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Lots of discussion about Lee, Suariano... plus the verbal commits from Mejia and Renteria, all grouped fairly close together in class and weight... although depending on maturity and growth, weight is still very fluid I assume. If all four were Hawks, where do they line up?
 
Lots of discussion about Lee, Suariano... plus the verbal commits from Mejia and Renteria, all grouped fairly close together in class and weight... although depending on maturity and growth, weight is still very fluid I assume. If all four were Hawks, where do they line up?
Mejia said in an interview that he plans to redshirt his freshmen year and wrestle 133. The following year he plans to wrestle at 125. Not sure what the plan is for the others. I want Justin and Jason tobe Hawkeyes and it seems they really want to be at Iowa, but they will both need a redshirt year which leaves us without a 125/133 option for a year. If Suriano, Yates, and Happel want to come to Iowa we most defiantly take them because they can sign this year. Kids can and will change there mind on what school they wish to attend. J&J are not a done deal til they sign.
 
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Justin has said he wants to try and get to 126, but he could be up at 120 like edquinn said. I just know that the plan is 126, and I asked the Mejias last week they said it's still a little early to tell what his growth will be.
 
Lots of discussion about Lee, Suariano... plus the verbal commits from Mejia and Renteria, all grouped fairly close together in class and weight... although depending on maturity and growth, weight is still very fluid I assume. If all four were Hawks, where do they line up?
IF all 4 are Hawks.. then probably goes like this
1. Lee goes where he wants when he gets here
2. Suriano gets next choice after a RS(he's a year ahead).
3. Mejia and JRent battle it out for remaining spot - redshirt, etc...

**Now since Suriano is a year ahead he could very well determine the pecking order, especially after having a year in the room advantage, plus he's already VERY good.
 
Justin has said he wants to try and get to 126, but he could be up at 120 like edquinn said. I just know that the plan is 126, and I asked the Mejias last week they said it's still a little early to tell what his growth will be.
He and Olivas are potential CA 4x sc. I doubt we see them at the same weight. If Olivas is not at 113 then Mejia will grow.
 
Papa is dead on. Neither of them would want to risk losing to the other. There has only been 1 4 X state champ in CA ever. Darrell Vasquez. I'm sure Mejia would love to be #2 and Cade #3. They are on the same level talent wise and if they wrestled ten times, you'd likely get ten different results. Cade looks like he could make 113 to me. Mejia might be a bit small for 126, plus their are already 3 nationally ranked guys at 126 ( to be completely accurate 2 are from the same school). Defending state champ Durbin Llloren from Buchannan, JJ Figueroa and Navonte Demison from Bakesfield. Buchannan is a big rival with Clovis and they wrestle each other often. I suppose Mejia could wrestle at 126 in a dual against Buchanan and see how he fairs against Lloren. If you look at the two, Lloren looks waaaay bigger. Mejia is pretty much a lock at 120 ( If Cade cooperates and goes down to 113.) He's beaten the best in-state guys at this weight already.
 
I had the pleasure of talking to the Mejia family when he wrestled in Cedar Rapids and 133 was the plan during his redshirt followed by a drop to 125. Justin is going to be an absolute stud not just bc of his wrestling but his attitude. Exactly what an Iowa recruit needs to be. I also believe Happel is the wildcard here (rumor is ISU, PSU, UNI pushing hard). It's unimagable that he might not be a Hawk but I'd still be pleased if Mejia, Rent and OF COURSE Suriano all sign. The fact that ALL these recruits are in the discussion show that Morningstar is kicking some tail!
 
He and Olivas are potential CA 4x sc. I doubt we see them at the same weight. If Olivas is not at 113 then Mejia will grow.

While I understand what you are saying, I don't think Mejia will move away from Cade. It's pretty well established that Mejia will take on any challengers and not wrestling at your natural weight class (i.e. bumping up as opposed to sucking down if you can) isn't the easiest thing to do in California. He's just as likely to lose trying to wrestle up and away from Cade as he is wrestling Cade.

This is coming from the Mejia camp: "Maybe 120 or 126. Bring on anybody."
 
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While I understand what you are saying, I don't think Mejia will move away from Cade. It's pretty well established that Mejia will take on any challengers and not wrestling at your natural weight class (i.e. bumping up) isn't the easiest thing to do in California. He's just as likely to lose trying to wrestle up and away from Cade as he is wrestling Cade.

This is coming from the Mejia camp: "Maybe 120 or 126. Bring on anybody."
Who cares if you're a 4xer if you're dodging competition? If you're at the same weight, may the best man win
 
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I had the pleasure of talking to the Mejia family when he wrestled in Cedar Rapids and 133 was the plan during his redshirt followed by a drop to 125. Justin is going to be an absolute stud not just bc of his wrestling but his attitude. Exactly what an Iowa recruit needs to be. I also believe Happel is the wildcard here (rumor is ISU, PSU, UNI pushing hard). It's unimagable that he might not be a Hawk but I'd still be pleased if Mejia, Rent and OF COURSE Suriano all sign. The fact that ALL these recruits are in the discussion show that Morningstar is kicking some tail!
The Happel mention is a bit surprising in regards to ISU. Now is the interest mutual or is ISU just making a strong push? I don't see how any elite high school lighter weight kid considers the Clones based on their lack of success in the weights where the Paulsens don't coach. Meeks is living proof of that. Unless $$$ is the driving force.
 
The stud reporters from iawrestle.com had an Overtime interview with Happel and the following was asked and answered...

Do you maybe have a short list of schools that are leading the way at this point?

I wouldn’t put any schools in order right now, but I have been in contact with Iowa, Iowa State, UNI, Minnesota, and Penn State pretty frequently.
 
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The stud reporters from iawrestle.com had an Overtime interview with Happel and the following was asked and answered...

Do you maybe have a short list of schools that are leading the way at this point?

I wouldn’t put any schools in order right now, but I have been in contact with Iowa, Iowa State, UNI, Minnesota, and Penn State pretty frequently.
Thanks for that. A good read! As I said... ISU just really puzzles me with the coaching issues in terms of continuity with Yero, TN, and AE. Obviously by Hall's regression, AE is another step backward for the Clones. My own opinion, which means little, is it comes down to Schwab or TnT for Happel.
 
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Happel wrestled last Saturday at the Iowa FS championships at 145.
Maybe I missed something, but with BS and Kemmerer likely at 149/157, I'm guessing his spot at Iowa is aimed at 141? If he wants to go higher, that might lessen the attractiveness of the Hawks. Am I way off?
 
Maybe I missed something, but with BS and Kemmerer likely at 149/157, I'm guessing his spot at Iowa is aimed at 141? If he wants to go higher, that might lessen the attractiveness of the Hawks. Am I way off?

Assuming he redshirted he would only have one year behind BS.
 
There are some rumors about Meija moving to either Blair, St. Ed, or SPG.
Why would a kid who has a legit shot to make some very rare History in California move anywhere? This seems incredibly unlikely to me, and downright silly to be honest (if its strictly wrestling related). What's he got to gain? Little to nothing, IMO. He's already verballed to Iowa, etc. I would be well past stunned if this were even a remote possibility.
 
Maybe I missed something, but with BS and Kemmerer likely at 149/157, I'm guessing his spot at Iowa is aimed at 141? If he wants to go higher, that might lessen the attractiveness of the Hawks. Am I way off?
Ideal would be.
2015
141 Grothus/ Carton
149 BS
157 Cooper/ Thomsen

2016
141 Carton/Turk
149 Kemerer
157 BS

2017
141 Turk/Happel
149 Kemerer
157 BS

2018
141 Turk/ Happel
149 Turk/Happel
157 Kemerer

2015 will be interesting to see if we can get both Grothus and BS in the line up. If Brody can make 141 and be productive that would put us in the title hunt. 2016 will be interesting to see if Turk can beat out Carton at 141. Also if BS does the move to 157 or stays at 149. 2017 will be interesting to see who beats out who between Turk and Happel at 141. I would think that whoever wins that battle stays at 141 in 2018 and the other moves to 149. Way I see it Happel has 3 years as a starter at Iowa, 4 if he beats Turk out in 2017. Exciting times for Hawk fans. Go Hawks!
 
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Happel wrestled last Saturday at the Iowa FS championships at 145.

He also wrestled 138 at the Northern Plains in May

Maybe I missed something, but with BS and Kemmerer likely at 149/157, I'm guessing his spot at Iowa is aimed at 141? If he wants to go higher, that might lessen the attractiveness of the Hawks. Am I way off?

If you go to Trackwrestling you can see he weighed 143. I think he was wrestling up to be in the tougher bracket.
 
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The 2 guys committed are verbals and look like very good wrestlers. I don't think either of them are the type to be ready to throw out as true freshman at this point, could happen though. That said I think we look to sign 1 or 2 other guys who could go 125-141. I see Happel as a more of a 149 honestly and I think we have room for him for sure. Assuming the 2 verbals stick then who else do we see? I honestly feel Yates is a great target, he is not far away, he is tough, he can redshirt and there have been a few mentions of mutual interest. Suriano is your other option in that class of the top notch guys. He is supposed to be tough for sure, I see more competition from other teams to try and reel him in. I have not honestly seen any real info that would indicate mutual interest. He is further away as well, how does being close to home factor in? The third big option is Lee with no redshirt. He is going to be fought over very hard by teams. A can not pass up kind of a wrestler. Hall is not at this range but $$$ spent on him would factor in as well. Berge is coming up a year behind Hall as well. IMO get one stud kid from the 2016 class. I llike the fit of Yates better but if it is Suriano then that is great too. Then maybe get one of the in state kids from that class to also redshirt. West, Portillo, Rathbun, Wagner all good looking kids and not sure who i like best. The Portillo who bumped to 126 at the end of the year and whooped everyones ass impressed me. If getting Lee is still in the cards the next year then go for it if you want. The Hall situation will be played out by then so you will know a lot more what other needs are.
 
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Why would a kid who has a legit shot to make some very rare History in California move anywhere? This seems incredibly unlikely to me, and downright silly to be honest (if its strictly wrestling related). What's he got to gain? Little to nothing, IMO. He's already verballed to Iowa, etc. I would be well past stunned if this were even a remote possibility.

Saw it on Twitter in a post with that Christian Pyles from Flo. It may just be a rumor. However, going to SPG being silly? That's silly. He's going to be surrounded by top notch national talent whereas now he's in a good room but not great in terms of practice partners.
 
Ideal would be.
2015
141 Grothus/ Carton
149 BS
157 Cooper/ Thomsen

2016
141 Carton/Turk
149 Kemerer
157 BS

2017
141 Turk/Happel
149 Kemerer
157 BS

2018
141 Turk/ Happel
149 Turk/Happel
157 Kemerer

2015 will be interesting to see if we can get both Grothus and BS in the line up. If Brody can make 141 and be productive that would put us in the title hunt. 2016 will be interesting to see if Turk can beat out Carton at 141. Also if BS does the move to 157 or stays at 149. 2017 will be interesting to see who beats out who between Turk and Happel at 141. I would think that whoever wins that battle stays at 141 in 2018 and the other moves to 149. Way I see it Happel has 3 years as a starter at Iowa, 4 if he beats Turk out in 2017. Exciting times for Hawk fans. Go Hawks!
I'm not sure that BS would want to be at 157. His best chance for a title or two are 2016 2017. That would be tough if Isaiah Martinez stays at 157. I don't think he can beat him.
 
I'm not sure that BS would want to be at 157. His best chance for a title or two are 2016 2017. That would be tough if Isaiah Martinez stays at 157. I don't think he can beat him.
Hasent been confirmed but IMart might be going 165. Also Iowa wrestlers want to beat the best to be the best. We don't avoid a challenge. That being said I could also see BS staying at 149. Like I said in the above we'll see if he makes the change. 149 might be an easy weight for him to maintain and give him the best chance to obtain his individual goals. 157 his junior and senior year would be the best option for the team.
 
Intermat just published an interview with Martinez. Here is what he had to say about about it:

Will you be staying at 157 pounds this coming season?


Martinez: Yeah, I'm only like 5'7 1/2" ... I'm not the tallest guy. I can understand if maybe I was growing an inch or two taller here or there, but I'm the same size as I was last year, so it's a good fit for me.

Full interview here: http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/14518
 
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I know this is an Iowa board but...
I have read on here BoJo goes whatever weight Ringer doesn't with nobody disputing it. Mention that other wrestlers may factor in current Hawks or future Hawks going different weights and "we take on all challengers" Which is ironic considering how many think Grothus should bow out early in trying to go his chosen weight class.

The coaches will try to put the kids in their best position to succeed or they're doing them a disservice.
Being at the weight you're most competitive at is not the equivalent of ducking anyone.
 
Hasent been confirmed but IMart might be going 165. Also Iowa wrestlers want to beat the best to be the best. We don't avoid a challenge. That being said I could also see BS staying at 149. Like I said in the above we'll see if he makes the change. 149 might be an easy weight for him to maintain and give him the best chance to obtain his individual goals. 157 his junior and senior year would be the best option for the team.

We? Are you on the team? Or were you at some point?
 
I know this is an Iowa board but...
I have read on here BoJo goes whatever weight Ringer doesn't with nobody disputing it. Mention that other wrestlers may factor in current Hawks or future Hawks going different weights and "we take on all challengers" Which is ironic considering how many think Grothus should bow out early in trying to go his chosen weight class.

The coaches will try to put the kids in their best position to succeed or they're doing them a disservice.
Being at the weight you're most competitive at is not the equivalent of ducking anyone.
I don't know enough about Ohio State's returning firepower without a little research, but Jordan is good enough presumably to go wherever he wants. Whether that is good for Ohio State is another story. Grothus going to his "chosen" weight on paper doesn't look good for him (IMO), and for damn sure not good for Iowa (IMO).

I do believe it's the right thing to do to get each kid in their best position to succeed, but at the same time the singlet says Iowa. That means sacrificing for the greater good of a team at times, any sport, and that goes to everyone involved in it, IMO. Granted, it's a more difficult dynamic in a weight controlled environment like wrestling, but its also not like they're asking these kids to give up their 1st born child. I think most Iowa fans would have some empathy for a guy like Matt McDonough that probably had one heck of a time holding his weight, and he most likely could have gone up to 133 at any time and won that spot too. It was probably his choice to do so as well, and he probably thought he'd have more success staying at 125. Either way, it had to be damn difficult for him I would think. Maybe it was a combo of Matt and Brands making that decision. I don't know.

And if you have enough situations where guys aren't producing or your recruiting "plan" didn't work out and the weights become muddled, as a Coach you'll be out of a job pretty quickly if 1/2 your best wrestlers are sitting on the bench behind better guys at their "comfortable" weight, or if they're wrestling up a weight where they will often get manhandled by those that fit the weight class.

As a Father, of course you want what's best for your Son (not you personally mind you - I'm talking everyone). At the end of the day he's still part of a team, and when he gets out in the "real world", he'll be part of a team most likely when he goes into whatever endeavor he chooses. And there will be times like most of us where you have to make hard choices and sacrifices, or someone with the "power" will make them for you. :D

I just think the waters are a little muddy on what "exactly" is the right thing to do in these situations. Like most things in life, it's just not that simple, IMO.
 
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I know this is an Iowa board but...
I have read on here BoJo goes whatever weight Ringer doesn't with nobody disputing it. Mention that other wrestlers may factor in current Hawks or future Hawks going different weights and "we take on all challengers" Which is ironic considering how many think Grothus should bow out early in trying to go his chosen weight class.

The coaches will try to put the kids in their best position to succeed or they're doing them a disservice.
Being at the weight you're most competitive at is not the equivalent of ducking anyone.
Think Iowa fans just want to see both of them in the line up. If Brody beats out Brandon great for him. I don't see Brandon going down to 141 after that and who knows how well he could compete at 157 without an off season to prepare. Pretty much the same thing if Brandon beats out Brody with the difference that Brody has shown interest in 141 and with a whole offseason can prepare to make that weight. Team wise Brody 141 and Brandon 149 is the best option. Individual goal wise battling for 149 is the best option. Will see what happens. Go Hawks!
 
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Hasent been confirmed but IMart might be going 165. Also Iowa wrestlers want to beat the best to be the best. We don't avoid a challenge. That being said I could also see BS staying at 149. Like I said in the above we'll see if he makes the change. 149 might be an easy weight for him to maintain and give him the best chance to obtain his individual goals. 157 his junior and senior year would be the best option for the team.

The team needs some NCs that was very evident this year. Plus you get the after wake in recruiting from NCs. Both individually and team wise. Iowa always has a competitive team at most weights.This year was kind of a wash at 165 &157. 141 was not to be had nor was 157 for that matter. A couple of NCs would really get the team rolling. Clark and BS have the potential for sure. If you then take one of those out of the equation then I see that hurting the team.
 
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