50 subs go 'missing' from North Korean ports.......yikes.

[Aegon_Targaryen]

http://www.vancouversun.com/busines...om+their+bases+talks+with/11313070/story.html

Tokyo — South Korea’s military has expressed concern at intelligence reports that indicate that more than 50 North Korean submarines have sortied from their bases.

The sheer number of vessels that have put to sea means it is impossible to track all of the submarines, officials said, even though the boats are largely outdated and technically obsolescent versions produced in the 1960s for the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, by swamping the South’s maritime defences, the North’s submarines may be able to land infiltration parties on the coast to carry out attacks behind the front line. Alternatively, they may target warships of the South Korean or US navies.

Earlier this year, North Korea released images purportedly showing a ballistic missile being fired from a submerged submarine. Although the images were dismissed at the time as being computer enhanced, there have been concerns that the North’s navy is attempting to fit at least one of its submarines with a missile.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

It has been common knowledge that NK subs have moved to the border line with SK during the current negotiations. It is just posturing.

 

[moral_victory]

Alternatively, they may target warships of the South Korean or US navies.

Or they might not.

 

[Err.]

If they want all their subs to be dead a quick way to do it would be to start shooting at US or South Korean navies.

 

[TexMichFan]

The South Koreans alone may not be able to track them but the chances of us not having subs in the area is probably pretty slim and between the two we probably have a good idea where they are.

 

[eightno2002]

part of me just wants them to slip up so the international community can come to bear arms on them and end what we know as North Korea. The other part of me realizes that means a lot of death and destruction likely for the people of North Korea. It's just embarrassing that the rest of the world has to put up with such a tool.

 

[ANYCHawk]

part of me just wants them to slip up so the international community can come to bear arms on them and end what we know as North Korea. The other part of me realizes that means a lot of death and destruction likely for the people of North Korea. It's just embarrassing that the rest of the world has to put up with such a tool.

What there to destroy? some rice fields?

 

[KitingHigh]

Am I the only one surprised that they have 50 functioning subs?

 

[Err.]

part of me just wants them to slip up so the international community can come to bear arms on them and end what we know as North Korea. The other part of me realizes that means a lot of death and destruction likely for the people of North Korea. It's just embarrassing that the rest of the world has to put up with such a tool.

Unfortunately Seoul is close enough to the border that the North Koreans could do some damage before we put the smack down on them.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Unfortunately Seoul is close enough to the border that they North Koreans could do some damage before we put the smack down on them.

North Korea can barely hit the ocean when it tries. I think Seoul will be just fine.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

North Korea can barely hit the ocean when it tries. I think Seoul will be just fine.

Seoul is within the range of conventional artillery.

 

[linkshero]

 

[preshlock]

Am I the only one surprised that they have 50 functioning subs?

Most of them are probably still diesel powered. Really feel sorry for the common North Korean.

 

[Gimmered]

Am I the only one surprised that they have 50 functioning subs?

Or a handful of subs and some damn good tow rope.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Seoul is within the range of conventional artillery.

And...if you can't operate it properly it don't matter.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Anyone else think that maybe Kim Jong Fat demanded at party tray of sandwiches and his military leaders just got confused?

 

[KitingHigh]

Most of them are probably still diesel powered. Really feel sorry for the common North Korean.

Dunno. Russia introduced Nuclear subs in 58 and the article says NKs subs are from the 60s.

 

[moral_victory]

Am I the only one surprised that they have 50 functioning subs?

Somewhat off topic.

I remember a security briefing from my time over in the ROK. They mentioned how NK had a fleet of wooden low flying planes which were hard to pick up on radar. The fear was that one of these old planes would be able to sneak over and drop chems or bio. Kind of neat to see the upside of antiquities.

 

[aflachawk]

Am I the only one surprised that they have 50 functioning subs?

I am also

 

[preshlock]

Somewhat off topic.

I remember a security briefing from my time over in the ROK. They mentioned how NK had a fleet of wooden low flying planes which were hard to pick up on radar. The fear was that one of these old planes would be able to sneak over and drop chems or bio. Kind of neat to see the upside of antiquities.

Not surprised and have heard some good stories from friends who served along the DMZ. ROK >>> than the North Koreans.

 

[lucas80]

Meh. Flooding such a small area with 50 subs won't do much for North Korea. They could do a lot of damage in a limited roll, but, they are old, and can't actually sortie much because of a critical lack of parts and fuel. In a shooting war I don't think they'd be all that effective.