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A GOP proposal targeting ‘negative’ U.S. history is cause for renewed alarm

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By Greg Sargent
Columnist
Today at 10:46 a.m. EST


In recent weeks, it has become inescapably obvious: The mania for muzzling how teachers address race and other topics is only accelerating.
We’re seeing dozens of GOP proposals to bar whole concepts from classrooms outright. The Republican governor of Virginia has debuted a mechanism for parents to rat out teachers. Bills threatening punishment of them are proliferating. Book-banning efforts are outpacing anything in recent memory.
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Amid this onslaught, a proposed bill now advancing in the New Hampshire legislature deserves renewed scrutiny. It would ban the advocacy of any “doctrine” or “theory” promoting a “negative” account of U.S. history, including the notion that the United States was “founded on racism.”

Additionally, the bill describes itself as designed to ensure teachers’ “loyalty,” while prohibiting advocacy of “subversive doctrines.”






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This proposal is drawing heightened attention from teachers and their representatives. With the push for constraints on teachers intensifying, they worry that if it succeeds, it could become a model in other states.
“It’s the next step in their campaign to whitewash our history by rewriting it,” Megan Tuttle, the president of the New Hampshire chapter of the National Education Association, told me in a statement.
If this passes, it will “stifle real discussion" in classrooms, Tuttle said, adding: “Then it’s only a matter of time before similar legislation has the same impact on classrooms around the country.”


This proposal opens a window on much of what’s wrong with the current wave of censoring panic. Many new proposals and laws are sloppily drafted, vaguely defining entire concepts off limits, such as “anti-American ideologies” or anything that deviates from undefined conceptions of the nation’s “authentic founding.”






The vagueness of such prohibitions seems like a feature, not a bug. Taken alongside these proposals’ new punishments for teachers, they seem designed to make teachers feel perpetually at risk of running afoul of the law in ways they cannot anticipate.
This seems to go beyond the exercise of traditional state government authority to shape curriculums. Instead, it treats teachers as subversive elements to be rooted out at the slightest deviation from orthodoxy.

The New Hampshire bill offers a template for advancing this project. By explicitly stating its goal of prohibiting “advocacy of subversive doctrines” and ensuring teacher “loyalty,” it treats as its very premise the idea that a subversive element lurking within must be purged.
“I have not seen any other bill like this one,” Jeffrey Sachs, a political scientist who documents these proposals, told me. While old laws still on the books in some states require teacher loyalty oaths, Sachs said, this bill’s “loyalty” language is unique.


The bill does declare that teachers must not advocate doctrines or theories promoting a negative account of the U.S. founding or its history without “worldwide context.” It also outlaws advocacy for doctrines such as socialism or Marxism.

That creates the impression that the bill would limit only express efforts to indoctrinate children, without limiting the teaching of hard historical truths. In fact, that’s the defense offered by the bill’s chief sponsor.
But the problem lies — again — in its vague language. Take the teaching of certain abolitionist or civil rights tracts. Some writings from abolitionists suggested slavery and white supremacy were irredeemably baked into the Constitution or dramatically minimized the historical importance of the founding.
Others, such as those of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., described Whites as the “oppressor” and arguably treated the question of whether the the United States will ever achieve its founding promise as an open and unresolved one.







What if a teacher teaches such tracts and expresses approval of them in some form? Could a teacher ask if the abolitionist critique was prescient, or whether the civil rights movement’s understanding that we’d fallen woefully short of our founding promise as of the mid-20th century was an accurate one?
Would that count as “advocacy” for a prohibited “theory” of the U.S. founding and history?
“A teacher could not lend credence to King’s description of the United States or the White Americans of his period without immediately placing American white supremacy within a worldwide context of racism more broadly,” Sachs told me.
Or could a teacher say anything positive about any writing that asks whether we’ve achieved our founding promise as of today? “If I were a teacher in New Hampshire, I would avoid any kind of negative account or representation of the United States and its founding,” Sachs continued.



It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that chilling the range of expression is a big driving motive here. As Sachs notes, some of these proposals explicitly command teachers to convey a “positive” understanding of U.S. history, which might have that effect.
In an important essay, political theorist Laura K. Field documents that proponents of such laws often cherry-pick from such historical writings to whitewash away how radical their critique of the U.S. founding and history truly were.
As Field explains, there is a “long lineage” throughout U.S. history of such radical criticism. At their various historical moments, these writings emphasized “how inequalities and injustice persist” rather than the “progress that has been made,” and didn’t refrain from highlighting the “moral failings” driving our “long-enduring gap between American ideals and practices.”
Don’t we want students to learn why great figures throughout our history thought to lodge such criticisms? Why, exactly, should this be treated as too much for students to bear?

 
We’re very close to a time period where things like Japanese internment camps, slavery will never be taught in red states.

The only thing teachers will be able to teach about is how star spangled awesome we are. It’s scary
We are about to the point where history teachers are forced to explain that Southern states had no choice but to attempt to break free from Northern oppression, and the Union Army committed genocide against the brave patriots of the South.
 
We are about to the point where history teachers are forced to explain that Southern states had no choice but to attempt to break free from Northern oppression, and the Union Army committed genocide against the brave patriots of the South.
And the science of people born in the wrong bodies. Soon, kids won't even know Joan of Arc was trans.
 
I like it.

The Europeans were invited to come to the established homeland of the indigenous peoples.

They accepted, and also agreed to provide transportation for free African people who asked for a ride, in exchange for voluntary labor.

Once they arrived, everyone worked together peacefully for the combined good of all.

The only bad guys were the buffalo, who were trying to ruin the harmony and balance of the land and all its people - old and new. They were dealt with appropriately.
 
I like it.

The Europeans were invited to come to the established homeland of the indigenous peoples.

They accepted, and also agreed to provide transportation for free African people who asked for a ride, in exchange for voluntary labor.

Once they arrived, everyone worked together peacefully for the combined good of all.

The only bad guys were the buffalo, who were trying to ruin the harmony and balance of the land and all its people - old and new. They were dealt with appropriately.
Nah. Europeans kicked their asses. Get over it
 
You people are so full of shit

The problem is many have decided their entire focus on the negative aspects of our history. There is a balance that is needed and simply banging the america is evil drum is ****ing stupid.
I agree, but there are proposals out there that would specifically prohibit a balanced discussion, and penalize teachers that try and teach multiple sides of complicated issues.

I think whitewashing American history is also stupid. The whole point of history is so we can celebrate the good stuff, and also to point out the bad stuff so hopefully we do better going forward. No one is a good guy or a bad guy because of things that happened 100s of years ago - none of us did any of that. They're only bad if they try to ignore it or refuse to admit that history occurred.
 
We are about to the point where history teachers are forced to explain that Southern states had no choice but to attempt to break free from Northern oppression, and the Union Army committed genocide against the brave patriots of the South.
And that they were the true victors and the Confederacy should therefore be reinstated as the rightful government of the entire United States.
 
We’re very close to a time period where things like Japanese internment camps, slavery will never be taught in red states.

The only thing teachers will be able to teach about is how star spangled awesome we are. It’s scary

Teachers will be limited to simply playing the Lego Movie: America, F*#& YEAH!!!! on repeat loop for the entire semster...
 
We’re very close to a time period where things like Japanese internment camps, slavery will never be taught in red states.

The only thing teachers will be able to teach about is how star spangled awesome we are. It’s scary
I tell everyone I know how the Democrats and FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps a decision upheld by all the FDR SC appointees...

America abolished slavery a mere 87 years after it's founding thanks to Republican president Abe Lincoln and the deaths of 360,000 white Americans...

Historical facts...
 
By Greg Sargent
Columnist
Today at 10:46 a.m. EST


In recent weeks, it has become inescapably obvious: The mania for muzzling how teachers address race and other topics is only accelerating.
We’re seeing dozens of GOP proposals to bar whole concepts from classrooms outright. The Republican governor of Virginia has debuted a mechanism for parents to rat out teachers. Bills threatening punishment of them are proliferating. Book-banning efforts are outpacing anything in recent memory.
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Amid this onslaught, a proposed bill now advancing in the New Hampshire legislature deserves renewed scrutiny. It would ban the advocacy of any “doctrine” or “theory” promoting a “negative” account of U.S. history, including the notion that the United States was “founded on racism.”

Additionally, the bill describes itself as designed to ensure teachers’ “loyalty,” while prohibiting advocacy of “subversive doctrines.”






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This proposal is drawing heightened attention from teachers and their representatives. With the push for constraints on teachers intensifying, they worry that if it succeeds, it could become a model in other states.
“It’s the next step in their campaign to whitewash our history by rewriting it,” Megan Tuttle, the president of the New Hampshire chapter of the National Education Association, told me in a statement.
If this passes, it will “stifle real discussion" in classrooms, Tuttle said, adding: “Then it’s only a matter of time before similar legislation has the same impact on classrooms around the country.”


This proposal opens a window on much of what’s wrong with the current wave of censoring panic. Many new proposals and laws are sloppily drafted, vaguely defining entire concepts off limits, such as “anti-American ideologies” or anything that deviates from undefined conceptions of the nation’s “authentic founding.”






The vagueness of such prohibitions seems like a feature, not a bug. Taken alongside these proposals’ new punishments for teachers, they seem designed to make teachers feel perpetually at risk of running afoul of the law in ways they cannot anticipate.
This seems to go beyond the exercise of traditional state government authority to shape curriculums. Instead, it treats teachers as subversive elements to be rooted out at the slightest deviation from orthodoxy.

The New Hampshire bill offers a template for advancing this project. By explicitly stating its goal of prohibiting “advocacy of subversive doctrines” and ensuring teacher “loyalty,” it treats as its very premise the idea that a subversive element lurking within must be purged.
“I have not seen any other bill like this one,” Jeffrey Sachs, a political scientist who documents these proposals, told me. While old laws still on the books in some states require teacher loyalty oaths, Sachs said, this bill’s “loyalty” language is unique.


The bill does declare that teachers must not advocate doctrines or theories promoting a negative account of the U.S. founding or its history without “worldwide context.” It also outlaws advocacy for doctrines such as socialism or Marxism.

That creates the impression that the bill would limit only express efforts to indoctrinate children, without limiting the teaching of hard historical truths. In fact, that’s the defense offered by the bill’s chief sponsor.
But the problem lies — again — in its vague language. Take the teaching of certain abolitionist or civil rights tracts. Some writings from abolitionists suggested slavery and white supremacy were irredeemably baked into the Constitution or dramatically minimized the historical importance of the founding.
Others, such as those of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., described Whites as the “oppressor” and arguably treated the question of whether the the United States will ever achieve its founding promise as an open and unresolved one.







What if a teacher teaches such tracts and expresses approval of them in some form? Could a teacher ask if the abolitionist critique was prescient, or whether the civil rights movement’s understanding that we’d fallen woefully short of our founding promise as of the mid-20th century was an accurate one?
Would that count as “advocacy” for a prohibited “theory” of the U.S. founding and history?
“A teacher could not lend credence to King’s description of the United States or the White Americans of his period without immediately placing American white supremacy within a worldwide context of racism more broadly,” Sachs told me.
Or could a teacher say anything positive about any writing that asks whether we’ve achieved our founding promise as of today? “If I were a teacher in New Hampshire, I would avoid any kind of negative account or representation of the United States and its founding,” Sachs continued.



It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that chilling the range of expression is a big driving motive here. As Sachs notes, some of these proposals explicitly command teachers to convey a “positive” understanding of U.S. history, which might have that effect.
In an important essay, political theorist Laura K. Field documents that proponents of such laws often cherry-pick from such historical writings to whitewash away how radical their critique of the U.S. founding and history truly were.
As Field explains, there is a “long lineage” throughout U.S. history of such radical criticism. At their various historical moments, these writings emphasized “how inequalities and injustice persist” rather than the “progress that has been made,” and didn’t refrain from highlighting the “moral failings” driving our “long-enduring gap between American ideals and practices.”
Don’t we want students to learn why great figures throughout our history thought to lodge such criticisms? Why, exactly, should this be treated as too much for students to bear?

I'm sorry, was there supposed to be something negative in this article?
 
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I like it.

The Europeans were invited to come to the established homeland of the indigenous peoples.

They accepted, and also agreed to provide transportation for free African people who asked for a ride, in exchange for voluntary labor.

Once they arrived, everyone worked together peacefully for the combined good of all.

The only bad guys were the buffalo, who were trying to ruin the harmony and balance of the land and all its people - old and new. They were dealt with appropriately.
That’s not too far off what we were taught about the Pilgrims
 
I tell everyone I know how the Democrats and FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps a decision upheld by all the FDR SC appointees...

America abolished slavery a mere 87 years after it's founding thanks to Republican president Abe Lincoln and the deaths of 360,000 white Americans...

Historical facts...
And? Do you see Dems falling all over themselves to celebrate their "culture", over internment camps? Do we wander around with flags flying off of our pick up trucks to celebrate internment? And, Lincoln would be run out of today's GOP just like Kinzinger and Cheney.
 
Do you believe this source is incapable of providing factual information?


Do you think the nature of the claim should at minimum make us want to know more about the subject matter?
I believe all information should be read and put against other sources of information as I have said multiple times.

Greg likely has the ability to provide truthful information.

See above.



That does not dispute that this is
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.


There are some propaganda materials that are in fact factual to take it to the next level. Ciggy loves his propaganda.
 
I tell everyone I know how the Democrats and FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps a decision upheld by all the FDR SC appointees...

America abolished slavery a mere 87 years after it's founding thanks to Republican president Abe Lincoln and the deaths of 360,000 white Americans...

Historical facts...

Really tells the tale of how far the Republican party has fallen from progressive Lincoln. Now they go crazy about Confederate monuments.

See a lot of Hillsbillies flying the stars and bars?
 
You are conflating separate pushes. There's a push to band advocacy of socialism or Marxism and there's a push to ban how to teach about race.

Hopefully that doesn't ruin your love.
How is it being proposed to teach about race? What is being proposed to be banned?
 
How is it being proposed to teach about race? What is being proposed to be banned?

If you are actually interested, I'd recommend starting with the OP, there's over a dozen embedded links. If you're not really interested - like to the point of not bothering to read the OP - it seems to be a coupe of approaches:

Ban specific material
Ban certain concepts

It's happening all across the country at different levels, state/local, so there are different approaches and methodologies.

It's also not only Republicans, some Democrats/left have banned what is considered one of our country's best books in To Kill a Mockingbird because of the race component which they think marginalizes black people and celebrates "white saviorhood".
 
I tell everyone I know how the Democrats and FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps a decision upheld by all the FDR SC appointees...

America abolished slavery a mere 87 years after it's founding thanks to Republican president Abe Lincoln and the deaths of 360,000 white Americans...

Historical facts...
Lol that you think todays GOP would be the party of Lincoln…
 
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If you are actually interested, I'd recommend starting with the OP, there's over a dozen embedded links. If you're not really interested - like to the point of not bothering to read the OP - it seems to be a coupe of approaches:

Ban specific material
Ban certain concepts

It's happening all across the country at different levels, state/local, so there are different approaches and methodologies.

It's also not only Republicans, some Democrats/left have banned what is considered one of our country's best books in To Kill a Mockingbird because of the race component which they think marginalizes black people and celebrates "white saviorhood".
The OP was a little redundant and assuming. CRT definitely is the buzz abbreviation nowadays. The question I have is why do some believe they need to ban certain things? And overall is banning stuff from certain arenas really that big of deal?

Am I more racist because I read To Kill... and are my kids less racist because they haven't? Is Maus not collecting dust on a random school library shelf going to stop the next Hitler?

I'm not advocating for banning anything. I'm also not advocating we should never ban something.
 
The OP was a little redundant and assuming. CRT definitely is the buzz abbreviation nowadays. The question I have is why do some believe they need to ban certain things? And overall is banning stuff from certain arenas really that big of deal?

Am I more racist because I read To Kill... and are my kids less racist because they haven't? Is Maus not collecting dust on a random school library shelf going to stop the next Hitler?

I'm not advocating for banning anything. I'm also not advocating we should never ban something.

Those seem like reasonable questions to me. Except the one about if you're more racist because you read a book and if you're kids are less because they haven't. That's silly.

Unfortunately, reasonable questions and answers get minimized when the overarching issue ends up being a deliberate political wedge.

Just the way things are these days.
 
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