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@GoHawks1996 Is slaying idiots in this thread. Nailing it.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past, sadly. Also, two things can be true: the punishment doesn’t fit the crime yet this is still no fault but the athletes. They knew the rule and didn’t think they’d get caught. But they did.
Slaying idiots? Do you even realize nothing you said in your response applies to said "idiots". I see NO ONE saying they aren't 100% personally responsible. No one is even hinting at it being any one but the athletes faults.

The keyboard warriors that act like a judge with an iron fist on social media are beyond laughable. You knew the rule,so too bad for you, is such a weak minded argument. It isn't nearly that absolute. If we were arguing there should be no punishment, then you would actually be correct. However, I don't think one person has. The simple, inarguable truth is, losing an entire season, or for all of the Iowa guys, the rest of their careers, is a comically ridiculous punishment for what they did.

Take Vodka's example: Which is worse, driving drunk into a Taco Bell or gambling a few dollars on an Women's Basketball Game? One ended several guys' careers, while the other was a several mid-season matches suspension. I would be willing to bet nearly all people asked that don't know anything about either situation and were removed from college athletics ,would guess the opposite in both situations...would that make them idiots as well?
 
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This isn't "real life" though. This is college athletics. They are held to a higher standard than your average Joe.

When you have the privilege of being a D1 athlete, you agree to a different set of rules than the average college student/person. One of those rules is not gambling.

Just like drinking in highschool is pretty much a non-issue for non-athletes, but if you get caught as an athlete you're losing a season of eligibility.
You don't lose a season of eligibility for getting caught drinking in high school. If you are a multiple time offender you probably will, but not for the first time.
 
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Has the media started asking the right questions to the right people yet or is this officially dead?

They had no search warrants. The geofence was to be used to monitor their own employees. The state had no right to use the casino’s infrastructure. The real crime is what the state did and not these kids laying 20 dollar bets.

The DCI continues to say it’s an open investigation, yet the director of the Iowa gaming commission bolts for another job in the middle of an investigation? Something stinks here, but we already knew that
 
Quite frankly it's absurd that you think the people making these arguments are "idiots".



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1. The wrestlers did something they knew was against the rules so they should be punished with a multiple date suspension.
2. The year long ban, which amounted to a career ending ban for most, is ridiculous and that isn't really debatable.
3. The DCI investigation did just as much wrong as the wrestlers. What will their punishment be?
4. The NCAA and it's enforcement of the rules is a joke, and to say that all their rules enforcement decisions are to protect the integrity of the sports is an even bigger joke.
5. This situation has me seeing both sides of the arguments in this thread and I think both sides are mostly correct in their opinions.
6. That is my opinion, but we all know what they say about opinions and I'm 83% sure the NCAA could not care less about mine or anyone else's opinion on this matter.
 
You don't lose a season of eligibility for getting caught drinking in high school. If you are a multiple time offender you probably will, but not for the first time.
Multiple people have now said this. I must be mistaken here.

Maybe I always just considered it a full season suspension because our baseball coach made it clear that if you missed half the season or whatever for a code then you might as well not come back.
 
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Multiple people have now said this. I must be mistaken here.

Maybe I always just considered it a full season suspension because our baseball coach made it clear that if you missed half the season or whatever for a code then you might as well not come back.
That is different. As the Head Coach, you can change the rules and standards quite a bit. Our baseball coach had a no spring break or no baseball. Needless to say, I went on spring break my senior year...
 
This is roughly what our school follows. I have also seen kids game the system. Get caught for the second time and have a half season suspension, so they go out for a sport they don't normally do and serve the suspension in that sport. Kinda defeats the purpose and the lesson, but what do I know.
That third sentence is exactly what a lot of kids do these days. I've seen it multiple times, and it's not exactly new. When my oldest son was in HS in the '90s, a State Champion wrestler got busted for drinking and fighting a week before the State tournament and was allowed to take his suspension at the beginning of track season so it didn't interfere with State or with baseball, which was his second main sport
 
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Slaying idiots? Do you even realize nothing you said in your response applies to said "idiots". I see NO ONE saying they aren't 100% personally responsible. No one is even hinting at it being any one but the athletes faults.

The keyboard warriors that act like a judge with an iron fist on social media are beyond laughable. You knew the rule,so too bad for you, is such a weak minded argument. It isn't nearly that absolute. If we were arguing there should be no punishment, then you would actually be correct. However, I don't think one person has. The simple, inarguable truth is, losing an entire season, or for all of the Iowa guys, the rest of their careers, is a comically ridiculous punishment for what they did.

Take Vodka's example: Which is worse, driving drunk into a Taco Bell or gambling a few dollars on an Women's Basketball Game? One ended several guys' careers, while the other was a several mid-season matches suspension. I would be willing to bet nearly all people asked that don't know anything about either situation and were removed from college athletics ,would guess the opposite in both situations...would that make them idiots as well?
does the NCAA ever suspend guys for drinking and driving? usually that's a team punishment, not an NCAA punishment.

someone else mentioned harbaugh...his 3 game suspension was from the big ten, not the NCAA. they're still investigating...

comparing punishments handed out by different organizations (team vs conference vs NCAA) doesn't make sense to me
 
What if the punishment were a life sentence or the death penalty? Take it to the extreme as a thought exercise and then you can understand the outrage. Things aren't as simple as "the penalty was clearly defined, they should have known better".

Yes, the wrestlers ****ed up and broke the rule. Yes, the penalty is still egregious and deserves ridicule despite the fact that it was a clearly defined rule and the athletes were wrong to violate it.

And if the NCAA is going to harshly rule against the athletes in defense of fair competition, then why are they not diligently drug testing for PEDs or diligently checking for other compliance violations beyond relying solely on schools to self report. It's a sham.
the easiest answer to your question at the end is "because the schools don't want them to"

NCAA is basically a collection of reps from the member schools...those reps establish policies and select leadership

so if the schools wanted their athletes tested all the time and more diligent monitoring, that's what would happen.
 
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