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2 women are set to graduate from Army Ranger School on Friday

Well this certainly raises a question.



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When I heard Obama was going to be at this ceremony...it was obvious at least one female was goig to graduate.
 
If two women who have successfully completed the Army’s Ranger School are ready to go into combat, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham won’t stop them.

“They did something I couldn’t do. So who am I to tell them ‘no,’ ” the 2016 GOP presidential hopeful said about two women who are set to become the first female graduates of the training program at Fort Benning, Ga. Unlike their male counterparts, the women are not eligible to join the 75th Ranger Regiment that is considered an elite combat force.

This was the first time the Ranger School course has been open to women, and the Pentagon is reviewing its policies on women filling combat roles. A decision is expected later this year.

However, Graham convinced the women have earned the right to serve in a combat unit if they choose.

“Passing that program, going through the Ranger School and coming out successful is an amazing human feat,” Graham said while campaigning in Cedar Rapids on Tuesday evening. “So if these women want to go into war and protect my nation, as commander in chief, they’re ready to go, I’m ready to send them.”

That’s a turnabout for Graham, a third-term senator who retired earlier this year after 33 years in the Air Force.

“I have changed my mind, quite frankly,” he said. “They have earned the right to defend this country in the most dangerous fashion, which is being a ground soldier in combat.”

Graham acknowledged there have been questions about the effect on morale of women in combat units and that not all Americans may be ready to send women into combat.

“We’re all in this together,” Graham said. “ISIL (Islamic State) would kill everybody in America if they could get ahold of us. The fact that women want to go and fight radical Islam is a testament to American womanhood.”

If the women want to serve in combat, they could very well get the opportunity if Graham is elected president. He’s Graham is convinced the United States needs at least 10,000 ground troops in Iraq and Syria to “destroy the caliphate, pull it up by the roots.”

“If I could protect this nation without sending a soldier back to Iraq, I would, but I don’t know how,” Graham said, adding that airstrikes will not be enough to destroy the terrorists.

“If I’m president we’re going on the offensive,” he said at the monthly meeting of the Linn County Republican Central Committee. He would have the military “hold the ground until it’s safe to come home.”

“If we don’t get it right we’ll have another 9/11,” Graham said.

Addressing the nuclear agreement with Iran, Graham charged President Barack Obama “doesn’t know what he’s doing” and Secretary of State John Kerry “has no idea what he’s talking about.”

He called their agreement the “biggest miscalculation since Hitler,” referring to European nations’ appeasement policy toward the German dictator preceding World War II.

The agreement Kerry negotiated and Obama is asking Congress to approve gives radical jihadists “a pathway to a nuclear bomb,” Graham said.

Graham advised caucusgoers to take their first-in-the-nation role seriously.

“The next president will be chosen by the people of the United States,” he said. “Vote for a commander in chief worthy of the sacrifice of those who have served and will serve.

“Take care of them with your vote, because they are going to take care of you,” he said.

http://thegazette.com/subject/news/female-rangers-have-earned-right-to-fight-graham-20150818
 
They flunked in May but were allowed to recyle through a second time. I don't know if men are granted the same do-overs.http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Milita...ome-Rangers-say-standards-should-change-video

All eight female Ranger School students are being recycled and will not move forward this weekend to the mountain phase of the two-month course, officials from Fort Benning, Georgia, said.

The female soldiers, along with 101 male soldiers, will be recycled back into the Darby phase after failing to meet requirements, officials announced Friday. The next Darby phase begins Thursday at Fort Benning.

http://www.armytimes.com/story/mili...5/05/08/women-ranger-school-recycle/26984151/
 
You have to love the left in this country.... If the military can help them advance their agenda, then they are all for them. Once they get what they want, they go back to hating them again. In public they will say they support them, but not the war and call them hero's... in private, amongst friends, they despise them.
 
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You have to love the left in this country.... If the military can help them advance their agenda, then they are all for them. Once they get what they want, they go back to hating them again. In public they will say they support them, but not the war and call them hero's... in private, amongst friends, they despise them.


Once again, you live up to your screen name!
 
You have to love the left in this country.... If the military can help them advance their agenda, then they are all for them. Once they get what they want, they go back to hating them again. In public they will say they support them, but not the war and call them hero's... in private, amongst friends, they despise them.

The left long for the day where they will once again be allowed to openly spit on soldiers in airports...
 
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Equal rights, equal standards, equal fights. They made it, let em fight!

This. The US Army Rangers won't lower their standards, nor should they. Yes, men are recycled through the program as well.

A low percentage of men can make it through Ranger school, and an even lower percentage of women. It's just nature.

Having served in a combat arms MOS in the military, I have seen women buckle in combat situations when soldiers are dying. It was the only time I was in that situation with women and they didn't fair well. It was bad.

That being said, if these women can make it through Ranger school, then I would have no doubt that they would be able to perform in those combat situations. I would trust them with a rifle and my life.
 
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This. The US Army Rangers won't lower their standards, nor should they. Yes, men are recycled through the program as well.

A low percentage of men can make it through Ranger school, and an even lower percentage of women. It's just nature.

Having served in a combat arms MOS in the military, I have seen women buckle in combat situations when soldiers are dying. It was the only time I was in that situation with women and they didn't fair well. It was bad.

That being said, if these women can make it through Ranger school, then I would have no doubt that they would be able to perform in those combat situations. I would trust them with a rifle and my life.


The question has always been how are the men going to react when the female gets shot or is in mortal danger? What happens if one of them gets captured in combat by the enemy. Will the men unnecessarily put their lives in greater danger because they are women?
 
The question has always been how are the men going to react when the female gets shot or is in mortal danger? What happens if one of them gets captured in combat by the enemy. Will the men unnecessarily put their lives in greater danger because they are women?

Well here's the thing... We all made a pact that if we were ever being captured and dragged away, to just put a bullet in the head of the soldier being captured. It's what we all wanted. We would all rather be dead, than be tortured for the sensitive information we were privy to. I'm sure other units had similar pacts.

When you make it through Ranger school, you are viewed as a Ranger. Those women will be treated as Rangers. Soldiers put themselves in unnecessary danger all of of the time for each other. It won't matter that she's a woman.
 
This. The US Army Rangers won't lower their standards, nor should they. Yes, men are recycled through the program as well.

A low percentage of men can make it through Ranger school, and an even lower percentage of women. It's just nature.

Having served in a combat arms MOS in the military, I have seen women buckle in combat situations when soldiers are dying. It was the only time I was in that situation with women and they didn't fair well. It was bad.

That being said, if these women can make it through Ranger school, then I would have no doubt that they would be able to perform in those combat situations. I would trust them with a rifle and my life.

Great post...completely agree.
 
You shouldn't have worried.

I learned in another thread that torture is an ineffective way to gather intel from the enemy.

Guantanamo Bay is an all inclusive vacation compared to what American soldiers would have gotten.
 
The female Kurdish units seem to be outperforming the Iraqi army regulars. Plus, I thought I read somewhere that in ISIS version of Islam, if you are killed in combat by a woman, you don't get your virgins. I have no idea if my memory sucks, or if that was inaccurate. But if true, nothing like taking their lives and their salvation all at once.

If they can get through the school and they want to fight, they've earned the right. They're braver than me, so who I am to tell them they can't fight?
 
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I presume you saw men buckle too?

Meh...Personally? No. Are there men that I met in the military that I think would buckle? Sure. Do I think they would have buckled in the same way these women did? No.

It's one thing to flat out refuse to fight because your scared. It's another to do what these girls did.

It's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
 
Meh...Personally? No. Are there men that I met in the military that I think would buckle? Sure. Do I think they would have buckled in the same way these women did? No.

It's one thing to flat out refuse to fight because your scared. It's another to do what these girls did.

It's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
Would you be willing to give a general description of their actions? I am thinking mental breakdown and not being able to react to all that chaos or being able to compartmentalize what they are experiencing.
 
The female Kurdish units seem to be outperforming the Iraqi army regulars. Plus, I thought I read somewhere that in ISIS version of Islam, if you are killed in combat by a woman, you don't get your virgins. I have no idea if my memory sucks, or if that was inaccurate. But if true, nothing like taking their lives and their salvation all at once.

If they can get through the school and they want to fight, they've earned the right. They're braver than me, so who I am to tell them they can't fight?

This doesn't surprise me. I don't think it would surprise many who have dealt with the Iraqi Army regulars.
 
You have to love the left in this country.... If the military can help them advance their agenda, then they are all for them. Once they get what they want, they go back to hating them again. In public they will say they support them, but not the war and call them hero's... in private, amongst friends, they despise them.

I love the military. I love the people that bravely serve. I love them so much I was against squandering their lives in Iraq for a pocketful of lies. These women achieved something great. Honor them.
 
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Would you be willing to give a general description of their actions? I am thinking mental breakdown and not being able to react to all that chaos or being able to compartmentalize what they are experiencing.

That is exactly what I would call it.

In short, it was soldiers they knew that were dying, and them crying and screaming for help for someone who was already dead with their rifles on the ground while others were trying to kill them.

It's not that they refused to fight. They just couldn't. We literally had to throw them in to vehicles so they didn't get themselves or others killed.

That was my one experience with women in combat. Now, there are plenty of stories of woman performing well in those types of situations. Now I was not there, but I believe some stories to be exaggerated and/or not deserving of a silver star.

I've seen soldiers in combat arms units do those exact same things, even more, and get no recognition for it. Is it because these kinds of situations aren't supposed to happen to non-combat arms units? I believe they are awarded based on that.

It's not just women, but men in a non-combat MOS too. It's the direction the military is headed, IMO. Handing out participation awards. That isn't to say the some didn't earn the award. But I look at some of the reasons others are given the award, and I'm just like, "WTF? A Silver Star?".

Those awards should be reserved for the soldiers who truly earned it. It dilutes the significance of a Silver Star, Bronze Star, or even an ARCOM.

End of Rant.

Like I have stated earlier. If they can make it through Ranger School, that's good enough for me.
 
I love the military. I love the people that bravely serve. I love them so much I was against squandering their lives in Iraq for a pocketful of lies. These women achieved something great. Honor them.

I don't doubt that you care and don't take this the wrong way, but the men and women in the military don't need anyone to protect their lives. They know what they signed up for. If our government wants them to go to war to protect whatever interests they believe they are protecting, that's fine.

Truth be told, most soldiers want to go to war when they get out of basic. They want to put their training in to action. I would have felt like I wasted my time if I didn't go to war to be honest.

If you really care about soldiers, donate to programs that help veterans when they come home. A lot of veterans still need medical help; mental and physical. This is where our country is failing those that have served. I know I said they know what they signed up for, but they also didn't have to sign up. At the very least, our country owes it to them to offer as much as they can to help them try and return to a normal life.

I will say this though. The VA in Iowa City has been great and probably among the best in the country. This can't be said of most others. From what I heard, others are pretty bad.
 
Meh...Personally? No. Are there men that I met in the military that I think would buckle? Sure. Do I think they would have buckled in the same way these women did? No.

It's one thing to flat out refuse to fight because your scared. It's another to do what these girls did.

It's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Care to share the details? You seemed to be on board with their inclusion, but then posting this, one might infer you believe they are inherently unable to perform in specific circumstances, based on your personal experience.
 
Care to share the details? You seemed to be on board with their inclusion, but then posting this, one might infer you believe they are inherently unable to perform in specific circumstances, based on your personal experience.

Why can't you just be fine with me being on board with their inclusion?

I've already shared as much as I'm going to share about it. You must have missed it.

Let me ask you... Do you believe a woman's mental and physical makeup is the same as a man's?

What expertise do you have on combat that makes you think you're qualified to speak on it?
 
Critics have ripped the Army’s Ranger School for months about its willingness to include female students for the first time, and even more so this week after the service announced that two women will graduate from the school Friday. The service clearly dropped the standards to do so, the critics say, frequently citing rumors or unnamed Ranger School instructors they say they know.

Frustrated with the sniping, Maj. Jim Hathaway, the No. 2 officer in the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade overseeing Ranger School, took to Facebook to respond. No matter what Ranger School officials say, he said, some people will never give the women credit.

“We could have invited each of you to guest walk the entire course, and you would still not believe,” he wrote. “We could have video recorded every patrol and you would still say that we ‘gave’ it away. Nothing we say will change your opinion.”

First Lt. Kristen Griest, a military police officer, and 1st Lt. Shaye Haver, an Apache helicopter pilot, will be among 96 graduates at a Ranger School ceremony at Fort Benning, Ga., on Friday. Griest is expected to be promoted to captain afterward.


The Army Ranger School is set to graduate its first two female students, 1st Lts. Kristen Griest and Shaye Haver. The women started school April 20 alongside 380 men and 17 other women.
The comments, re-printed below with only light editing, have been widely redistributed on social media. The Washington Post asked for and received permission to republish them.

Among the officials named are Maj. Gen. A. Scott Miller, the commanding general at Fort Benning, Ga., and Maj. Gen. James Rainey, who was the brigadier general in charge of the U.S. Army Infantry School at Benning and since has been promoted and deployed to Afghanistan. Also named is Command Sgt. Maj. Curt Arnold, the senior enlisted soldier in the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade.

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Gentlemen,

I am not much for posting on social media, but feel that I should comment on the current situation at Ranger School. First and foremost the Ranger instructors are professional noncommissioned Officers and trained the Ranger students the same way they have since 1952. If you believe nothing else, you should have faith in your fellow Rangers to adhere to their beliefs and the Ranger Creed.

I have spent the last 18 months as the Ranger Training Brigade operations and training officer, and am now the RTB executive officer. I have been part of the process from start to finish and have watched the professionalism of the RIs in each phase. Bottom line; The RIs trained Ranger, period. I had the privilege of having RIs like Sgt. Firsts Class Grenier and Command Sgt. Maj. Purdy in Benning and Sgt. 1st Class Brimstin (now a retired command sergeant major) and Command Sgt. Maj. Edmunds in Mountains and Sgt. 1sts Class Hammond in Florida. Don’t really remember much after that, but I do remember their professionalism and what they taught me and I see the same thing today when I watch the current batch of instructors.

I would like to address a few of the rumors that have been floating around the Internet and to inject fact into the conversation.

1. The female students watched a Ranger Class before they went through the course — This is false. The females did not watch a course prior to coming through. I do find this funny, though. We have the Merrill’s Platoon members who perform operational forces [Editor’s note: Meaning they ambush Ranger students in training sessions] and support duties for RTB and then they end up going through training. Do they get an unfair advantage? NO. The school is hard, and it sucks. You can know the answers, but you still have to perform as evident by the pass rate of the Merrill’s Platoon members.

2. The females were afforded unprecedented recycle opportunities – The women were not afforded any advantage on recycles. They went through Darby Phase, recycled and were Darby inserts. Upon a second failure they were offered a Day 1 recycle. This means they started Day 1 and had to complete the Ranger Assessment Phase a second time. There is no advantage to this. Would any of you volunteered to go through RAP week twice and take a Day 1 recycle? Most people would not as evident by the several men who were also offered a Day 1, but declined. The Day 1 recycle precedent has been in place for many years, and is nothing new. Unless you have been part of the RTB leadership… and have sat on the academic boards you would not know how common it actually is.

3. Command Sgt. Maj. Arnold is the command sergeant major of the RTB and is the most professional NCO I have worked with in 26 years. At no time did he pass anyone on a patrol. Nor did he pressure anyone to pass anyone (Male or female). As with any good NCO, he was out in the field with his RIs. He has walked patrols before the females were here and will walk patrols after. If he wasn’t then there would be complaints that he was the type of NCO who sat in his office and did nothing. He was setting the standard for his subordinate leaders, but had no grading precedent on the patrol.

4. There have been all kinds of accusations that the class got more sleep less physical training and were coddled – That simply did not happen. Just watch the videos that were taken of the Darby Queen [obstacle course]. If you honestly think an RI was going to take it easy on this class, you are mistaken.

5. Packing List – There were no changes to the packing list except for the addition of a few items. There were no additional supplements or vitamins. There was no reduction in weight. It was the same except for the few female-specific items that the women carried.

6. The commanding general [Editor’s note: Miller] walked a patrol in each phase of Class 8-15. It was his 30th anniversary of attending Ranger School. He intentionally did not walk a patrol that a female was being graded on to ensure there was no conflict of interest. The infantry commandant [Editor’s note: Rainey for most of the female soldiers’ time at Ranger School] has walked patrols and so has the CG. This is not unprecedented.

7. Observer/Advisors – This subject has caused a lot of consternation. They are non-grading cadre [of women] who were assigned to the RTB to help. They had no authority and they worked for the chain of command.

8. The ridiculous rumor that President Obama was coming to this graduation and that RIs were told to pass them before they even started Florida is absolutely false. He isn’t/wasn’t coming to graduation. [Editor’s note: A White House official confirmed that is accurate.]

9. The final comment I will say is this. No matter what we at Ranger School say the non-believers will still be non-believers. We could have invited each of you to guest walk the entire course, and you would still not believe, we could have video recorded every patrol and you would still say that we “gave” it away. Nothing we say will change your opinion. I and the rest of our cadre are proud of the conduct of our soldiers, NCOs and officers, they took the mission assigned and performed to the Ranger Standard. Rangers Lead the Way!!!!!

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