I'd say the exact opposite is true. There is far far too much respect for authority nowadays. We are becoming slaves.They both need to out for the season. This non respecting of authority is a problem that is getting worse and affects many aspects of societal ills including cop killing.
I'd say the exact opposite is true. There is far far too much respect for authority nowadays. We are becoming slaves.
Whatever bad call or series of bad calls or conversations between players and ref leading up to this incident are secondary to the premeditated act these 2 players acted out. You never touch a ref or ump. Rule #1 in all sports. This is taught and instilled into athletes from little league & Pop Warner on up.I need to see what lead up to this. It's too easy to come to a conclusion from 10 seconds of video. How do we know the ref didn't have a gun?
Ok, Uber-nanny state, name me one legitimate set of circumstances that would justify their actions. I'm calling you out.It's sad how people are wanting to crucify these kids without even wanting to know the whole story. They very well may have been warranted in their actions.
It's sad how people are wanting to crucify these kids without even wanting to know the whole story. They very well may have been warranted in their actions.
Coach told them to.Ok, Uber-nanny state, name me one legitimate set of circumstances that would justify their actions. I'm calling you out.
Doesn't fly.Coach told them to.
Ref was obviously cheating them and has in the past.
Either one works for me.
It's all fine and dandy to say one should use proper channels to discipline a cheating ref, but the cold hard fact of the matter is that it rarely works at all and never provides justice. He may very well have deserved it and if so then I have no problem whatsoever with those boys taking matters into their own hands. It wasn't a hard hit. Just a message.
Sorry, but I know from firsthand experience that you are dead wrong about taking proper routes for crooked refs. It almost never works out and justice is hardly every served. Sometimes you just have to take matters into your own hands.Doesn't fly.
If coach tells kids to do it, coach goes to jail, loses job and will have trouble getting a job the rest of his life. Period. Kids would be even more guilty for carrying out a conspiracy to commit bodily harm. Indefensible.
If a coach asks or tells you to do something illegal, even if it makes you feel more like a man, it's still wrong and you should be punished harshly. Doesn't anybody have a moral barometer any more?
If the ref has a history of cheating. You have to prove it or it's just an opinion. Ask any lawyer. Coach should have documented instances over the years and had his Athletic Director beating the drums to get the ref fired or reassigned so that ref will never ref your schools games. It happens. You just don't hear about it.
If Texas is anything like Iowa, their state high school athletic association (or equivalent entity) would welcome documentation of a crooked or biased ref. There are proper channels for this stuff. Why people take the quick, thug route to instant retribution is one of the growing problems in our culture.
Coach told them to.
So you are suggesting players/people have the right to 'act out' or even commit a crime in order to get their brand of 'instant justice' if they don't think the systems of laws, rules, and ethics that are in place can find justice for them?Sorry, but I know from firsthand experience that you are dead wrong about taking proper routes for crooked refs. It almost never works out and justice is hardly every served. Sometimes you just have to take matters into your own hands.
Coach told them to.
Ref was obviously cheating them and has in the past.
Either one works for me.
It's all fine and dandy to say one should use proper channels to discipline a cheating ref, but the cold hard fact of the matter is that it rarely works at all and never provides justice. He may very well have deserved it and if so then I have no problem whatsoever with those boys taking matters into their own hands. It wasn't a hard hit. Just a message.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.So you are suggesting players/people have the right to 'act out' or even commit a crime in order to get their brand of 'instant justice' if they don't think the systems of laws, rules, and ethics that are in place can find justice for them?
If so, welcome to chaos, "Lord of the Flies". You fit in nicely with the "Black Lives Matter" baiters.
it was a clean hit. Don't be so dramatic.So if the coach told them to jump off a bridge, they should do it? (I know that sounds stupid...but it fits right in with your advice.) If any coach condoned or directed that type of retaliation they should be banned for life with working with kids IMO. I would be quite surprised to hear that the coach(es) were in on this. If so, they deserve draconian punishment.
If the ref was in fact cheating them and their sneak attack from his backside caused severe injuries...you're OK with that? If a 180# player hits someone in the back, when they least expect it, you could potentially cause spinal injuries or worse.
Would you be OK if the players just waited for the ref in the parking lot and cleaned his clock there or is their retaliation limited to the field of play? Or, maybe they could just beat him up severely with a tire iron, or shoot him, etc? What isn't OK in your mind...assuming the boys had truly been wronged here and are justified in "taking matters into their own hands"? Who knows, maybe in your world the ref got off too easy.
Jesus Christ. Son of Tennessee Waltz is drooling on his keyboard over here.It wasn't a hard hit. Just a message. Sorry, but I know from firsthand experience that you are dead wrong about taking proper routes for crooked refs. It almost never works out and justice is hardly every served. Sometimes you just have to take matters into your own hands.