554 children under the age of 12 killed by gun violence

[lucas80]

That is just since Sandy Hook. I heard that a few minutes ago on MSNBC. Most commonly they were killed by handguns.
I wonder if any of the strongly pro life Republican candidates will talk about the importance of those children's lives tomorrow during the Republican debate?

 

[gonegolfing]

That is just since Sandy Hook. I heard that a few minutes ago on MSNBC. Most commonly they were killed by handguns.
I wonder if any of the strongly pro life Republican candidates will talk about the importance of those children's lives tomorrow during the Republican debate?

I hope so. We need more mentally ill patients in institutions and stronger laws to punish juveniles with any violent charges. Then gun deaths would go down dramatically.

 

[Jan Itor]

That is just since Sandy Hook. I heard that a few minutes ago on MSNBC. Most commonly they were killed by handguns.
I wonder if any of the strongly pro life Republican candidates will talk about the importance of those children's lives tomorrow during the Republican debate?

Maybe guns aren't the problem, maybe the people pulling the trigger are? How many of those kids killed, were killed in the inner cities buy blacks? Just asking......

And yes, I believe online, gun shows, and personal sales of guns should require background checks just like buying from a store.

 

[Nat Algren]

How many of these deaths are related to the War on Freedom, I mean War on Drugs, that was put in place by the Republicrats. Out of this insane policy by the do gooders, a police state, garrison state and surveillance state has erupted. SWAT raids are up exponentially.

A government that imposes its foreign policy into the affairs of every nation on earth by means of force does not have the moral authority to deny the natural right of self-defense.

 

[Noble Hawk]

That is just since Sandy Hook. I heard that a few minutes ago on MSNBC. Most commonly they were killed by handguns.
I wonder if any of the strongly pro life Republican candidates will talk about the importance of those children's lives tomorrow during the Republican debate?

Derp.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Another thread of anti-gun crazies taking advantage of dead kids to push their agenda. I thought Fred was the only person scummy enough too do this.

 

[Huey Grey]

We gotta reduce the number of guns. You can't have more guns than people and not expect problems.

 

[Jan Itor]

That is just since Sandy Hook. I heard that a few minutes ago on MSNBC. Most commonly they were killed by handguns.
I wonder if any of the strongly pro life Republican candidates will talk about the importance of those children's lives tomorrow during the Republican debate?

Will Black Lives Matter talk about them?

 

[Huey Grey]

Another thread of anti-gun crazies taking advantage of dead kids to push their agenda. I thought Fred was the only person scummy enough too do this.

The really scummy thing is to look at hundreds of dead kids killed by guns and still insist that guns are not part of the problem.

 

[Jan Itor]

We gotta reduce the number of guns. You can't have more guns than people and not expect problems.

So the same amount of guns as people? Will that work for you?

 

[Huey Grey]

So the same amount of guns as people? Will that work for you?

Hell, at this point, that would be an improvement.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

We gotta reduce the number of guns. You can't have more guns than people and not expect problems.

What does it matter if the person has one gun or two? They can still go kill people.

 

[Huey Grey]

What does it matter if the person has one gun or two? They can still go kill people.

You kind of proved your own point there. If everyone has a gun, it just makes it that much easier for them to go out and kill. And if someone doesn't have a gun, hundreds of millions of them just make it that much easier for them to obtain one.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

The really scummy thing is to look at hundreds of dead kids killed by guns and still insist that guns are not part of the problem.

People were murdering other people long before guns came along. Look at those guys in France. They used pipe bombs to kill people. The bottom line is that guns allow smaller people to defend themselves against bigger people. No longer is a weaker person at a disadvantage. Have you ever heard the quote, "God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal?"

 

[NoleSoup4U]

You kind of proved your own point there. If everyone has a gun, it just makes it that much easier for them to go out and kill. And if someone doesn't have a gun, hundreds of millions of them just make it that much easier for them to obtain one.

The people who want to kill are going to have guns, dude. I don't understand what you're trying to dig at here.

 

[Noble Hawk]

We gotta reduce the number of guns. You can't have more guns than people and not expect problems.

Derp.

 

[Nat Algren]

The really scummy thing is to look at hundreds of dead kids killed by guns and still insist that guns are not part of the problem.

You can't look at things through the same perverted prism. People fornicate every day. Yet, should someone desire to pay a ho for it, they get locked up. A black market arises to meet the demand. Protection services are needed. Government says you can't gamble even though they run lotteries, a black market arises. Gang violence is then prevalent when all that is needed is freedom. The Feds could put the Mafia out of business tomorrow.

 

[Jan Itor]

The really scummy thing is to look at hundreds of dead kids killed by guns and still insist that guns are not part of the problem.

I'll ask you what I asked earlier. How many of those kids were killed in the inner cities by black on black violence? Should we get rid of blacks?

 

[NoleSoup4U]

You can't look at things through the same perverted prism. People fornicate every day. Yet, should someone desire to pay a ho for it, they get locked up. A black market arises to meet the demand. Protection services are needed. Government says you can't gamble even though they run lotteries, a black market arises. Gang violence is then prevalent when all that is needed is freedom. The Feds could put the Mafia out of business tomorrow.

It's crazy that people don't understand that the main reason for the Mafia was to act like the government in absence of the government.

 

[swagsurfer02]

We gotta reduce the number of guns. You can't have more guns than people and not expect problems.

You know, there are TONS of people who own multiple firearms and never pull the trigger (let alone actually shoot anyone). Maybe you should look at WHO is actually committing these acts of violence.

Very "progressive" of you to paint gun owners with a broad brush.

 

[Jan Itor]

Derp.

Do you know why the NRA and GOP wouldn't be okay with background checks on guns sold at gun shows, online, or from private owners?

 

[Huey Grey]

The people who want to kill are going to have guns, dude. I don't understand what you're trying to dig at here.

More guns makes it easier for more criminals to get their hands on them. This isn't rocket science. It's basic supply and demand. If we reduce the number of guns, the price for the remaining ones will increase, even for criminals obtaining them on the black market, and many of these killers will be priced out of the market. Whereas, with your plan, we increase the number of guns, drive down the price, and make it cheaper for criminals to obtain them, which will allow criminals to not just buy more guns, but also allow those few really poor ones to get them too.

So my question is why you want more criminals to get more guns?

 

[Huey Grey]

You know, there are TONS of people who own multiple firearms and never pull the trigger (let alone actually shoot anyone). Maybe you should look at WHO is actually committing these acts of violence.

Very "progressive" of you to paint gun owners with a broad brush.

Even these people are part of the problem. Some 300-400 thousand guns are stolen annually. Their influx of guns just fattens up the market and makes guns, overall, easier to come by.

 

[Noble Hawk]

Do you know why the NRA and GOP wouldn't be okay with background checks on guns sold at gun shows, online, or from private owners?

No. Any other questions?

 

[NoleSoup4U]

More guns makes it easier for more criminals to get their hands on them. This isn't rocket science. It's basic supply and demand. If we reduce the number of guns, the price for the remaining ones will increase, even for criminals obtaining them on the black market, and many of these killers will be priced out of the market. Whereas, with your plan, we increase the number of guns, drive down the price, and make it cheaper for criminals to obtain them, which will allow criminals to not just buy more guns, but also allow those few really poor ones to get them too.

So my question is why you want more criminals to get more guns?

You realize that this goes both ways, right? The harder you make guns available, the harder it is for law abiding people to defend themselves. You also realize that criminals don't always legally buy their guns either, right? You realize that they can steal them, or be given them. You can also buy "dirty" guns pretty cheap, all you have to do is look up your local drug dealer.

Why do you want to give the criminal a leg up on the common man?

 

[Jan Itor]

No. Any other questions?

Derp, and now this. Maybe you should pick up a dictionary and learn some more words.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Even these people are part of the problem. Some 300-400 thousand guns are stolen annually. Their influx of guns just fattens up the market and makes guns, overall, easier to come by.

Hmm, so it's people stealing guns then? Like criminal activity..... which leads to the majority of these deaths. Sounds like you don't have a gun problem, you have a people problem.

 

[Nat Algren]

It's crazy that people don't understand that the main reason for the Mafia was to act like the government in absence of the government.

I read Lucky Luciano's auto-bio when 30 years ago. That's about right.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Hmm, so it's people stealing guns then? Like criminal activity..... which leads to the majority of these deaths. Sounds like you don't have a gun problem, you have a people problem.

Huey thinks that your local drug dealer walks into the sporting goods store to buy their guns.

 

[Huey Grey]

You can't look at things through the same perverted prism. People fornicate every day. Yet, should someone desire to pay a ho for it, they get locked up. A black market arises to meet the demand. Protection services are needed. Government says you can't gamble even though they run lotteries, a black market arises. Gang violence is then prevalent when all that is needed is freedom. The Feds could put the Mafia out of business tomorrow.

Unlike drugs, guns can't be grown or made by ordinary people to meet demand. They have to be manufactured through precision techniques which requires a minimal amount of expertise and infrastructure that forces the suppliers from ordinary people to experts. If you reduce the supply of these manufacturers, black markets will indeed crop up, but now guns will have to be smuggled in, or existing ones will skyrocket in value. Either way, their costs will increase and many criminals will be priced out of the market. Reduce the supply enough, and most criminals will be priced out of the market. And the few remaining rich criminals who still can afford black market guns can be fought by the police instead of ordinary Joes.

 

[Jan Itor]

Huey thinks that your local drug dealer walks into the sporting goods store to buy their guns.

He may buy them at a gun show, online, or from a private owner.

 

[Jan Itor]

Unlike drugs, guns can't be grown or made by ordinary people to meet demand. They have to be manufactured through precision techniques which requires a minimal amount of expertise and infrastructure that forces the suppliers from ordinary people to experts. If you reduce the supply of these manufacturers, black markets will indeed crop up, but now guns will have to be smuggled in, or existing ones will skyrocket in value. Either way, their costs will increase and many criminals will be priced out of the market. Reduce the supply enough, and most criminals will be priced out of the market. And the few remaining rich criminals who still can afford black market guns can be fought by the police instead of ordinary Joes.

Why, because criminals don't have as much money as the ordinary citizen? Who gets priced out.

 

[Nat Algren]

Even these people are part of the problem. Some 300-400 thousand guns are stolen annually. Their influx of guns just fattens up the market and makes guns, overall, easier to come by.

Isn't defending oneself a natural right? Our species doesn't get 9 lives. How should a woman defend herself from a 6'4", 220 lb rapist? Don't tell me call the cops. They arrive AFTER the crime has been committed.

 

[Jan Itor]

Unlike drugs, guns can't be grown or made by ordinary people to meet demand. They have to be manufactured through precision techniques which requires a minimal amount of expertise and infrastructure that forces the suppliers from ordinary people to experts. If you reduce the supply of these manufacturers, black markets will indeed crop up, but now guns will have to be smuggled in, or existing ones will skyrocket in value. Either way, their costs will increase and many criminals will be priced out of the market. Reduce the supply enough, and most criminals will be priced out of the market. And the few remaining rich criminals who still can afford black market guns can be fought by the police instead of ordinary Joes.

So I assume you also believe existing guns will need to be collected from the owners? Because your scenario paints a picture of a small amount of guns present. Small enough that the police can handle it instead of the rest of us needing protection.

If you don't collect them, how does the number of guns (owned by criminals) decrease to your euphoric day dream?

 

[Huey Grey]

Huey thinks that your local drug dealer walks into the sporting goods store to buy their guns.

See my above post, jackass.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

He may buy them at a gun show, online, or from a private owner.

My money is on private owner. That's how all the convicted felons I know bought theirs.

 

[Jan Itor]

My money is on private owner. That's how all the convicted felons I know bought theirs.

How many do you know?

 

[NoleSoup4U]

See my above post, jackass.

I already responded to that same post, Sizzlechest.

Edit: Not that exact post, but one of your posts before, where you basically said the same thing.

 

[Jan Itor]

See my above post, jackass.

Your post above is filled with lollipops and unicorns.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

How many do you know?

Not that many actually. A few.

Edit: They weren't in for anything really crazy. I don't know any murderers or such. I am acquaintances with some people who might be into something a little harder, but I wouldn't come close to calling them friends.

 

[Noble Hawk]

Derp, and now this. Maybe you should pick up a dictionary and learn some more words.

Given the content of the thread, answers that don't require a lot of thought seemed appropriate.