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No thoughts, no prayers

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Nah, I don’t care about the mass shooting.

This latest crop of gunfire victims leave me completely unmoved.

I know nothing about them and am indifferent to the tragedy, to the lives cut down in a hail of bullets. I don’t feel sorry for them. don’t want to know their names or see their faces. I’m not expressing any thoughts or prayers, no sympathy extended to their families.




In fact, were they to hear from me today, as I write this, they would not welcome my condolences, even though I would be the very first to reach out to them. Doing so would only leave them confused, even frightened.

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Nor do I care about the reasons the killer did what he did. Terrorism? Mental illness? Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. The breathless wait for a “motive.” As if that matters to the dead or anybody else. The only reason we want to know what prompted the murderer to pull the trigger is so we can dismiss the whole thing even faster than we already do, which is plenty fast.

I’m not even curious about the kind of gun, though it doesn’t take a genius to assume it’s another assault rifle, because it always is. That’s what these guns are made for, to mow down many people quickly.

Yet we’re always surprised when they do. Or at least we pretend to be. We put these guns in the hands of millions of people. Then press our palms to our cheeks when they use them. Pathetic.


To summarize: Don’t know anything about the shooting, its location, how many victims or who they are, who the shooter is or why he — it’s always a he — did it.

I don’t know because I can’t know, since I’m writing this not in the aftermath of the recent atrocity, as is custom. But before, on April 9, 2021. To prepare for the inevitable.

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As I type, the victims-to-be are still going about their lives. Their as-yet-uncrushed loved ones have not seen the initial bulletin, felt the sinking dread, frantically tried to find out, learned the awful news and been stunned, stupefied, devastated.

I’d warn them, but I don’t know who they will be. They could be anybody. Could be me. Or you — well, not you, since you’re reading this. You were lucky. This time.



Journalism is a kabuki, a stylized form, the telling of the same story again and again. So please forgive me for trying to experiment within the confines of a long established tradition, the ritual post-slaughter hand-wringing.

I’ve been writing about gun violence since Laurie Dann shot up Hubbard Woods Elementary School in Winnetka in 1988. After 35 years of doing this, I think I’m entitled to play with the conventions. Surely you can’t demand that I respect the not-yet-dead. Congress sure doesn’t.

Writing beforehand is freeing. You can’t criticize me — if you say it’s unfeeling toward those who will be sacrificed at the altar of the American Gun Fantasy, then what about you? What have you done to try to save them? How did you try to stop this madness? Nothing. What will you do? Nothing. So save your griping. At least I raised my voice, hoarse from overuse as it is.

And no, I’m not advocating stronger gun laws. I’d settle with more education — even though that is also a tough sell. People should know, you buy a gun, it multiplies the chances you will shoot yourself, or your children will shoot themselves, or each other, or you.


Getting the drop on a bad guy coming through the window is a freakish rarity among those who mistook Clint Eastwood movies for documentaries. The best that can be said for gun ownership is, it makes terrified people less afraid. A metal teddy bear with bullets.

Well, my space is up. Time to set this aside and wait for the right killing, when I’ll crack my knuckles and press “Submit for approval.” My work done! Thank you, crazy shooter person for making my day a little easier — I mean, why should gun companies and Republican politicians be the only ones to benefit from mass shootings?

Heartless? Sure. But nothing compared to having the power to do something to curb gun violence and instead doing nothing. That takes a level of callousness I just can’t imagine. And I have a pretty good imagination.

 
Nah, I don’t care about the mass shooting.

This latest crop of gunfire victims leave me completely unmoved.

I know nothing about them and am indifferent to the tragedy, to the lives cut down in a hail of bullets. I don’t feel sorry for them. don’t want to know their names or see their faces. I’m not expressing any thoughts or prayers, no sympathy extended to their families.




In fact, were they to hear from me today, as I write this, they would not welcome my condolences, even though I would be the very first to reach out to them. Doing so would only leave them confused, even frightened.

Opinion​

Nor do I care about the reasons the killer did what he did. Terrorism? Mental illness? Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. The breathless wait for a “motive.” As if that matters to the dead or anybody else. The only reason we want to know what prompted the murderer to pull the trigger is so we can dismiss the whole thing even faster than we already do, which is plenty fast.

I’m not even curious about the kind of gun, though it doesn’t take a genius to assume it’s another assault rifle, because it always is. That’s what these guns are made for, to mow down many people quickly.

Yet we’re always surprised when they do. Or at least we pretend to be. We put these guns in the hands of millions of people. Then press our palms to our cheeks when they use them. Pathetic.


To summarize: Don’t know anything about the shooting, its location, how many victims or who they are, who the shooter is or why he — it’s always a he — did it.

I don’t know because I can’t know, since I’m writing this not in the aftermath of the recent atrocity, as is custom. But before, on April 9, 2021. To prepare for the inevitable.

Related


As I type, the victims-to-be are still going about their lives. Their as-yet-uncrushed loved ones have not seen the initial bulletin, felt the sinking dread, frantically tried to find out, learned the awful news and been stunned, stupefied, devastated.

I’d warn them, but I don’t know who they will be. They could be anybody. Could be me. Or you — well, not you, since you’re reading this. You were lucky. This time.



Journalism is a kabuki, a stylized form, the telling of the same story again and again. So please forgive me for trying to experiment within the confines of a long established tradition, the ritual post-slaughter hand-wringing.

I’ve been writing about gun violence since Laurie Dann shot up Hubbard Woods Elementary School in Winnetka in 1988. After 35 years of doing this, I think I’m entitled to play with the conventions. Surely you can’t demand that I respect the not-yet-dead. Congress sure doesn’t.

Writing beforehand is freeing. You can’t criticize me — if you say it’s unfeeling toward those who will be sacrificed at the altar of the American Gun Fantasy, then what about you? What have you done to try to save them? How did you try to stop this madness? Nothing. What will you do? Nothing. So save your griping. At least I raised my voice, hoarse from overuse as it is.

And no, I’m not advocating stronger gun laws. I’d settle with more education — even though that is also a tough sell. People should know, you buy a gun, it multiplies the chances you will shoot yourself, or your children will shoot themselves, or each other, or you.


Getting the drop on a bad guy coming through the window is a freakish rarity among those who mistook Clint Eastwood movies for documentaries. The best that can be said for gun ownership is, it makes terrified people less afraid. A metal teddy bear with bullets.

Well, my space is up. Time to set this aside and wait for the right killing, when I’ll crack my knuckles and press “Submit for approval.” My work done! Thank you, crazy shooter person for making my day a little easier — I mean, why should gun companies and Republican politicians be the only ones to benefit from mass shootings?

Heartless? Sure. But nothing compared to having the power to do something to curb gun violence and instead doing nothing. That takes a level of callousness I just can’t imagine. And I have a pretty good imagination.

As those living in Chicago say - " It is what it is" and they just move on.
 
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Europe wasn't atheist until the last few decades.

Atheistnregimes like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union provide guides.
And the last few decades haven’t see this level of violence in Europe. So, how does that support your argument? And do you really want to discuss atrocities done in the name of religion, e.g., papal inquisitions?

The fact is the common denominator is assiduous devotion to perverse dogma and ideology—something Nazi Germany and communist Russia had in common with religious fundamentalism.

None, of that, however, is relevant to mass shootings in America.
 
And the last few decades haven’t see this level of violence in Europe. So, how does that support your argument? And do you really want to discuss atrocities done in the name of religion, e.g., papal inquisitions?

The fact is the common denominator is assiduous devotion to perverse dogma and ideology—something Nazi Germany and communist Russia had in common with religious fundamentalism.

None, of that, however, is relevant to mass shootings in America.

Nazi Germany and Communism were atheist ideologies. Hitler, Stalin and Lenin were atheists.

America obviously has a gun problem. America has many, many problems.

I gave my view earlier in the thread.
 
Europe wasn't atheist until the last few decades.

Atheist regimes like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union provide guides.

Germany remained a predominately a Christian nation in WW2. Nazism was a party.
 
Germany remained a predominately a Christian nation in WW2. Nazism was a party.

Nazism was an atheist movement.

I was a history major focusing on WW2 and Hitler was definitely an atheist. He hated Christianity because of it's Jewish roots.

He left Church as a teenager and never went back. He persecuted the Churches. He planned on destroying Christianity in Europe after the war and replacing it with National Socialism.

Hitler told his secretary Traudl Junge that he didn't belong to a church, that humans were just an advanced type of animal and that Christianity was outdated and hypocritical. His references to God and "providence" were rhetorical.

He also told his valet Heinz Linge that once a person was dead they were "finished." No afterlife.

That sounds like an atheist to me.
 
Nazism was a party.
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Nazism was an atheist movement.

I was a history major focusing on WW2 and Hitler was definitely an atheist. He hated Christianity because of it's Jewish roots.

He left Church as a teenager and never went back. He persecuted the Churches. He planned on destroying Christianity in Europe after the war and replacing it with National Socialism.

Hitler told his secretary Traudl Junge that he didn't belong to a church, that humans were just an advanced type of animal and that Christianity was outdated and hypocritical. His references to God and "providence" were rhetorical.

He also told his valet Heinz Linge that once a person was dead they were "finished." No afterlife.

That sounds like an atheist to me.

Of course, Nazism is atheistic. I'm talking Germany as a nation. The people of Germany. I have studied World War 2 history for 40 years and still do. From a philosophical well as military history perspectives. From Axis and Allied perspectives to eliminate American bias, which I found is a major distortion.

Such as Germany was an atheistic country in World War 2. Christianity was a fulcrum used to weaponize the German population against the Jews.
 
Of course, Nazism is atheistic. I'm talking Germany as a nation. The people of Germany. I have studied World War 2 history for 40 years and still do. From a philosophical well as military history perspectives. From Axis and Allied perspectives to eliminate American bias, which I found is a major distortion.

Such as Germany was an atheistic country in World War 2. Christianity was a fulcrum used to weaponize the German population against the Jews.

Nazism was the thrust that caused WW2, obviously.

The Nazis also persecuted Churches.

 
Nazi Germany and Communism were atheist ideologies. Hitler, Stalin and Lenin were atheists.

America obviously has a gun problem. America has many, many problems.

I gave my view earlier in the thread.
But both still had a dogma and ideology atheists in general don’t.

I understand the point you’re making, though, and to a small extent agree with it.
 
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But both still had a dogma and ideology atheists in general don’t.

I understand the point you’re making, though, and to a small extent agree with it.

Yeah.

Atheism leads to nihilism and narcissism. Read Nietszche, Schopenhauer and Sartre if you haven't already.
 
Just chiming in to say a person doesn't have to believe in, or follow a religion to be a good person. Religion has nothing to do with the shit going on right now. We just have way too many shitty people in this country, and a good chunk of those shitty people believe in "God".
 
You can get a lot more recent than that to catalogue atrocities committed by The Church.

I focus on the divine aspect of the Church like the Sacraments instead of the human aspect like the members. The members are basically irrelevant to me; some are saints and some are evil, just like every other group.

Of course, if I witness evil, I will call 911.
 
Just who is "The Church" asking for a friend?
Depends who you ask.

According to a guy who came to my door last week, it’s the church that believes Jesus already came back in the form of a Korean man who died in the 1980s.

The baptists and Catholics probably have a different view.
 
Just chiming in to say a person doesn't have to believe in, or follow a religion to be a good person. Religion has nothing to do with the shit going on right now. We just have way too many shitty people in this country, and a good chunk of those shitty people believe in "God".
No religion is as violent and blood thirsty as Islam, murder is just part of their religious day to day activities.
 
Nazism was an atheist movement.

I was a history major focusing on WW2 and Hitler was definitely an atheist. He hated Christianity because of it's Jewish roots.

He left Church as a teenager and never went back. He persecuted the Churches. He planned on destroying Christianity in Europe after the war and replacing it with National Socialism.

Hitler told his secretary Traudl Junge that he didn't belong to a church, that humans were just an advanced type of animal and that Christianity was outdated and hypocritical. His references to God and "providence" were rhetorical.

He also told his valet Heinz Linge that once a person was dead they were "finished." No afterlife.

That sounds like an atheist to me.
But that Ark of the Covenant and Holy Grail doe.
 
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Careful there. Many "Nazi" members including military personnel continued practicing their faiths, including Catholics. The Catholic Church recently admitted collusion with the Nazi party in the holocaust.

https://time.com/6270677/catholic-church-holocaust-documents/

I've read that.

Keep in mind the Pope wasn't a military leader and his job wasn't to end Nazism. He couldn't have done that even though he wanted to.

99% of articles in America today about the Catholic Church are negative because we live in an atheist country.

That being said, Pope Pius saved at least 200,000 Jews behind the scenes. The Nazis had the lowest support in Germany in Catholic areas.

Hitler, Goebbels, Bormann, Rosenberg and Goering were all atheists or occultists. So was Mussolini for that matter.

Their plan was to destroy Christianity after the war and replace it with National Socialism. Hitler was their Messiah.


 
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I've read that.

Keep in mind the Pope wasn't a military leader and his job wasn't to end Nazism. He couldn't have done that even though he wanted to.

99% of articles in America today about the Catholic Church are negative because we live in an atheist country.

That being said, Pope Pius saved at least 200,000 Jews behind the scenes. The Nazis had the lowest support in Germany in Catholic areas.

Hitler, Goebbels, Bormann, Rosenberg and Goering were all atheists or occultists. So was Mussolini for that matter.

Their plan was to destroy Christianity after the war and replace it with National Socialism. Hitler was their Messiah.



Doesn't address the Catholic Church's assistance in protecting and preventing persecutions and the shadowing of the holocaust in the early years when any difference could have mattered.

This will go around in circles, is not a religion-based debate and I will not be drawn into such. I find few names associated with the worst of the atrocities who disassociated with their faith(s) and found some that continued observing theirs.

Heydrich, the ultimate diabolic purveyor of sinister evil was Catholic but pragmatic. He participated in Church rituals for family and friend matters, yet designed the Final Solution. He took over from Goring the SS Eisengruppen (the SS as a whole), established the 6 death camps in Poland, and supporting infrastructure.

He was more than willing to lop off the heads of all the humans occupying the Vatican. He had no moral compass or sense of civility. He belonged in Hitler's circle.
 
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Doesn't address the Catholic Church's assistance in protecting and preventing persecutions and the shadowing of the holocaust in the early years when any difference could have mattered.

This will go around in circles, is not a religion-based debate and I will not be drawn into such. I find few names associated with the worst of the atrocities who disassociated with their faith(s) and found some that continued observing theirs.

Heydrich, the ultimate diabolic purveyor of sinister evil was Catholic but pragmatic. He participated in Church rituals for family and friend matters, yet designed the Final Solution. He took over from Goring the SS Eisengruppen (the SS as a whole), established the 6 death camps in Poland, and supporting infrastructure.

He was more than willing to lop off the heads of all the humans occupying the Vatican. He had no moral compass or sense of civility. He belonged in Hitler's circle.

When Church leaders did speak out publicly, the Nazis responded by killing clergy like Edith Stein. It was a terrible balance beam.

Of course, some Catholics went along with the Nazis but it wasn't wholesale assistance as our culture portrays.

If Heydrich died in unrepentant mortal sin, he would go to permanent Hell under Catholic doctrine even if he was a practicing Catholic; same with other Nazis.

I focus on the divine aspect of the Church like the Sacraments instead of the human aspect like the members. The members are basically irrelevant to me; some are saints and some are evil, just like every other group.

If I wanted to avoid bad people, I'd never leave my house.

 
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