37 Hawkeye & Cyclone players/athletes are now part of Federal Lawsuit

[Franisdaman]

the full text of the tweet:

11 more current and former Cyclones and Hawkeyes join federal lawsuit over sports gambling, bringing total to 37.

The athletes allege a violation of their constitutional rights and that law enforcement officers did not intervene to stop violations that they knew were occurring by fellow officers.

The plaintiffs asked for and have been given authority to join the suit brought by Eyioma Uwazurike, via Sandy Law Firm and Palmer Perlstein.

The full story from yesterday:

https://who13.com/news/11-more-former-hawkeye-and-cyclone-athletes-join-federal-lawsuit-over-sports-gambling/

The related tweet:

 

[so cal hawkfan]

So Abe, big Tony, Nelson Brands, Sebreicht, Kennedy, Swafford and Schriever. Am I missing anybody?

 

[el dub]

I hope they sue their pants off.

 

[SittingSwitch]

I hope they sue their pants off.

And get compensated for lost NIL money too! Now NCAA athletes are businesses and have a worth then should seek lost revenues etc. My point is that the new NIL environment makes the damages so much higher than if this happened 5 years ago, where it would have been simply a loss of eligibility....

 

[SansAgain]

I hope they sue their pants off.

Noted

 

[Inthecircle]

Noted

Under the bridge?

 

[el dub]

Under the bridge?

Naw. That would have been “duely,” noted.

 

[Franisdaman]

I hope they sue their pants off.

And get compensated for lost NIL money too! Now NCAA athletes are businesses and have a worth then should seek lost revenues etc. My point is that the new NIL environment makes the damages so much higher than if this happened 5 years ago, where it would have been simply a loss of eligibility....

The damage done should garner a NET PAY (after the lawyers' cut) of at least $1M per individual, imo.

Hell, a jury might award much, much more (when you add in punitive damages).

I hope all 37 individuals end up set for life.

 

[HawkeyePA]

The damage done should garner a NET PAY (after the lawyers' cut) of at least $1M per individual, imo.

Hell, a jury might award much, much more (when you add in punitive damages).

I hope all 37 individuals end up set for life.

I agree 100% . The only sad part is that the State system has to fork over tax dollars for compensation , while the jagoff that did the deed gets off with a warning or perhaps a letter in his personal file. Even getting the dude fired wouldn't bring any real gains to these student athletes. I truly hope they get the compensation they deserve but I think the real " Turd in the punch bowl" basically floats away without any real financial punishment.

 

[MSU158]

The damage done should garner a NET PAY (after the lawyers' cut) of at least $1M per individual, imo.

Hell, a jury might award much, much more (when you add in punitive damages).

I hope all 37 individuals end up set for life.

Why do you think they deserve money, let alone such a ridiculous amount? They weren't charged or even detained for anything criminal and they DID in fact break a rule they were well aware of, or at least should have been as there are classes/meetings that are mandated to attend to educate them on these rules. That RULE they broke, is why they were sanctioned.

Look, if a wife beater was caught due to an illegal search, does he deserve to be compensated? Just as much? Where is the difference? Because what he did is worse, having his rights violated in the exact same way, shouldn't "earn" him the same award?

Now, that isn't to say that EVERY single "rights violator" shouldn't be punished by losing their job and also receive the proper legal sanctions. They absolutely should. That entire department should be put on some form of "probation" with the proper "oversight" to make sure they run 'clean" moving forward.

Simply put, they did NOT lose out on wrestling because of an illegal search. They lost out on wrestling because they broke a rule and received the punishment the rules pretty clearly stated was coming. Is the rule archaic? Absolutely. Do I think the NCAA went overboard enforcing it when they could and should have been more lenient? Again, absolutely. But, that doesn't mean the wrestlers deserve to be paid substantial monies as a result...

 

[T8KUDWN]

The damage done should garner a NET PAY (after the lawyers' cut) of at least $1M per individual, imo.

Hell, a jury might award much, much more (when you add in punitive damages).

I hope all 37 individuals end up set for life.

How would you justify $1M per individual?
I want to see the athletes get something out of this but a minimum of a million each is pretty wild.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I agree 100% . The only sad part is that the State system has to fork over tax dollars for compensation , while the jagoff that did the deed gets off with a warning or perhaps a letter in his personal file. Even getting the dude fired wouldn't bring any real gains to these student athletes. I truly hope they get the compensation they deserve but I think the real " Turd in the punch bowl" basically floats away without any real financial punishment.

From a conversation I had with one of the athletes that lost a year of eligibility from this, there is a good possibility the jagoff that went rogue will face jail time.

 

[TrollsRus]

Look, if a wife beater was caught due to an illegal search, does he deserve to be compensated? Just as much? Where is the difference?

Difference? 🤣 You have some good takes but this is so bad.

 

[MSU158]

Difference? 🤣 You have some good takes but this is so bad.

Actually, it was 100% intentional. Look the “violation” of their “rights” would be the EXACT SAME for both. The point is that both would 100% rightly have received the punishment they deserved even though it was initially found in an illegal fashion.

So, again, why would one deserve a large sum of money, while the other would not? And here is some added context to show what both “lost” after the punishment. The wife beater was subsequently fired from a job that paid him $500k annually. While the wrestlers lost a year of eligibility and possibly scholarship and NIL endorsements.

So, to be clear, both were victims of an illegal search that found they were 100% guilty of a violation that caused them to lose both money and an “occupation”.

 

[Herkuleez5]

I agree with MSU158, why do they deserve at least $1M? I get it that it was an illegal search but they did break the law. I would say if anything the money should go to an independent review board or some type of training to make sure illegal searches do not happen again and if it does then this is the penalty. The money getting thrown around with NIL these days makes we almost want to stop watching college athletics and go out on the lake instead. With that being said I think the NCAA and all the conference heads should not be making millions or billions on the athletes either. It is ridiculous to say the least.

 

[MitchLL]

Republican leaders in Des Moines should have squashed this investigation before it got started.

Just total incompetence.

 

[TrollsRus]

Actually, it was 100% intentional. Look the “violation” of their “rights” would be the EXACT SAME for both. The point is that both would 100% rightly have received the punishment they deserved even though it was initially found in an illegal fashion.

So, again, why would one deserve a large sum of money, while the other would not?

Terrible example to draw some kind of parallel.

How about you forfeit your salary for a year for simply (and intentionally) leaving something off your tax returns cuz it seemed harmless and didn’t think you would get caught. And the kicker is it wasn’t an IRS audit that caught it. Rather a shady separate entity that reported it to the IRS. Hope that sits well with you. After all, you broke the law. You deserved it.

Probably not a good example but a heck of a lot better than your wife beater analogy.

 

[bammhawk1]

From a conversation I had with one of the athletes that lost a year of eligibility from this, there is a good possibility the jagoff that went rogue will face jail time.

I’d be shocked if he faced jail time. Kind of hope so, but I doubt it

 

[tigerguy_]

Why do you think they deserve money, let alone such a ridiculous amount? They weren't charged or even detained for anything criminal and they DID in fact break a rule they were well aware of, or at least should have been as there are classes/meetings that are mandated to attend to educate them on these rules. That RULE they broke, is why they were sanctioned.

Look, if a wife beater was caught due to an illegal search, does he deserve to be compensated? Just as much? Where is the difference? Because what he did is worse, having his rights violated in the exact same way, shouldn't "earn" him the same award?

Now, that isn't to say that EVERY single "rights violator" shouldn't be punished by losing their job and also receive the proper legal sanctions. They absolutely should. That entire department should be put on some form of "probation" with the proper "oversight" to make sure they run 'clean" moving forward.

Simply put, they did NOT lose out on wrestling because of an illegal search. They lost out on wrestling because they broke a rule and received the punishment the rules pretty clearly stated was coming. Is the rule archaic? Absolutely. Do I think the NCAA went overboard enforcing it when they could and should have been more lenient? Again, absolutely. But, that doesn't mean the wrestlers deserve to be paid substantial monies as a result...

There are some nuances to a couple of the individuals charged in this case that aren't public knowledge, but will be brought to light the further this thing goes along, which is why the state of Iowa is fighting so hard against this. It might change your opinion on how much these guys should be paid.

 

[MitchLL]

I’d be shocked if he faced jail time. Kind of hope so, but I doubt it

Bird and Reynolds need a scapegoat, but there won't be any jail time.

Someone gets "reassigned" is my guess.

The State doesn't want this to go to trial.
There will be a financial settlement with the concession that not all details will go public.

 

[BigTenHawkeye]

I agree with MSU158, why do they deserve at least $1M? I get it that it was an illegal search but they did break the law. I would say if anything the money should go to an independent review board or some type of training to make sure illegal searches do not happen again and if it does then this is the penalty. The money getting thrown around with NIL these days makes we almost want to stop watching college athletics and go out on the lake instead. With that being said I think the NCAA and all the conference heads should not be making millions or billions on the athletes either. It is ridiculous to say the least.

Not all of them broke the law

 

[tigerguy_]

Not all of them broke the law

Not all of them broke NCAA rules too.

 

[MitchLL]

This "investigation" was a gigantic abuse of power.

BAU for this State.

 

[MSU158]

Terrible example to draw some kind of parallel.

How about you forfeit your salary for a year for simply (and intentionally) leaving something off your tax returns cuz it seemed harmless and didn’t think you would get caught. And the kicker is it wasn’t an IRS audit that caught it. Rather a shady separate entity that reported it to the IRS. Hope that sits well with you. After all, you broke the law. You deserved it.

Probably not a good example but a heck of a lot better than your wife beater analogy.

Again, the extreme difference in the “violation” that was “illegally” found is the ENTIRE point. Why? Because the “violation” is not what you are seeking compensation for. You are seeking compensation for what was “lost” that presumably would not have been if not for the “illegal” search.

But, how can you ignore that what you lost was ACTUALLY due to something you absolutely should not have done and should absolutely have known you shouldn’t have and the resulting penalties. Because one wrongdoing is much less egregious than the other, should one benefit from it while the other should not? Should both? Neither?

 

[T8KUDWN]

Bird and Reynolds need a scapegoat, but there won't be any jail time.

Someone gets "reassigned" is my guess.

The State doesn't want this to go to trial.
There will be a financial settlement with the concession that not all details will go public.

Your first 2 sentences show you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[tigerguy_]

But, how can you ignore that what you lost was ACTUALLY due to something you absolutely should not have done and should absolutely have known you shouldn’t have and the resulting penalties. Because one wrongdoing is much less egregious than the other, should one benefit from it while the other should not? Should both? Neither?

Like I said, there are things that aren't public knowledge, and you are painting everyone in this case with a very broad brush. Maybe just hold on until the facts become evident to the public before getting on your soapbox?

 

[MitchLL]

Your first 2 sentences show you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Disagree.
You don't understand how these things typically go.

I will happily discuss this down the road when things are sorted out.

 

[MSU158]

There are some nuances to a couple of the individuals charged in this case that aren't public knowledge, but will be brought to light the further this thing goes along, which is why the state of Iowa is fighting so hard against this. It might change your opinion on how much these guys should be paid.

Like I said, everyone responsible for the “illegal” search should be punished accordingly. My contention is simply about "deserving" money for that illegal search. I am admittedly not a big fan of suing for monetary gain. To endorse it, the "damages" need to not only be directly resulting from the transgression, but "real" and substantial....

Maybe, what you are alluding to, that isn't public knowledge, crosses that threshold. But, until then, I am simply talking about what IS public record so far...

 

[T8KUDWN]

Disagree.
You don't understand how these things typically go.

I will happily discuss this down the road when things are sorted out.

I do understand how things "typically" go, and I also understand how this situation was not "typical".

I look forward to a discussion on this later on.

 

[IAChief32]

I agree 100% . The only sad part is that the State system has to fork over tax dollars for compensation , while the jagoff that did the deed gets off with a warning or perhaps a letter in his personal file. Even getting the dude fired wouldn't bring any real gains to these student athletes. I truly hope they get the compensation they deserve but I think the real " Turd in the punch bowl" basically floats away without any real financial punishment.

If this were the federal gov, he’d probably get promoted and moved to another jurisdiction. Same with his supervisor who approved the legit investigation.

 

[Herkuleez5]

Not all of them broke the law

Not all of them broke NCAA rules too.

If that is the case then they should not be a part of this lawsuit then correct? If they broke no law or NCAA rule then they should have been competing right or am I missing something?

 

[12tdsaw]

i know something you don't know-putz

 

[bammhawk1]

i know something you don't know-putz

😉

 

[el dub]

Why do you think they deserve money, let alone such a ridiculous amount? They weren't charged or even detained for anything criminal and they DID in fact break a rule they were well aware of, or at least should have been as there are classes/meetings that are mandated to attend to educate them on these rules. That RULE they broke, is why they were sanctioned.

Look, if a wife beater was caught due to an illegal search, does he deserve to be compensated? Just as much? Where is the difference? Because what he did is worse, having his rights violated in the exact same way, shouldn't "earn" him the same award?

Now, that isn't to say that EVERY single "rights violator" shouldn't be punished by losing their job and also receive the proper legal sanctions. They absolutely should. That entire department should be put on some form of "probation" with the proper "oversight" to make sure they run 'clean" moving forward.

Simply put, they did NOT lose out on wrestling because of an illegal search. They lost out on wrestling because they broke a rule and received the punishment the rules pretty clearly stated was coming. Is the rule archaic? Absolutely. Do I think the NCAA went overboard enforcing it when they could and should have been more lenient? Again, absolutely. But, that doesn't mean the wrestlers deserve to be paid substantial monies as a result...

Only one way to get the authorities to follow the law, imo. And that’s to make them pay for their illegal behavior. Money is really the only redress in this case, imo. The agents were breaking the law and told as much by coworkers. They then proceeded with their investigation/punishment of the targeted athletes. Btw, I had no problem with the investigation or punishment until learning details of the case and the wrongdoing by investigators.

 

[Franisdaman]

How would you justify $1M per individual?
I want to see the athletes get something out of this but a minimum of a million each is pretty wild.

what the state agents did was pretty wild, too.

 

[Franisdaman]

There are some nuances to a couple of the individuals charged in this case that aren't public knowledge, but will be brought to light the further this thing goes along, which is why the state of Iowa is fighting so hard against this. It might change your opinion on how much these guys should be paid.

Do you think the lawyers for the athletes will want to take this to trial so it all comes out? A pre-trial settlement likely would keep things confidential.

 

[Franisdaman]

This "investigation" was a gigantic abuse of power.

BAU for this State.

And that's why a jury might reward punitive damages where the total cost to the state of Iowa is well over $100M.

The state needs to be sent a message that this cannot happen again and you send a message by rewarding the plaintiffs significantly.

 

[PD4thespawn]

Do they have qualified immunity? Sue them personally if not.

 

[MitchLL]

Do you think the lawyers for the athletes will want to take this to trial so it all comes out? A pre-trial settlement likely would keep things confidential.

You didn't address your question to me, but it's highly likely the lawyers for the athletes would LOVE to have this go to trial.
It's the State that probably doesn't.

 

[acuhawk]

I don't think the athletes deserve much money, but everyone that knew about the investigation should be fired, and the key folks should get a long time in jail.