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‘He and I have flirted unabashedly for 20 years’: Kathleen Parker’s defense of Chris Matthews sparks

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The tweet appeared just minutes after longtime MSNBC host Chris Matthews abruptly resigned Monday night at the top of his program — a shocking announcement that marked the end of a tumultuous week for the 74-year-old, who has recently been embroiled in controversy over on-air missteps and allegations of sexism.

“Chris Matthews is a friend of mine,” tweeted Kathleen Parker, a Washington Post columnist and Pulitzer Prize winner. “He and I have flirted unabashedly for 20 years. This is an atrocious end to a noble, happy-warrior career. I will continue to be his friend.”

Parker appeared to be referring to one of the events that preceded Matthews’s unexpected exit: Journalist Laura Bassett published a GQ.com article on Saturday that detailed what she described as the host’s “long history of sexist comments and behavior” toward women on- and off-air. Bassett wrote Matthews “inappropriately flirted” with her when she was a guest on his show, noting a number of other women also had similar experiences.

During his on-air resignation, Matthews apologized for his past comments, characterizing the remarks as “compliments on a woman’s appearance.”

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Parker wasn’t the only person to publicly stand up for Matthews on Monday night. But she was among the most prominent and her words did not sit well with some feminists and several of her fellow female media figures.

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Soon, Parker’s tweet was at the center of a heated #MeToo debate as detractors slammed the columnist for “[discrediting] alleged victims” while Matthews’s supporters lamented he “got the screws put to him.” By early Tuesday, the tweet had amassed more than 1,000 replies and hundreds of retweets.

“The friend’s ‘He never did it to ME’ vouch-for is meaningless, since the friend wasn’t always there, AND it discredits alleged victims,” tweeted CNN host S.E. Cupp. “THIS one also manages to dismiss harassment as mere flirting, an idea that, like Matthews, has rightly been retired.”

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Parker did not respond to a request for comment late Monday, but tweeted earlier in the night that an “angry column” about Matthews’s exit would be coming.

This isn’t the first time Parker, who won the 2010 Pulitzer Prize in Commentary, has questioned the impact of the #MeToo movement. Parker is also the author of “Save the Males: Why Men Matter Why Women Should Care,” in which she “explores how men, maleness, and fatherhood have been under siege in American culture for decades.”

“My admiration for the women across industries who have found the courage to come forward the past few months can’t be overstated,” she wrote in a 2018 column. “Nevertheless, I remain uncomfortable with aspects of the me-too methodology, wherein accusation equals indictment, public shaming is tantamount to conviction and sentencing usually means ruin.”

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A #MeToo backlash is inevitable

After Parker’s tweet about Matthews, several people called her out Monday night, arguing that while she may not have minded Matthews’s “flirting,” other women did.

“We should all be friends with whoever we want and flirt with whoever we want in our private non-work lives but women shouldn’t have to choose between torpedoing their careers and spending 20 years flirting unabashedly with a man they can’t stand,” tweeted feminist writer Jill Filipovic.


Gretchen Carlson, who accused former Fox News chief Roger Ailes of sexual harassment, pointed out Parker couldn’t speak to all of Matthews’s exchanges with women.

“Kathleen — respect you but [were] you with him in every case of interactions with other women?” Carlson tweeted.

But others joined Parker in criticizing the circumstances of Matthews’s resignation and took aim at Bassett.

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“Shame on you Laura Bassett … This petty crap just ruined the legacy of a wonderful journalist,” one person tweeted. “This is NOT what me too is supposed to be!”

Still, many came to Bassett’s defense on Monday night, praising her courage and admonishing her critics.

“Regardless of how you feel about Matthews, it is repugnant that people are directing harassment at @LEBassett for simply stepping forward with her story,” tweeted Sam Stein, politics editor for the Daily Beast and an MSNBC contributor. “That took guts and the reaction to her shows how hard it is for women in this and other industries.”

In tweets following Matthews’s announcement, Bassett also addressed the backlash she has faced over the past several days.

“The harassment has been invasive, cruel and personal,” she tweeted. “And it’s all worth it if he will never have the platform to demean and objectify us again.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/03/msnbc-chris-matthews-metoo/
 
It is good to be 70+ years old as you can walk away from this bullshit. It now appears, looking in the rear view mirror, that if a male says anything that upsets a female in anyway, she will have recourse against the “offender”.....recourse for which there is little, if any defense. I am glad I didn’t have to live with that scrutiny in my lifetime.
A lot of this comes as a result from women in the workplace....not that women in the workplace is a bad thing. Some of this is because of generational differences. Some of this is a result of over correction for past injustices.
I wish Matthews good luck in his retirement. He was a good solid political reporter for many decades....His time had passed probably...but there are a lot of football players who have played past their time too.
 
I never liked him, but I also never perceived him as a dirty old man, either. He was in a solid marriage by all accounts, and is the type of guy who came across as one who kidded around with those he considered friends, male or female.
 
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Umm I don't know the specifics of the accusation, so maybe it's a little deeper than this. But if flirting is now something unacceptable than I think we're in some serious trouble.

I don't even really like Chris Matthews all that much but if flirting is all it takes to ruin one's career and reputation there is a problem.

Now I don't think married people aught to flirt with people other than their spouse, but it sounds like the complaint wasn't "He's married and flirted" but just the fact that he did flirt and it wouldn't matter if he was single.

If flirting makes you creepy now, how in the world are people suppose to find mates? Because any display of interest could not only be met by a rejection but also a report filed against you that you where sexually harassing them.
 
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It is good to be 70+ years old as you can walk away from this bullshit. It now appears, looking in the rear view mirror, that if a male says anything that upsets a female in anyway, she will have recourse against the “offender”.....recourse for which there is little, if any defense. I am glad I didn’t have to live with that scrutiny in my lifetime.
A lot of this comes as a result from women in the workplace....not that women in the workplace is a bad thing. Some of this is because of generational differences. Some of this is a result of over correction for past injustices.
I wish Matthews good luck in his retirement. He was a good solid political reporter for many decades....His time had passed probably...but there are a lot of football players who have played past their time too.
I have heard women say, more than a few times, that "men have no chance" these days. Meaning, guys don't know whether we are supposed to open a door for a woman or not. Do we let the woman off the elevator first or do we go first so we aren't behind her? Crazy world.
 
It is good to be 70+ years old as you can walk away from this bullshit. It now appears, looking in the rear view mirror, that if a male says anything that upsets a female in anyway, she will have recourse against the “offender”.....recourse for which there is little, if any defense. I am glad I didn’t have to live with that scrutiny in my lifetime.
A lot of this comes as a result from women in the workplace....not that women in the workplace is a bad thing. Some of this is because of generational differences. Some of this is a result of over correction for past injustices.
I wish Matthews good luck in his retirement. He was a good solid political reporter for many decades....His time had passed probably...but there are a lot of football players who have played past their time too.

I'm glad I'm married now and don't have to look for someone because it does not seem to me that a male can signal his interest in a woman in any way what so ever without **some** women deciding they where sexually harassed by it.

There is a such thing as sexual harassment, don't get me wrong. But based on this. . . FLIRTING (Which I understand to be the most mild way one could signal interest) is harassment now. So yeah if you are going to signal interest, it better be mutual or you are the latest sexist sexual harasser to be outed and villified.
 
I'm glad I'm married now and don't have to look for someone because it does not seem to me that a male can signal his interest in a woman in any way what so ever without **some** women deciding they where sexually harassed by it.

There is a such thing as sexual harassment, don't get me wrong. But based on this. . . FLIRTING (Which I understand to be the most mild way one could signal interest) is harassment now. So yeah if you are going to signal interest, it better be mutual or you are the latest sexist sexual harasser to be outed and villified.
A lot depends on the power differential. Flirting with a true peer isn’t likely going to turn into a MeToo moment. Problem is it’s usually a boss or man in power “flirting” with a subordinate.
 
Chris Matthews sucks. The only bad thing about him going away is that he didn’t take Chuck Todd with him. Cable news is doing to boomers what they said video games would do to my generation. Turn that shit off already.
 
A lot depends on the power differential. Flirting with a true peer isn’t likely going to turn into a MeToo moment. Problem is it’s usually a boss or man in power “flirting” with a subordinate.

It says this woman was a guest on MSNBC. It doesn't sound like she ever worked for them and therefore could not be considered to be Matthew's subordinate.

Edit: I looked up her story and she says "Again—Matthews was never my boss. I’m pretty sure that behavior doesn’t rise to the level of illegal sexual harassment. But it undermined my ability to do my job well."

https://www.gq.com/story/chris-matthews-experience

So basically he was a bad guy because she didn't like it. But I guess it's nice that she doesn't think he belongs in prison for it.
 
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Here, yes. I read your post as talking more generally.

I'm mostly operating off her saying flirting was sexual harassment yes. And honestly I don't think that's going to be the reaction of 95% of women who would either shrug it off or casually attempt to signal their lack of interest.

But that other 5% that will basically post you as a sexual harasser should make any guy who might be trying to flirt worried about doing so.
 
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