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200,000 dead Americans.

Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Mina said HE WOULD SET THE FIGURE AT 30, OR EVEN LESS! (emphasis added) Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result.

The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said it is examining the use of cycle threshold measures “for policy decisions.” The agency said it would need to collaborate with the FDA and with device manufacturers to ensure the measures “can be used properly and with assurance that we know what they mean.”


Criminal fraud.
:rolleyes:
 
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“Full of shit people”...youmean like my President and his supporters?

what does “supporter” mean? Be specific.
Giving money to campaign?
Planning on voting for him?
Agree with some of his positions on issues?
 
Do either of you think Trump could or should have done anything differently?

It is always easy to speculate after the fact, but there has been a lot of criticism of how Trump has handled this pandemic for months now. He was still criticizing Governor Cooper at the RNC for not letting him have a full convention in Charlotte even after Jacksonville pulled out later. It is impossible to know how things could have been if someone else was in charge, but it is fair to question the person in charge. The great philosopher Donald Trump taught us that when Obama was in Office.
I think he could have had a better attitude about it in the beginning. Made it a little more serious than he did. But I’m not sure how much different things would have been. There was no way it wasn’t going to spread like wild fire once it got started.
 
Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Mina said HE WOULD SET THE FIGURE AT 30, OR EVEN LESS! (emphasis added) Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result.

The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said it is examining the use of cycle threshold measures “for policy decisions.” The agency said it would need to collaborate with the FDA and with device manufacturers to ensure the measures “can be used properly and with assurance that we know what they mean.”


Criminal fraud.
:rolleyes:

Again: other countries are using the same tests.
 
I think he could have had a better attitude about it in the beginning. Made it a little more serious than he did. But I’m not sure how much different things would have been. There was no way it wasn’t going to spread like wild fire once it got started.
Once the infection rate hits 1% in a population the horse is already out of the barn.

The virus at that point will spread in spite of mitigation efforts.
 
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Once the infection rate hits 1% in a population the horse is already out of the barn.

The virus at that point will spread in spite of mitigation efforts.

Really?

Because NY has really knocked the spread down, by large margins.
So has Italy.

It's almost like you cannot read or something.
 
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Again: other countries are using the same tests.
Same tests, different CT’s = artificial pandemic.

When people claim this bug was created in a lab they’re actually getting close to the truth. It’s just not a lab in Wuhan. :rolleyes:
 
And if they try to open back up the number of cases goes up.

That wasn't the claim made.
They knocked it down. Period.

If they reopen "normally", then yes, there will be resurgence.
Opening carefully, while maintaining some protections can keep the spread low.

Which, again, is what most countries are doing.
 
200,000 deaths isn't nearly enough to warrant the shut downs and life alterations over 330,000,000 million United States Citizens have had to make.
 
BS. Plenty of Cucklibtard female countries led by snail trail female “leaders” did FAR better than Drumpf did. Like 10,000x better, literally.

Here's a list of countries with more deaths per million than the United States has:

San Marino
Peru
Belgium
Andorra
Spain
United Kingdom
Chile
Bolivia
Ecuador
Brazil
Italy

Sweden and Mexico are hot on our tail.
 
Here's a list of countries with more deaths per million than the United States has:

San Marino
Peru
Belgium
Andorra
Spain
United Kingdom
Chile
Bolivia
Ecuador
Brazil
Italy

Sweden and Mexico are hot on our tail.
Wasn’t Spain a country that went hardcore lockdown ? Fat lot of good that did.

protect the old, warn the lardasses and those with health issues. Mandate masks and get on living.
 
Really?

Because NY has really knocked the spread down, by large margins.
So has Italy.

It's almost like you cannot read or something.
“...the effectiveness of pandemic mitigation strategies will erode rapidly as the cumulative illness rate prior to implementation climbs above 1% of the population in an infected area.” (per CDC)

Lockdowns, masks, etc. are the equivalent of chasing our collective tails at that point.
 
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“...the effectiveness of pandemic mitigation strategies will erode rapidly as the cumulative illness rate prior to implementation climbs above 1% of the population in an infected area.” (per CDC)

Lockdowns, masks, etc. are the equivalent of chasing our collective tails at that point.

....and that's why NY went into full lockdown mode.

If you KEEP the spread low, you CAN reopen many things. If events like Sturgis create a resurgence (because cautious reopening guidelines were not followed), you'll need to lock down, again.

You prevent this large yo-yo effect, by maintaining modest distancing protocols AND mandating masks. And there should be severe penalties for not masking indoors.
 
Here's a list of countries with more deaths per million than the United States has:

San Marino
Peru
Belgium
Andorra
Spain
United Kingdom
Chile
Bolivia
Ecuador
Brazil
Italy

Sweden and Mexico are hot on our tail.

Now list the ones with far lower deaths per million.

FWIW, we're going to pass Italy within about a week.
 
....and that's why NY went into full lockdown mode.

If you KEEP the spread low, you CAN reopen many things. If events like Sturgis create a resurgence (because cautious reopening guidelines were not followed), you'll need to lock down, again.

You prevent this large yo-yo effect, by maintaining modest distancing protocols AND mandating masks. And there should be severe penalties for not masking indoors.
LOFL

Once you hit a 1% infection rate lockdowns and other mitigation factors are useless. Are the NY pols so smart that they knew - prior to widespread testing* - that they could shut down once infection rate hit 9/10ths of a percent and it could be ‘beat down’? 😂 😂 😂 😂


*useless as well
 
LOFL

Once you hit a 1% infection rate lockdowns and other mitigation factors are useless.[/URL]

Again: no, they are not. Italy and NY proved this. They had very high infection incidence, and knocked it down.

FWIW, so did China.
 
Really?

Because NY has really knocked the spread down, by large margins.
So has Italy.

It's almost like you cannot read or something.
Maybe NY should tell Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, etc., how to do it. Go check out Wisconsin’s current spike since the last protested police shooting. I dare you.
 
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200,000 deaths isn't nearly enough to warrant the shut downs and life alterations over 330,000,000 million United States Citizens have had to make.

If you think 330 million Americans altered their life in any way, shape or form, you're seriously out of your mind. Largest impact has been on metropolitan areas. Rural America has given exactly zero fuggs about this and that's why many are now or were hot spots. Oh, and that is plenty of your 330 million.
 
In the next 1-2 days, we will reach this milestone. From a virus that the President of the United States assured us was not real, maybe would die out before it could become anything, certainly would die out when the weather turned hot, assuredly will die out when the weather gets cold, 'is what it is', you can counteract if you ingest bleach, turned over fighting it to the states, hopes we can find a vaccine so he can get re-elected, does not believe his own scientists recommendation on fighting it... these tRumpisms could go on forever. If ANYTHING points to not deserving to be re-elected, his total lack of a plan to stop and counteract this pandemic screams ineptness. 200,000 dead and counting. What will the number be by election day?
Fauci said we had nothing to be concerned about. In 1968 when we had half the population, we had half as many deaths from a new flu as well. This stuff happens, it happens the same way. You feel vindicated by pointing to one person for a world affliction, says something about you.
 
If you think 330 million Americans altered their life in any way, shape or form, you're seriously out of your mind. Largest impact has been on metropolitan areas. Rural America has given exactly zero fuggs about this and that's why many are now or were hot spots. Oh, and that is plenty of your 330 million.

I'm pretty sure almost all travel was closed down to major tourist spots across the country.

Wasn't pretty much every single school district closed school from in-person learning from mid-March to the end of the spring 2020 school year?

Didn't March March Madness cancel, and weren't the NBA and MLB cancelled for months.

Aren't most college football conferences still cancelled along with all other fall sports within those conferences?

Didn't the DJIA touch 19,000 points? Didn't millions of people lose their jobs?

You're the one who's seriously out of your mind. Iowa is rural and Iowans have been drastically affected.
 
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Fauci said we had nothing to be concerned about.

Little did Fauci know how incompetent and grifting the Trump Admin response would be.

US was ranked #1 for pandemic preparedness before this hit. We're near the bottom of the Western nations in our outcome.

Up is Down
Left is Right

Most Prepared is Least Effective
 
So far in this thread, cons have blamed Dr. Fauci, questioned the significance of 200k dead Americans, and brought up abortions. LMAO. Looking forward to more gems.

Don’t forget all the lies from Team Joe Biden...which you probably still believe
 
This is like 10 weekends in Chicago of dead Americans plus 6 weekends in Baltimore piled on top!

While you’re playing the Blame Game... do you blame Andrew Cuomo for direct actions that killed thousands and thousands of New Yorkers?
 
I'm pretty sure almost all travel was closed down to major tourist spots across the country.

Wasn't pretty much every single school district closed school from in-person learning from mid-March to the end of the spring 2020 school year?

Didn't March March Madness cancel, and weren't the NBA and MLB cancelled for months.

Aren't most college football conferences still cancelled along with all other fall sports within those conferences?

Didn't the DJIA touch 19,000 points? Didn't millions of people lose their jobs?

You're the one who's seriously out of your mind. Iowa is rural and Iowans have been drastically affected.
How high would the number of deaths be if all of these things didn't happen? 200k is after all of these mitigation efforts.
 
How high would the number of deaths be if all of these things didn't happen? 200k is after all of these mitigation efforts.
I don't think all that much higher. Even if it would have been 1,000,000...... We never should have closed. The bottom line is 75% of the people who have died are over the age of 75 and would have probably died in the next 1–3 years anyway. Of the remaining 25%, well over half of those people are over the age of 65, many of which have made poor choices in life causing them to have one or more morbidities. The amount of normally healthy people under the age of 65 who have died from this virus is extremely low. And you don't force 330 million people to drastically alter their lives and put tens of millions out of work to save the lives of such a small, fragile, few.
 
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