how to defend themselves AS WELL AS how to de-escalate situations. In fact our instructor (in IC) was strict on never starting a fight and to only use defense as a last resort.

MMA has essentially replaced pro boxing.