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The playoff should be like every division in CFB.

16 teams

High seed gets home field until the championship game (neutral site).

Solves the problems of teams (conference champs) not getting in. It solves the two good teams from same conference problem.

It solves the Fan/travel problem. Are you telling me if we were hosting Auburn Saturday it wouldnt be a sellout. Auburn would sell their allotment also guaranteed.

You will still have an argument about the 16/17th team and seeding but at least teams that deserve a shot at it will get it. UFC this year.

Can still have the bowl games that you want to have with the rest of the field as they are meaningless as of right now anyway.
 
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I would love to see 16 but you'll have many who argue it weakens the regular season. If it provides home field advantages for the first few rounds (like the NFL), I think the regular season is plenty important.

I'm sure there's big money with the New Years six that would have to be recouped. Someone smarter than me would have to figure that out.
 
StormHawk42 said:
I would love to see 16 but you'll have many who argue it weakens the regular season. If it provides home field advantages for the first few rounds (like the NFL), I think the regular season is plenty important.

I'm sure there's big money with the New Years six that would have to be recouped. Someone smarter than me would have to figure that out.
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The regular season is already cheapened by home games with UNI and Bama playing Mercer.

Think the TV money alone for a true playoff would dwarf what they are bringing in now.
 
scotthawk1964 said:
I agree that 8 is about right. Yes, there are always going to be the 9th and 10th ranked teams pissing and moaning, but with 8 you get the power 5 conference champs and the 3 at large, so I am pretty sure that the best team in college will be in that field of 8.
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I can't imagine a scenario where the 9th ranked team would have a case. Looking at the last 4 years, #9 down have all had at least two losses. Even if your two losses are to good teams (Penn St this year for example)...you lost. The regular season matters and is an extended "playoff" of its own.

You'd have to have a bunch of upsets in the Champ games to really disrupt things.
 
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I like this idea too, but would the southern schools agree to a playoff where they could be playing road games in the northern US in Nov and Dec? It would be interesting to see what the NCAA feels about that as well.
 
Who's making a case for #16 being the best team this year? Who ever really makes a case for a team beyond 2 or 3? So Clemson vs Michigan State is a relevant game to play?
 
HemiHawk said:
I like this idea too, but would the southern schools agree to a playoff where they could be playing road games in the northern US in Nov and Dec? It would be interesting to see what the NCAA feels about that as well.
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Yes and it would be awesome. How many times have northern schools had to play huge games that are basically in the other teams backyard? All the time.
 
Titanhawk2 said:
Who's making a case for #16 being the best team this year? Who ever really makes a case for a team beyond 2 or 3? So Clemson vs Michigan State is a relevant game to play?
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How many times over the last 10 years have the #1 seeds in the BB tourney won the tournament?
 
There are only 2-4 teams that should be even remotely upset this year.

EVERY upset team had their chance. It's called their seasons.

OSU, don't get crushed by Iowa.
USC, don't get trucked by ND.
Wisconsin, with that schedule, beat OSU.
UCF, schedule someone OOC with a pulse (GT would NOT have moved the needle enough) and don't give up 42 and 55 in your last two games.

Think you got screwed? You had your opportunities and failed. They failed to a higher degree than Alabama did in my book.
 
I would prefer an 8-team field, with automatic bids to the P5 champions, and 3 at-large bids.

I think this would STRENGTHEN the regular season. With an automatic bid on the line, all a team like Iowa has to do to have a chance is win the B1G West. This means games between Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, NW, etc. become VERY important.

All fans want to win championships. But outside of that, they want to believe they have a CHANCE to win a championship. With an 8-team field (and automatic bids), what Iowa has to do to have a chance is beat Wisconsin, beat Nebraska, beat Minnesota, etc., and get to that B1G title game. Who knows what might happen after that?
 
Go with 12 teams and there should never be a debate. Give the top 4 seeds a bye week. By that time you might have to take the best two 9-3 teams when you are talking 10-12. If you have losses you probably do not deserve to be in but look at Auburn. They could catch fire and make a run.
 
Only need eight. All conference champs get in, three at large bids for the next 3 highest ranked teams (I'll let others decide if it by committee or BCS style formula).
 
There just needs to be a limit of 1 team per conference. That'll eventually work its way into having 4 conferences total.

The idea that the worst P5 conference in America got 2 teams into the playoffs is ridiculous
 
16 would be my preference, but at least 8.
Again, for the thousandth time, the worthless bowls will still be as worthless as they are currently. A bowl like the pinstripe that is already just a tv filler during the holiday season would be of no more or less interest to anyone else whether there were 4, 8, or 16 teams in the playoffs.
And thank you for bringing up the NCAA b-ball tournament. For my money, the greatest sporting event there is. I haven't heard anyone clamoring for the return to a much smaller field.
 
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With an 8 team playoff and the conference champion getting the auto bid, you are having a defacto 16 team playoff. I'd throw out there that seedings are based on on cross conference records. This would have the effect of forcing the power 5 conferences to play each other in the their non conference games == MORE AWESOME FOOTBALL
 
I'd day 6 teams in the playoff. 5 P5 conference champions and 1 highest ranked at large. The conference championship games serve as a defacto 1st rd. The CFP can still perform their weekly rankings to drum up excitement as they will still be needed to show whom could be the at large bid.

Once the 6 team playoff is seeded and set, #1 and #2 are rewarded with Bye Weeks and #1 gets to play the semifinal in the bowl geographically closer to the school. The 1st rd of #3 vs #6 and #4 vs #5 would be hosted at the home stadiums of #3 and #4.

I think bye weeks for #1 and #2 are more appropriate rewards for those teams then just getting a bowl of geographic closeness. I mean does anyone really think the Sugar Bowl is a reward for Clemson when it means playing Alabama there.

2017 version:
#1 Clemson bye plays winner of #4 vs #5
#2 Oklahoma bye plays winner of #3 vs #6
#3 Georgia SEC champ vs #6 USC PAC12 champ
#4 Alabama At large vs #5 OSU BIG10 champ
 
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too much data here to post... have at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament
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The point is, rarely does the "best" rated team actually win on the court. That leads me to believe I would rather see those teams play on the field then to keep the playoff so small.

I am OK with 8 but still think 16 is better. At 8 you get all the P5 champs and 3 at large. At 16 you get pretty much all champs and

Right now you have 10 major conferences. Take all the champions from each conference then 6 at large that include independents. This allows schools like UCF this year to ACTUALLY PLAY FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP. Right now they dont have that right. They went 12-0 and wont get a shot. It also allows room for every champ plus enough at large teams to appease all of the P5 conferences that loby for a team that was close.

The NCAA also got lucky this year that ND didnt have 1 loss because they would have had to leave them out as well.
 
hexumhawk said:
The point is, rarely does the "best" rated team actually win on the court. That leads me to believe I would rather see those teams play on the field then to keep the playoff so small.

I am OK with 8 but still think 16 is better. At 8 you get all the P5 champs and 3 at large. At 16 you get pretty much all champs and

Right now you have 10 major conferences. Take all the champions from each conference then 6 at large that include independents. This allows schools like UCF this year to ACTUALLY PLAY FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP. Right now they dont have that right. They went 12-0 and wont get a shot. It also allows room for every champ plus enough at large teams to appease all of the P5 conferences that loby for a team that was close.

The NCAA also got lucky this year that ND didnt have 1 loss because they would have had to leave them out as well.
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The non-P5 schools shouldn't even be in the same division as the P5, giving them automatic entry into the playoff is bs
 
Titanhawk2 said:
Who's making a case for #16 being the best team this year? Who ever really makes a case for a team beyond 2 or 3? So Clemson vs Michigan State is a relevant game to play?
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Hmmm, is there any excitement generated in March by the BBall tourney? Do they make a ton of $$$. Does the best team win every year? Just questions to ponder......I'm for the 8 team playoff as well, simply because the conf championships should matter, an all the champs should be in.
 
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The non-P5 schools shouldn't even be in the same division as the P5, giving them automatic entry into the playoff is bs
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I generally agree with you but then you have D1 conferences that actually aren't allowed to win a championship? That's not right either. Think about this also, some of the most fun NCAA games are the 16/1 and 15/2 games. A UFC at Clemson this year would make for great TV!!!
 
If you want to get entertaining, you can always have an 8 team playoff. 5 conference champions, 2 at large bids and a lottery team. Yeah, that would mean that a team that sucks probably gets in. Couldn't you just see the outcry from top 10 ranked teams that whiffed and Kansas wins the lottery. LOL
 
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16 teams is where we will eventually end up and then after a few years people will wonder why we didn't do it sooner.
 
going back to basketball, the equivalent would be how many years does a one seed win it all?

answer ~60% of the time

that means that a team outside the top 4 wins it all 40% of the time
 
HemiHawk said:
I like this idea too, but would the southern schools agree to a playoff where they could be playing road games in the northern US in Nov and Dec? It would be interesting to see what the NCAA feels about that as well.
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I seriously believe this to be the issue. The southern schools do not want to come north and play in December. They would argue and fight about it, but in reality its not that bad. Jesus they have their hands on every piece of equipment possible.

I think 8 is the perfect number. I would even support dropping a pre-season game to accommodate it. Allow only 2 pre-season games before conference play. Move Championship week up to Thanksgiving weekend or keep it and play the first round of the playoff in mid-December.
 
No... win conference & you're in the final 4!!! The least of the P5 teams is out. What's so dang hard about that?!?
hexumhawk said:
The playoff should be like every division in CFB.

16 teams

High seed gets home field until the championship game (neutral site).

Solves the problems of teams (conference champs) not getting in. It solves the two good teams from same conference problem.

It solves the Fan/travel problem. Are you telling me if we were hosting Auburn Saturday it wouldnt be a sellout. Auburn would sell their allotment also guaranteed.

You will still have an argument about the 16/17th team and seeding but at least teams that deserve a shot at it will get it. UFC this year.

Can still have the bowl games that you want to have with the rest of the field as they are meaningless as of right now anyway.
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