Because he wanted the federal government to murder his wife?Why do you think Weaver said people shouldn't mix?
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Because he wanted the federal government to murder his wife?Why do you think Weaver said people shouldn't mix?
You're a special kind of stupid aren't you? The jury did not sit in judgement on whether or not he was a POS. Lots of POS get acquitted every day and it's not because the jury thinks that they're not POS, it's because the state/feds did not prove that they did the crime they were accused of beyond a reasonable doubt.#3 negates #1 and #2, the Feds had no business there. The fact that you say he is a POS does not make him so. A jury took all the above into account and acquitted him, then the government paid out large sums in a civil settlement. Obviously the jury didn't consider him a POS. I think you may be a POS, does the federal government now have a right to entrap you, then kill your family members. Your logic is completely absent.
If you don't think the opinion of a jury regarding a person's character comes in to play in their decision, I think YOU are a special kind of stupid. I realize that with you beta boys that you think nothing is worth fighting for, the fact that he tried to protect his family from a government that had already begun shooting....yes makes him a hero. He did the right thing. And oh no, oh my god, he sold a sawed off shot gun.....let's kill his family. You anti-second amendment freaks make me sick.You're a special kind of stupid aren't you? The jury did not sit in judgement on whether or not he was a POS. Lots of POS get acquitted every day and it's not because the jury thinks that they're not POS, it's because the state/feds did not prove that they did the crime they were accused of beyond a reasonable doubt.
If I try to sell the feds illegal arms thinking that they are a white power group I deserve to be arrested and prosecuted. If I refuse to be taken into custody and partake in a firefight then I'm legally to blame for all the deaths of my loved ones and anyone else killed in the fight. It also makes me a bigger POS for endangering my family. That you pick him as a hero says a lot about you.
So in clown's world the jury thought that Casey Anthony was a good person, not a total POS when they acquitted her? OJ too? They both personal heros to you as well?If you don't think the opinion of a jury regarding a person's character comes in to play in their decision, I think YOU are a special kind of stupid. I realize that with you beta boys that you think nothing is worth fighting for, the fact that he tried to protect his family from a government that had already began shooting....yes makes him a hero. He did the right thing. And oh no, oh my god, he sold a sawed off shot gun.....let's kill his family. You anti-second amendment freaks make me sick.
I have no idea who Casey Anthony is, OJ was a case of reverse racism and an incompetent prosecutor. As a matter of fact most of the jury were a little star struck, which again negates your argument.So in clown's world the jury thought that Casey Anthony was a good person, not a total POS when they acquitted her? OJ too? They both personal heros to you as well?
They didn't kill his family because he sold an illegal weapon. His family was killed because he was a selfish POS who decided he'd rather endanger their lives than face the consequences for his actions. You remember all that talk about personal responsibility right? Remember when you guys used to believe in it? Of course we know that was bullshit too.
Wow, every single one of those agents should still be in jail........the left says it is ok, Randy Weaver was white and had religious beliefs.FBI MUTANT NINJAS
The surviving marshals trooped down the mountain and called for help. As Weaver retrieved his son’s body, the FBI’s elite paramilitary Hostage Rescue Team boarded a plane in Washington, D.C. Almost 400 state and federal agents surrounded the site of the standoff. Although no shots came from the cabin, FBI team commander Richard Rogers changed the standard rules of engagement. The HRT sharpshooters were told to shoot any armed adult male on sight, whether he posed an immediate threat or not.
The next day, August 22, Randy Weaver – with daughter Sara and Kevin Harris – walked from his cabin to the little shack where his son’s body lay. As he lifted the latch on the shack’s door, Weaver was shot from behind by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. Weaver struggled back to the cabin while his wife, Vicki, stood in the doorway, holding their ten-month-old infant in her arms and calling for her husband to hurry.
Horiuchi testified that after shooting Weaver in the back, he followed Kevin Harris through his telescopic sight, leading slightly. He fired as the man rushed through the door of the cabin. According to The New York Times, Horiuchi, who claimed he could hit a target at a distance of 200 meters within a quarter of an inch, said he had “decided to neutralize that male and his rifle.” Instead, he hit Vicki Weaver in the temple, killing her. The bullet that passed through Vicki Weaver’s skull wounded Harris.
The paramilitary team then switched to psychological warfare. As The Washington Times’ Jerry Seper reported, “Court records show that while the woman’s body lay in the cabin for eight days, the FBI used megaphones to taunt the family. Good morning, Mrs. Weaver. We had pancakes for breakfast. What did you have?’”
Weaver surrendered after 11 days.
At the subsequent trial, the government sought to prove that Weaver had conspired for nine years to have an armed confrontation with the government. An Idaho jury found Weaver innocent of almost all charges and ruled that Kevin Harris’ shooting of the U.S. marshal had been in self-defense.
Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Louis Freeh justified the FBI shooting of Randy Weaver because sniper Horiuchi saw one of the suspects raise a weapon in the direction of a helicopter carrying other FBI personnel. But other federal officials testified at Weaver’s trial that there were no helicopters in the vicinity of the Weavers’ cabin at the time of the shooting.
Freeh also said the FBI’s next shot – the one that killed Vicki Weaver – was justified and that the killing was accidental. Freeh declared, “The question is whether someone running into a fortified position who is going to shoot at you is as much a threat to you as somebody turning in an open space and pointing a gun at you. I don’t distinguish between those.” Not even when the fortified position is a cabin filled with children?
Freeh found 12 FBI officials guilty of “inadequate performance, improper judgment, neglect of duty and failure to exert proper managerial oversight.” However, the heaviest penalty that Freeh imposed was 15 days unpaid leave, and that for only four agents. As The New York Times reported, Freeh has imposed heavier penalties for FBI agents who used their official cars to drive their children to school.
One of the most disturbing aspects of Freeh’s actions has been his treatment of Larry Potts, Freeh’s pick as acting deputy FBI director. Potts was the senior official in charge of the Idaho operation and defended the shoot-to-kill orders. Despite the finding of a Justice Department confidential report that the orders had violated constitutional rights, Freeh recommended that Potts face only the penalty of a letter of censure. That is the same penalty that Freeh received when he lost an FBI cellular telephone.
James Bovard is author of “Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty.”
Where did I say all cops are racist?Racist POS? He was acquitted....... how do you know he was racist? Because he owned guns and didn't want to infiltrate a racist group? So all cops are racists huh? Keep it up, people like you are why the conservatives will win big in November. Keep hating.
He gave interviews wearing a t-shirt that said ZOG on it. Not at all weird given your posting history that you jump to the defense of Weaver.You and Hunter been hitting the CrackPipe?
Ah, yes. The poor white religious people, always being persecuted against. I hope your life hasn’t been too much of a struggle because of your race and beliefs! Lol!Wow, every single one of those agents should still be in jail........the left says it is ok, Randy Weaver was white and had religious beliefs.
Ah yes, white guilt, the lefty's blanket.Ah, yes. The poor white religious people, always being persecuted against. I hope your life hasn’t been too much of a struggle because of your race and beliefs! Lol!
I guess you like saying racist when the definition of racist hasn’t been established. Just yelling racist doesn’t make someone that way. You try too hard.Look at Pissy Pants go in this thread trying to defend the self described racist as not being racist.
God help me, but this train wreck of a handle still amuses me.
Similar comments were made when the Jews were being exterminated. Just sayin’Ah, yes. The poor white religious people, always being persecuted against. I hope your life hasn’t been too much of a struggle because of your race and beliefs! Lol!
A 14 year old kid got shot first, but don’t let that factor in pussywillowBlack guy resists police unarmed and dies and cons say "Well if he wouldn't have resisted this wouldn't have happened"
White dude resists police via gunfire and he's a poor innocent soul who just wanted to be left alone.
They killed the dog and boy firstAfter law enforcement had already been shot at.
It was clearly a mistake to hit the wife but she wasn't the one being shot at.
Cops shoot lots of dogs. Most people don’t return fire over it.They killed the dog and boy first
I was pointing out what Happened, which isn’t what Hoosier said. I’m with the arrest warrant, I’m even ok with the undercover sting. Not ok with the agent giving him the wrong court date, agents coming through the woods, shooting the dog, returning lethal fire. It was cluster…. We know it wasn’t racist though, so good kill, right?Cops shoot lots of dogs. Most people don’t return fire over it.
But the right only seems to care when racists get killed doing it.
The wrong date was months before standoff, it’s irrelevant. Cops shoot 20-30 dog PER DAY. Most people aren’t shooting back. Of course most people make their court hearings. And hardly any people barricade themselves in a compound filled with illegal weapons instead.I was pointing out what Happened, which isn’t what Hoosier said. I’m with the arrest warrant, I’m even ok with the undercover sting. Not ok with the agent giving him the wrong court date, agents coming through the woods, shooting the dog, returning lethal fire. It was cluster…. We know it wasn’t racist though, so good kill, right?
The barricading was after the boy was killed, the agents didn’t identify themselves when they shot the boy. Look, I’m not arguing that weaver was innocent, he is a douche, but the government looks real bad here.The wrong date was months before standoff, it’s irrelevant. Cops shoot 20-30 dog PER DAY. Most people aren’t shooting back. Of course most people make their court hearings. And hardly any people barricade themselves in a compound filled with illegal weapons instead.
Curious if you feel the same way about 1000s' of illegal aliens skipping out on their court dates. By your logic the Feds are justified to shoot them all.The wrong date was months before standoff, it’s irrelevant. Cops shoot 20-30 dog PER DAY. Most people aren’t shooting back. Of course most people make their court hearings. And hardly any people barricade themselves in a compound filled with illegal weapons instead.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."The barricading was after the boy was killed, the agents didn’t identify themselves when they shot the boy. Look, I’m not arguing that weaver was innocent, he is a douche, but the government looks real bad here.
Who fired at a person first?The barricading was after the boy was killed, the agents didn’t identify themselves when they shot the boy. Look, I’m not arguing that weaver was innocent, he is a douche, but the government looks real bad here.
Yeah. Truly ridiculous to claim his racism, which I’ve yet to find any actual evidence of, justifies the actions of the feds which were overreach at best.Once again, people are mixing the issues. The Feds were clearly wrong in many ways in how they handled this. There's ample evidence of that. That doesn't mean Randy Weaver isn't a POS racist. And Randy Weaver being a POS racist doesn't justify how the Feds acted.