150 armed terrorists take over federal building
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Did you feel the same way when protestors in Wisconsin stormed the capital building and shut it down to protest Walker's budget changes? Not saying either is right, just wondering if you only use "terrorists" when it suits you?
Not brown so not terrorists.
I hope Obama isnt a coward and will come out and call them right wing extremist terrorists.
I hope Obama isnt a coward and will come out and call them right wing extremist terrorists.
I am against both. But neither should be labeled terrorists
Were they armed and threatening violence? I think that might be a slight difference. Additionally look up Shays Rebellion if anyone thinks George Washington would stand for this.
Were they armed and threatening to kill anyone who came in after them?
I suppose in your world anybody with a gun (who isn't military or law enforcement) is a terrorist. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't appreciate the misleading title.
In this case no. How about the protesters in Baltimore who destroyed state property, injured dozens of cops and burned buildings? Terrorists or no?
I'm not defending this group mind you. It's irresponsible and a stupid way to make a point. But terrorism? Come on man, try to be a little bit objective. That way you at least seem rational.
I don't know all the facts of what happened in Baltimore but terrorism is a legal term with a defined meaning:
18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:
- Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
- Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).
By that definition, I'd say BLM should be catagorized as a terrorist organization then.
F'ing Christ. I come back here and it's the same liberal garbage, different day.
note: it states in the constitution that we are obligated to form a well armed militia. note also: these patriots have flags with no gold trim. the feds always negate the American flag with gold trim around it, making it a false flag.
Protesters Saturday included Ammon Bundy, Ryan Payne, an electrician from Montana who had boasted of organizing citizen sniper squads on Bundy Ranch that aimed their weapons at federal agents, and Jon Ritzheimer, an Arizona man that in November had been the subject of FBI concern because of violent rhetoric directed at Muslims.
“They can’t defend themselves, they can’t ask for help. It’s asking a sheep to all the sudden defend itself from the wolves,” a gun-toting Payne told OPB.
“They can’t defend themselves, they can’t ask for help. It’s asking a sheep to all the sudden defend itself from the wolves,” a gun-toting Payne told OPB.
Thanks. This is a protest, not an act of terrorism. Not unlike students occupying university offices.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emand-racist-woodrow-wilsons-name-be-removed/
Watching the news on this and I am surprised that they have presented no "demands."
I ask myself are these guys like students who occupied school administration offices to protest the Vietnam War or free speech restrictions in the 1960s? Not having positions or demands makes it hard to see them in that light.
But what are they like? Ruby Ridge or Waco? Those didn't turn out so well.
I ask myself are these guys like students who occupied school administration offices to protest the Vietnam War or free speech restrictions in the 1960s? Not having positions or demands makes it hard to see them in that light.
But what are they like? Ruby Ridge or Waco? Those didn't turn out so well.
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When this is resolved, should any of these people who brought guns with them retain their right to keep and bear arms?
They're trying to become martyrs. They may get that wish if they turn this protest into an armed occupation.
Just saw the younger Bundy on the news. Hard to understand his word salad but he appears to be upset about government overreach that prevents the people from using the land. Or as more rational people would put it, sensible government action to preserve public land for the people.
I also heard that more and more armed people are arriving to join them and that there are no hostages.
Clearly Obama's strategy is to let as many fish jump into the barrel as want to and then it'll be . . . you know . . . like shooting fish in a barrel.
Clever fellow that Kenyan.
I also heard that more and more armed people are arriving to join them and that there are no hostages.
Clearly Obama's strategy is to let as many fish jump into the barrel as want to and then it'll be . . . you know . . . like shooting fish in a barrel.
Clever fellow that Kenyan.
I missed the part of this story where the students took out their guns and threatened to shoot people. Could you highlight that part which would make your argument reasonable? TiA
There was an FBI expert on one of the CNN shows this morning suggesting we simply monitor and all but ignor them in the belief that they won't stick it out and aren't really in the way at this remote location.
So by that definition would you consider a rancher that was burning off weeds from his own property and accidentally has that fire spread to BLM land and actually improve the BLM land a terrorist? Because that is what this protest is about.
Only if those students threaten armed violence and resist arrest. Otherwise, they're not remotely similar.
the rancher is not a terrorist, the "protesters" are terrorists.
Good thing this isn't happening in Philadelphia.
The MOVE group is particularly known for two major conflicts with the Philadelphia Police. In 1978, a standoff resulted in the death of one police officer, injuries to several other people and life sentences for 9 members. In 1985, another standoff was ended when the police dropped a bomb on their compound. This resulted in the deaths of 11 MOVE members, including the leader John Africa and 5 children, the destruction of 65 houses and widespread news coverage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1978_shoot-out
The MOVE group is particularly known for two major conflicts with the Philadelphia Police. In 1978, a standoff resulted in the death of one police officer, injuries to several other people and life sentences for 9 members. In 1985, another standoff was ended when the police dropped a bomb on their compound. This resulted in the deaths of 11 MOVE members, including the leader John Africa and 5 children, the destruction of 65 houses and widespread news coverage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1978_shoot-out
The group in Oregon are much more intelligent than those in Philly, the Oregon group sought out a location where others could not be injured, the imbeciles in Philly put everyone in danger.
OK we agree on that. The protesters are protesting the Feds who trying to make sure the Rancher serves 5 years as a terrorist for his actions.
This is where the Snowden supporters screwed up. They should have went armed to an appropriate governmental building and "occupied " it in protest.
I don't think that's correct.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/e...convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.
People who were with them on their hunt testified against them. They had a relative who testified against them. But nice try.
I gathered from his interview that he hoped we wouldn't siege. Just ignore and let them have their protest in the woods. Apparently the spot they picked is pretty remote.
