6 seed!
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Nah, they'll give it to the sleezbag Gard
Iowa lost way more. Hopefully media will take that into consideration.
Eh, let Gard have it. Iowa is playing as well as anyone in the country right and is still flying under the radar. Iowa does better when disrespected or ignored.
I don't think it will go to anyone but Gard but we certainly lost a ton more than them.
Plus, he lets Davidson play so that's a negative.
Plus, he lets Davidson play so that's a negative.
6 seed will depend on what happens with other teams. Iowa would probably have to beat the Illini or make some noise in the BTT to get to a 6 seed. That is not out of the question with how this team is playing.
As others have said. Gard will probably get Coach of Year. Team went 10-10 last year. They won all the close games this year and will win the conference.
Fran "deserves" it every bit as much as Gard, and if I were a voter--despite Gard's misconduct and, especially, despite him putting up with if not encouraging the dirtiest player in the BIG--I'd split my vote between the two. That, to me, would be fair, although the more I think about Gard, I might be more inclined to vote for Fran and vote Gard second. Anyway, regardless of awards, Fran's done a helluva job. There's no way around that fact.
Lunardi already has us a 6 seed FWIW. I think the seeding ceiling is a little higher than that if they stay hot through the BTT.
Men's Bracketology: Beware the nonconference strength of schedule factor
BYU is currently the last team in, but history tells us the selection committee doesn't look too kindly upon a nonconference SOS ranking like that of the Cougars.
www.espn.com
Agreed I don't think a 5 seed is out of the question at all. Hell they could win the Big Ten Tourney and possibly get a 4 seed...GO HAWKS!Lunardi already has us a 6 seed FWIW. I think the seeding ceiling is a little higher than that if they stay hot through the BTT.
Men's Bracketology: Beware the nonconference strength of schedule factor
BYU is currently the last team in, but history tells us the selection committee doesn't look too kindly upon a nonconference SOS ranking like that of the Cougars.www.espn.com
I think so, too. Never know what the selection committee is thinking, though. I've seen some wacky seeds get handed out to conference tournament winners.
That said, I would not be heartbroken at all about a 6 seed. Being on that side of the bracket away from the 1 seed isn't such a bad thing. Though a 4/5 seed gets us a bit more manageable 2nd round game.
First thing's first - at minimum 2 more games to play! I want to stay out of that 7 or lower range.
I think Iowa is a solid #6 seed right now. The Michigan win was HUGE; Iowa now has won 8 of 9, 2 QUAD 1 road wins in the past 2 weeks, and the bad performances that have been dragging down their resume are getting farther and farther in the rear view mirror.
I think they'd have to lose their next 2 to drop any.
I think getting to the B1G semis would get them up to a #5 and winning it up to a #4, depending on who they beat along the way.
So great to finally have this team playing its best ball when it counts. I sure hope they can keep it up another 2-4 weeks.
I think they'd have to lose their next 2 to drop any.
I think getting to the B1G semis would get them up to a #5 and winning it up to a #4, depending on who they beat along the way.
So great to finally have this team playing its best ball when it counts. I sure hope they can keep it up another 2-4 weeks.
In terms of probability of being able to finally make the Sweet 16, I don't think there's much difference between a 6 seed and a 4/5 seed. In fact, I would rather be a 6 seed than a 4/5 in Gonzaga's bracket. If you look at Kenpom, there's a bigger difference (slightly) in efficiency between #1 Gonzaga and #2 Baylor than there is between #2 Baylor and #14 Iowa. Basically, all the other games involving 1-6/7 seeds largely come down to matchup issues and who is hitting shots that day. It's more likely than not that at least one of the #1 seeds will be knocked out the first weekend.
Don't they decide seeing before the BIG tournament ends? Unless we win it all I don't think the tournament holds much weight in seeding. I could be wrong, but I think beating Illinois will help us much more than winning our first game in the BTT. Winning it all would have to help with seeding right?
Agreed, we're in a good position to move up with a strong finish. In the Bracket Project's Matrix we are currently the best #7 seed, with LSU and Ohio State in the #6 seed grouping, Hawk's are definitely within striking distance.Lunardi already has us a 6 seed FWIW. I think the seeding ceiling is a little higher than that if they stay hot through the BTT.
Men's Bracketology: Beware the nonconference strength of schedule factor
BYU is currently the last team in, but history tells us the selection committee doesn't look too kindly upon a nonconference SOS ranking like that of the Cougars.www.espn.com
So let's say for the sake of argument that Iowa stays on a tear and wins out culminating with the BTT Championship. Let's also say that this tear lands them in the top 10 of Kenpom and the Net (they are 14 right now) and top 20 in the polls. I know recency bias is supposed to be a thing of the past but how does the committee NOT put the B1G Champion that's won 9 in a row and 12 of 13 on the 4 line at a minimum as one of the top 16 seeds? If they get to the championship but don't win how are they not a 5? I can't see the committee leaving Iowa at a 6 seed forcing a 3 seed to face the Hawks in the second round.
You bring up a good point about finishing top 10 on Kenpom. Someone would have to do the pre tourney research but other than mid majors I can’t imagine a team in the top 10 pre tourney being lower than a 5 seed.
Iowa is an unusual case this year with the lack of Q1 wins but I’m guessing, if things go well, there will be 2-3 more opportunities at Q1 wins.
You're right in that they can't really shuffle the entire field based on games played on Sunday. But it could be a situation where, say Iowa plays Illinois in the BTT Finals, with the winner getting the #4 and the loser the #5; or if Iowa plays Purdue in the BTT Finals, Iowa winning could take the #4 from Illinois, who gets knocked down to #5 after just losing to that same Purdue team. Bottom line is that a team's performance in the BTT could have seeding implications, although there would be a finite way of moving teams around on those last 2 days.
I think if Illinois is playing in the BTT final, they’ve locked up a 3 and have an outside shot at a 2… They were a 3-seed in the official mock bracket, and they’ve gone 2-1 in Quad 1 games since then. If Iowa makes it that far, they’re probably on the 5/4 line, closer to 4.
I think this might be a little overly simplistic. The B1G isn't the only conference supplying teams to the field and it's not like the committee necessarily sees the 2 final participants as being interchangeable. If a team is on the cusp of a higher or lower seed a win or a loss could drop them or raise them a spot impacting a team outside the conference just as easily as the team they just beat or lost to. You're not shuffling the entire field to do that. You're still only affecting 2 teams.
Part of it depends on how other teams fare as well. For example Alabama is still slotted as a 5 seed by Joe Lunardi despite a crapton of losses (yeah they have some really good wins but have some baffling losses lately - they most likely will have 13 by selection Sunday and may not even have 20 wins). They probably should be a 7 or 8 seed - or worse - based on recent performance, but the wins against the Zags and Baylor still matter.
At this point all that you can do is play the games in front of you. Iowa is playing like a 3/4 seed but a “meh” January and lack of splashy non-conference wins are going to hold them back a bit. Getting a 4 seed in the NCAA as opposed to a 5 would be huge as that would mean preferential geographical treatment in the opening two rounds. The difference between playing a 4 seed and a 3 seed is fairly negligible, especially if Iowa gets a 5 or 6 seed (assuming they make it to the round of 32). It’s the 1 and 2 seeds that stand out - thankfully, a 6 seed or better means avoiding the top two seeds until at least the Sweet 16, if they aren’t already knocked out by then.
If Iowa is going to make a deep run, they are probably going to want to avoid being in the same bracket as Gonzaga. They’re a machine and even though the Hawks are firing on all cylinders, it’s still going to require a monumental to advance. Of course teams like Duke, Kansas, Auburn and Baylor are going to be extremely difficult but I think those teams are also more likely to suffer early round exits. Gonzaga just doesn’t lose early, they’re going to prance their way to the Elite 8.
