I'm liking vhsalum's "like" of your post
Welp….
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I know vhsalum from the OSU message board and he has very good takes. He is completely correct. If Coleman and staff would have been our coaches for next 15 years, we would have been elated. It was unfortunate what happened and some lucky teams will get them.
Actually I think you guys got lucky with how it all went down. That's not to say that the old staff wouldn't have been good but what you got was better. Don't mourn the loss.
I do agree. It was a no-brainer. Good for the AD for making it happen. DT was Cael’s most likely replacement. It is nice to have some fresh blood. Kind of like Iowa has been experiencing that I have read on their board. I know exactly how you guys feel, OSU likes to keep all their hires in house as well, from the Smith tree. This definitely took me by surprise.
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What I find funny is the Gilman hate at OSU. He is going to be the first coach poached by another school. I’d lock him down with a prohibitive salary. DT had the pick of the litter and selected Gilman. That says a lot.
I know. There are a ton of people that are sore over the Gilman hiring. Lol. I think it’s great. As far as I’m concerned, it’s water under the bridge. Guys can get into a fight and turn around and be best friends.
DT brought the United Nations to OSU. Illinois, Iowa, and PSU. Eventually I think Cornell. New ideas. Great energy.. Cael’s replacement might be on the team today.
Let’s be clear, here. It’s not like DT traveled the world to find these guys. They were all in the same PSU room with him for a while now. It’s cool that they all wrestled for different schools, but let’s not twist the narrative too far…
I guess you missed my point, or are just being argumentative. AGAIN. By coming from different schools, OSUs new staff have been exposed to an array of different coaching styles and techniques. So let's try not to twist the narrative too far from the intent of my post. I think everyone, including you, got my original point. Maybe you're going after the highest total post count on a wrestling board. If so, carry on.
My solution would be to get rid of the admin. Operations (ie coaching) needs people who speak their mind and the rank and file appreciates that as opposed to the prim and proper admin. I've found that the outspoken go-getter can be somewhat trained to control themselves while the suits can not be trained to drop the veil.
Teaching different styles and techniques? Where exactly did they teach these "different" techniques? The literal point is that they had all been indoctrinated at PSU BEFORE leaving. I am not in any way being argumentative. I am simply stating an inarguable FACT.
The narrative that they are all just coming from drastically different places with a completely different set of techniques and teaching skills simply is NOT true. They are all coming from PSU after spending 3 or more seasons there.
If DT had grabbed Kennedy right from Illinois, or even Northwestern, or Gilman straight from Iowa, I would 100% agree. But, that is very far from the case...
Where you competed is probably the biggest factor in terms of your thoughts on training modalities.
So while I get your point that they were all at PSU for a bit. It really does matter that they weren't indoctrinated with the same philosophy for their formative years.
Thomas is still as Iowa as it gets. he's a TNT clone, but has learned a bit more in terms of not just going hard in training and actually incorporating scrambling.
Jimmy wrestled for an Illinois squad that actually had a good coach (mark johnson). Spent time training at Michigan when Hrovat had them humming (you wanna talk about a dude with some weird training beliefs) and coached at a program with far less (northwestern).
If/when Dake shows up - that's a dude that's coached himself since he graduated college. Has some very distinct things that he believes in.
So other than DT, your talking about 2 guys that only spent some "professional" years at PSU. For instance, even if we've been in a place our entire adult lives - if it's different from where we grew up/were raised, none of would say we are FROM that place.
Long way of saying - they all trained in different places as collegiate competitors and that matters.
I wasn't saying that it doesn't matter at all. But, where you were at last is almost always the most influential. Especially as successful as PSU has been.
But, the real reason this is something I am pushing back against, is because it is being pushed harder here SPECIFICALLY because it IS a dig at Iowa keeping everything in house. It "acts" like DT is being so innovative by grabbing guys from across the country, but they are actually just following him from the same room.
As far as where you competed goes, how you actually learned how to coach can be drastically different. In fact, many of the best coaches should, and often do, learn how to teach much different styles than how they wrestled. Teaching kids to excel and maximize their own skill set vs. trying to clone them into your own.
Finally, the best coaches almost always are students of the sport. Even those that were only at one program have been involved in enough camps, seminars and competitions to learn how to teach a huge variety of techniques. Some may be too stubborn and stick with what they like best for too long, but the narrative that you can't teach a huge variety by only being from one program simply is not accurate....
I don't think this conversation would be happening if ps1985 didn't make the statement "DT brought the United Nations to OSU." The United Nations of Iowa, Illinois and psu, lol.
Sure it would. MSU likes to read his posts regardless of what someone writes.
Lol, I often do not even proofread my posts before posting. Your narrative was asinine and I made sure to say so. Nothing more, nothing less...
Thank you for admitting I was right. I was really starting to wonder, but I am now hopeful you can be saved!
Whose narrative is this?
Always with the hyperbole.
Certainly being exposed to diverse approaches, as a student of the game, makes it more likely that one can teach a huge variety.
As such, some may take your hyperbole about other people's narrative as a dig at Iowa's present assistant coaches.
You definitely have a tendency to be disingenuous, but this may very well be your "masterpiece"...
People like yourself who are never wrong should never be wondering. You already know you're right. I was simply acknowledging your superiority in every subject matter discussed on the internet. Do you mind sharing a pic of the monument erected in your honor?
Oh, make no mistake, I am wrong plenty. Just not when it comes to your PSU slanted posts on an Iowa message board.
As far as monuments in my honor goes:
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The literal opposite man. Other than sarcasm, which I try to make VERY obvious, I am about as straightforward as it gets. Which is why I truly enjoy trolling you guys so much. Every time you respond or like a dissenting post, it brings pure joy to my day.
In fact, I have to say thank you. Without you, this board would be much less entertaining for me!
And to bring joy to others is one of my favorite things. So consider our relationship symbiotic.
PS - I have read your above sentiment several times before, which shouldn't surprise anyone, given your penchant to repeat yourself and your professed role for me as your designated stalker.
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But you are a designated stalker. He said it and he is never wrong. Just man up and accept the truth.
You often seem a bit lost in our exchanges, so I am sorry if I feel the need to repeat myself to you. I want you to really embrace my sincerity and I want to make sure I HAMMER it home during our correspondence.
IF ((GIA_Poster.Skim_all_GIA_threads == TRUE) AND
(GIA-Poster.Have_@MSU158_on_Ignore == FALSE))
THEN
GIA_Poster.Is_MSU158_Stalker = TRUE;
ENDIFI believe that may be part of the algorithm.
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I believe most feel it's more akin to Chinese Water Torture (no offense intended to the Chinese).
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If you are going to quote him twice it is only fair you answer him twice!
calm down Francis, dont go postal.
I'll give you that. That was funny. I wonder which one (or both) peed themselves.
ok st griping about Gilman?
Sounds like they don’t know how lucky they got.
I’m sure Coleman would have gotten them top 10 top 5 again but they were never seeing titles again.
Now, it’s game on.
So shut up and eat.
Sounds like they don’t know how lucky they got.
I’m sure Coleman would have gotten them top 10 top 5 again but they were never seeing titles again.
Now, it’s game on.
So shut up and eat.
Gilman told Smith to F off 8 years ago in a heated handshake after a dual meet. Time to move on and most have.ok st griping about Gilman?
Sounds like they don’t know how lucky they got.
I’m sure Coleman would have gotten them top 10 top 5 again but they were never seeing titles again.
Now, it’s game on.
So shut up and eat.
BINGO,
Long arms, big hands and GRIP! If all things are fairly equal I would recruit the athletes with these attributes first.
Take a look at all of the most elite wrestlers, 83% of them have these common denominators. I am dead serious when I say, if I was a recruiter I would have a tape measure and a gripper with me on the recruiting trail and visits!
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Grip in wrestling is huge and seldom discussed. They used to say that Danny Hodge's grip was like a vise. When he grabbed someone, they couldn't get away unless he allowed it.
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