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A Sunday morning thread...............
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Joe is right, of course. Sure, it's funny to watch some girls fall down trying to fire a shotgun for the first time in their lives. But that doesn't change the fact that a shotgun is a far superior choice for defending yourself against a home intruder. It's easier to aim and you don't have to worry that a missed shot will go through walls and potentially strike someone else.
Yeah, a 12 gauge kicks pretty hard and it can be a surprise the first time you fire one. But it doesn't take more than a few practice shots at your local target range to get used to it. And unless your home is attacked by an entire regiment of North Korean soldiers, Joe is right that you're better off with a double-barrel shotgun than with an AR-15 and a 30-round magazine.
Yeah, a 12 gauge kicks pretty hard and it can be a surprise the first time you fire one. But it doesn't take more than a few practice shots at your local target range to get used to it. And unless your home is attacked by an entire regiment of North Korean soldiers, Joe is right that you're better off with a double-barrel shotgun than with an AR-15 and a 30-round magazine.
The only thing I'd differ with you on, you must have some pretty thick walls. I'd suggest a nice twelve gauge pump. Twenty gauge for smaller women. Get them out and practice. And that sound? That'll scare most a$$holes away by itself.
I should probably clarify that with a shotgun it's less likely that someone in another room or even a neighbor's house would get hurt or killed by a missed shot. And I totally agree that the sound of a pump action will send most intruders out the door without even having to fire a shot.
If you want to take out a target from 100 yards away, get an AR-15. If you want to defend yourself in tight quarters in your own home - hallway, bedroom, etc - you're better off with a shotgun.
Tom Knapp is the man.
Was that punt gun 1ga?
I've heard about 1ga shot guns requiring two porters to carry on old safaris.
His advice on the double barrel is poor.
Get a pump or semi-auto. They aren't a heavy, don't kick as much and you're not empty after you shoot two off of your balcony. As he suggested.
You don't need a 12-gauge. For home defense a 20-gauge or even a .410 would be perfectly adequate. No need to aim much, and will stop the bad guy.
That was a two gage. I have heard of a one gauge as well but never seen one, unless......
Not the .410! You don't want to tickle the bastards! A .410 can barely knock down a pheasant! Squirrel gun...bah!
That and .410 shells are spendy.
I'm not going to send that kind of investment into an intruder.
For a serious question, what size shot would you use in a twelve gauge to protect your house?
That's cool, but that boat in the picture isn't a punt. A punt has a squared off how rather than a pointed one.That was a two gage. I have heard of a one gauge as well but never seen one, unless......
Die ducks! Die!
Creeping up on water fowl in a "punt" (where the gun got it's name) Notice the tiny paddles. In one shot, Captain Ahab here could take out up to fifty birds!
Punt gun boats were punts. I get what you are saying but while the gun got the name from the boat, the boat itself changed for it's use:
Interesting. I'm a bit curious as the thought behind that as the boat is definitely not a punt. A punt by definition is squared off in the how and stern and driven originally by pole. The term punt is actually derived from the method of propulsion, punting. Since the boat pictured doesn't resemble a actual punt in any way other than having a flat bottom and sometimes being used to hunt fowl they took quite a liberty in calling it a punt. Punts are still made and used today by the way. The boat didn't change. The fowl gunboat is something else. An evolutionary branch if you will, that has since gone pretty much extinct.Punt gun boats were punts. I get what you are saying but while the gun got the name from the boat, the boat itself changed for it's use:
Now we're getting there. Punt guns for hunting have been illegal for quite sometime. But if you look up the history of punt guns you will find they were named after the boat that carried them. If you search punt boats, you will find these pointy boats in images among them.
What I think we've got, is you are correct that today a punt boat has a certain definition, but during times when the gun became a tool for commercial bird hunters, the punt boat was indeed defined in a different way to include these pointy end punt boats.
We could both be right here. The only other way I can see a punt gun being named after a punt boat, and used on the pointy end boats which turned out not to be punt boats. Is if the people who named the gun in the first place named it after the wrong type boat.
Or, there is just as likely a chance that the gun was named in a country that insists on getting things wrong......like calling cookies biscuits!And if the cookies/biscuits thing ends up the answer, damn the British once again!!! They should learn English!
Yeah, I agree with the #4. Turkey loads unless they've come down are pretty expensive aren't they?
I borrowed this from Yahoo Answers:
I can tell you that one of the departments I worked for issued #4 Buckshot. I had cause to use it against a man one time. I arrived at a silent alarm at a pizza store. I took the rear of the building, my partner the front. A male with a handgun exited the back of the building and started moving across the parking lot away from me. I ordered him to stop, he walked to approx. 35 yards away from me, then turned and pointed a handgun at me. I fired one shotgun blast of #4 and he turned, jumped into a car and drove off. Later, we found that only one pellet had struck him. I am a big fan of #4 buck inside a house. so your dad is right there, but outside, or at any range over 25-35 yards? no, I'll take 00 buck or a slug.
If it helps, my personal pump shotgun that I use for home defense is loaded like this: empty chamber, safety off, trigger pulled..first round up #7 bird shot, next 2 up #4 buck, next 2 up oo buck, last 2 up are 1oz slugs. with combo I can address any situation.
good question, I'm giving you a star
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My problem would be my gun is not going to hold that many shells. I'd just go #4 the whole way.
