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‘Good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs away

I value life. Look, who hasn't figured out to manipulate the justice system, police and insurance companies? No criminal can manipulate Billy Bob and they realize there is a real chance of death if they want to commit their crimes. That changes people pretty quick.

If you were being car jacked by a guy with a gun and you had the option to shoot him, what would you do?

I'd give him my car, and get the hell away from him and his gun as soon as possible. I don't want to die, which the chances of go up, considerably, if I were to pull a gun on him. And I don't want him to die. Same thing if I was being mugged or someone was breaking into my home. All that stuff can be replaced. My life can't.

I also would not support you (or some other random vigilante) shooting someone who was car-jacking me.

The only time you'd get me to pull the trigger on another human being is if I'm in war, or my life was truly hanging in the balance (as in their motivation was to kill me, not steal some material possession of mine).

I realize the world is a tough place and sometimes, the car jacker or mugger might shoot me too. I just think the chances of me getting shot are a hell of a lot less if I comply with the mugger/jacker, leave the situation as quickly as possible, and then call the cops. Most people don't want to kill others. There are obviously exceptions, and frankly, if someone wants to kill me, I don't think me owning/carrying a gun will stop them.
 
I'd give him my car, and get the hell away from him and his gun as soon as possible. I don't want to die, which the chances of go up, considerably, if I were to pull a gun on him. And I don't want him to die. Same thing if I was being mugged or someone was breaking into my home. All that stuff can be replaced. My life can't.

I also would not support you (or some other random vigilante) shooting someone who was car-jacking me.

The only time you'd get me to pull the trigger on another human being is if I'm in war, or my life was truly hanging in the balance (as in their motivation was to kill me, not steal some material possession of mine).

I realize the world is a tough place and sometimes, the car jacker or mugger might shoot me too. I just think the chances of me getting shot are a hell of a lot less if I comply with the mugger/jacker, leave the situation as quickly as possible, and then call the cops. Most people don't want to kill others. There are obviously exceptions, and frankly, if someone wants to kill me, I don't think me owning/carrying a gun will stop them.

As I said, I don't WANT to kill others. We agree and completely disagree all in the same sentence.

What surprises me is you would rather take your chances with a nut job that is willing to rob or possibly kill you, as opposed to a courageous hero running to your rescue? I swear people are more worried about the scum of our society than honest, decent people. I'm glad I'll never have to be in a foxhole with you.
 
Fascinating observation as usual soup. Since the "champion of the poor" is in quotes I imagine you think I wrote that somewhere and you can cite it? No? We'll move on. Aside from not being a violent anarchist like you, what evidence do you have that I support corporatism or the MIC? More imaginary quotes I assume? Forget it, it's Friday, climb back into the bottle.
 
Except I'm not. You're advocating that it's better that more of us are armed, rather than less of us, by saying that the ratio of dead "criminals" would be higher than the dead "innocents."

The original point was the more that we create a vigilante society, the more we can expect stories such as this one. Most of us don't want that, even if we support things like what Gimmered posted, which I liked, because, well, if we're going to have guns, I like the idea of doing it responsibly.

Try to keep up.
Like I said, you are lost. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of his "non relevant point". That's not advocating anything.

Reading your posts below, you are advocating being a victim. You sir, are a pussy. Have some balls and stand up for your belongings that, hopefully, you earned. If a guy pulls a gun on me for my car, I'm not going to put all the decision making in this guys hands that obviously is bad at decision making. You don't know if he plans on killing you anyways. The pussification of some people amazes me.
 
Like I said, you are lost. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of his "non relevant point". That's not advocating anything.

Reading your posts below, you are advocating being a victim. You sir, are a pussy. Have some balls and stand up for your belongings that, hopefully, you earned. If a guy pulls a gun on me for my car, I'm not going to put all the decision making in this guys hands that obviously is bad at decision making. You don't know if he plans on killing you anyways. The pussification of some people amazes me.

Lol. Ok internet tough guy.

Grow up, and be an adult. You get one life. I will take my chances that the police will find my car, or that my insurance company will replace it for me, rather than my ability to somehow pull out a gun and shoot someone who is holding a gun to my person.

And I say this as someone who once had a gun pulled on them over a dime bag. So, maybe, just maybe, I have a more informed view on someone's behavior when they have a weapon pointed at them in a situation like this, than you?

Also, weren't you the one that just the other day took offense to me calling your guns "penis compensation machines"? Because, you're not helping your case with this post, big fella...
 
As I said, I don't WANT to kill others. We agree and completely disagree all in the same sentence.

What surprises me is you would rather take your chances with a nut job that is willing to rob or possibly kill you, as opposed to a courageous hero running to your rescue? I swear people are more worried about the scum of our society than honest, decent people. I'm glad I'll never have to be in a foxhole with you.

Yes. I would much rather. People, even people trying to rob you, generally speaking, do not want to kill others. They want your crap. Some cowboy Joe isn't a sure thing to disable the car jacker with one shot, and then what? He's pissed off, his adrenaline is going crazy, he acts irrationally and shoots me? Great.

The foxhole comment is idiotic. We're talking about our civilized world here, not 1944 in Europe. And we should act that way, right? You're just illustrating my comment. You shouldn't have the "who would I want in a foxhole with me?" attitude, because, well, we don't live in foxholes.

And I am not saying others should turn and run away. There are other ways to help others and disengage tense situations than pulling a gun, let alone actually firing a gun at a human being.
 
Lol. Ok internet tough guy.

Grow up, and be an adult. You get one life. I will take my chances that the police will find my car, or that my insurance company will replace it for me, rather than my ability to somehow pull out a gun and shoot someone who is holding a gun to my person.

And I say this as someone who once had a gun pulled on them over a dime bag. So, maybe, just maybe, I have a more informed view on someone's behavior when they have a weapon pointed at them in a situation like this, than you?

Also, weren't you the one that just the other day took offense to me calling your guns "penis compensation machines"? Because, you're not helping your case with this post, big fella...
Either it wasn't me or I didn't read it because that doesn't ring a bell.

So you're telling me that you are going to take your chance with a guy holding a gun to your head to make the decision whether you get to live or not? Seems smart.
 
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Either it wasn't me or I didn't read it because that doesn't ring a bell.

So you're telling me that you are going to take your chance with a guy holding a gun to your head to make the decision whether you get to live or not? Seems smart.


And you're gonna somehow pull a gun from, I guess somewhere, and manage to kill him?

Yes. People who are car-jacking you aren't generally looking to kill you. That's not their primary objective. That's why every police force in America will advise you to give anyone car-jacking or mugging you whatever they want.

And I certainly don't want some outside actor interjecting themselves into the situation, agitating the person holding a gun to my head, because he has a new gun he wants to show off.
 
Either it wasn't me or I didn't read it because that doesn't ring a bell.

So you're telling me that you are going to take your chance with a guy holding a gun to your head to make the decision whether you get to live or not? Seems smart.

And you're right, sorry, it was Mattski that took offense to that characterization.
 
Lol. Ok internet tough guy.

Grow up, and be an adult. You get one life. I will take my chances that the police will find my car, or that my insurance company will replace it for me, rather than my ability to somehow pull out a gun and shoot someone who is holding a gun to my person.

And I say this as someone who once had a gun pulled on them over a dime bag. So, maybe, just maybe, I have a more informed view on someone's behavior when they have a weapon pointed at them in a situation like this, than you?

Also, weren't you the one that just the other day took offense to me calling your guns "penis compensation machines"? Because, you're not helping your case with this post, big fella...
Also, your second paragraph is funny. So your saying since you don't own a gun, you are less informed to form an opinion on the matter? Sounds good to me.
 
Yes. I would much rather. People, even people trying to rob you, generally speaking, do not want to kill others. They want your crap. Some cowboy Joe isn't a sure thing to disable the car jacker with one shot, and then what? He's pissed off, his adrenaline is going crazy, he acts irrationally and shoots me? Great.

The foxhole comment is idiotic. We're talking about our civilized world here, not 1944 in Europe. And we should act that way, right? You're just illustrating my comment. You shouldn't have the "who would I want in a foxhole with me?" attitude, because, well, we don't live in foxholes.

And I am not saying others should turn and run away. There are other ways to help others and disengage tense situations than pulling a gun, let alone actually firing a gun at a human being.

Listen, I'm not saying every situation requires gun fire or even drawing a weapon. Foxhole is an expression, you ninny. If some scumbag ever has your unarmed rear end held at gun point, I'm blasting the bastard.

I don't take chances with good human life. You're confused, but you seem like a good enough guy to save. The foxhole comment meant I knew you wouldn't do the same for me. You're welcome.
 
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