Actual government waste . . .

[torbee]

Gotta love the hypocrisy from the new administration. Trying to stoke outrage over paying to help sick, poor kids because they don't live here, but have zero issues wasting money to pretend they are extra "tough" on immigrants.

This reporting is from that well-known leftist manifesto The Wall Street Journal:

The Trump administration has been using military aircraft to carry out routine deportations from the border. It costs $28,500 an hour to fly a C-17, compared with $8,500 an hour for a standard Immigration and Customs Enforcement flight, according to government figures. This week’s flights from Texas to Guantanamo took roughly five hours.

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”

There have been about a dozen deportation flights to different countries so far, including one to India that took two days. The U.S. has spent more than $1 million on flight costs alone.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trumps-use-of-guantanamo-bay-signals-hard-line-against-migrants-32880dac?mod=djem10point

 

[SIXERS24]

Crazy the Billions spent by Biden getting them here and taking care of them.

 

[torbee]

Crazy the Billions spent by Biden getting them here and taking care of them.

Cat-like reflexes to change the subject, BAU when you're caught being a hypocrite. LOL. 😂

 

[hydro2.0]

What kind of plane did ICE utilize?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Apparently you miss the first go round of this.


Yes, it cost more to fly a military aircraft.

We are constantly flying aircraft for log hours and maintenance watch and will use this as the overlap.

 

[torbee]

What kind of plane did ICE utilize?

ICE Air Operations uses a variety of aircraft to accomplish its mission.

• For routine daily charter missions: B737 or MD80 series aircraft.
• For large special high-risk charter missions: ICE charters B737 to B777 series aircraft.
• For small special high-risk charter missions: ICE charters a small jet (i.e., Gulfstream IV or equivalent).

A daily scheduled charter flight average cost is $8,577 per flight hour. A special high-risk charter flight average cost is between $6,929 to $26,795 per flight hour, depending on aircraft requirements.

ICE Air Operations prioritizes safety and security for its passengers

www.ice.gov

 

[torbee]

So basically American taxpayers are shelling out $20,000 an hour per migrant flight to assuage Trump's ego.

 

[Moral]

I refueled a lot of C17 planes in my day and they hold over 25,000 gallons of fuel. I guess they can probably use those flights as sortie hours the pilots have to maintain. That's the only silverish lining I can find.

 

[Rifler]

So basically American taxpayers are shelling out $20,000 an hour per migrant flight to assuage Trump's ego.

No,.. This is actually being done in direct response to the stupid decisions made by the Biden administration when allowing each of these immigrants easy access to the interior of the country,.. Joe committed this money with every bad border choice they made,.. Direct your concerns to him.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

So basically American taxpayers are shelling out $20,000 an hour per migrant flight to assuage Trump's ego.

We already have the planes and the planes/pilots need hours, there will be no checks written.

 

[thewop]

Gotta love the hypocrisy from the new administration. Trying to stoke outrage over paying to help sick, poor kids because they don't live here, but have zero issues wasting money to pretend they are extra "tough" on immigrants.

This reporting is from that well-known leftist manifesto The Wall Street Journal:

The Trump administration has been using military aircraft to carry out routine deportations from the border. It costs $28,500 an hour to fly a C-17, compared with $8,500 an hour for a standard Immigration and Customs Enforcement flight, according to government figures. This week’s flights from Texas to Guantanamo took roughly five hours.

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”

There have been about a dozen deportation flights to different countries so far, including one to India that took two days. The U.S. has spent more than $1 million on flight costs alone.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trumps-use-of-guantanamo-bay-signals-hard-line-against-migrants-32880dac?mod=djem10point

Cheaper would be nice, but it's a one time expense that's cheaper than the recurring cost in dollars and lives of keeping them here. I'd heard last week they were doing this due to the need to expand capacity quickly.

I do appreciate liberals being conscious of cost now though. You're coming around to the common sense side OP! There's plenty of room on the common sense train for any classical liberal who sees the insanity the leftists have thrust upon the once great democratic party.

 

[billanole]

Do they get Amazon to deliver food and toilet paper to GitMo, or are there planes that need hours doing those daily tasks?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Do they get Amazon to deliver food and toilet paper to GitMo, or are there planes that need hours doing those daily tasks?

We have a lot of planes.

 

[billanole]

We have a lot of planes.

Cheap flights make happy peeps. Bring on the TP.

 

[RNHawk]

So basically American taxpayers are shelling out $20,000 an hour per migrant flight to assuage Trump's ego.

So let’s just say each flight is 5 hours long so roughly 100000 for the flight, let’s say each flight carries 200 passengers, studies have shown that each illegal immigrant costs the American taxpayer roughly 8000 a year so by my math each plane load is saving the American taxpayer 1.6 million dollars, minus 600000 for different hours different amount of passengers and to give some leeway on the costs, that’s still 1 million dollars saved. So why are you upset?

 

[billanole]

So let’s just say each flight is 5 hours long so roughly 100000 for the flight, let’s say each flight carries 200 passengers, studies have shown that each illegal immigrant costs the American taxpayer roughly 8000 a year so by my math each plane load is saving the American taxpayer 1.6 million dollars, minus 600000 for different hours different amount of passengers and to give some leeway on the costs, that’s still 1 million dollars saved. So why are you upset?

First report I read mentioned a few dozen passengers, but you keep up the math exercises.
BTW, somehow the plane comes home, so double your $100,000.

 

[RNHawk]

First report I read mentioned a few dozen passengers, but you keep up the math exercises.
BTW, somehow the plane comes home, so double your $100,000.

That’s why I gave you 600000 to play with

 

[torbee]

So let’s just say each flight is 5 hours long so roughly 100000 for the flight, let’s say each flight carries 200 passengers, studies have shown that each illegal immigrant costs the American taxpayer roughly 8000 a year so by my math each plane load is saving the American taxpayer 1.6 million dollars, minus 600000 for different hours different amount of passengers and to give some leeway on the costs, that’s still 1 million dollars saved. So why are you upset?

Because it's dumb and a waste of money.

Previously, these flights were done for around $8k an hour.

Now, it's $28K an hour for the sole reason that Trump wants it to look "tough."

 

[Sullivan]

Gotta love the hypocrisy from the new administration. Trying to stoke outrage over paying to help sick, poor kids because they don't live here, but have zero issues wasting money to pretend they are extra "tough" on immigrants.

This reporting is from that well-known leftist manifesto The Wall Street Journal:

The Trump administration has been using military aircraft to carry out routine deportations from the border. It costs $28,500 an hour to fly a C-17, compared with $8,500 an hour for a standard Immigration and Customs Enforcement flight, according to government figures. This week’s flights from Texas to Guantanamo took roughly five hours.

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”

There have been about a dozen deportation flights to different countries so far, including one to India that took two days. The U.S. has spent more than $1 million on flight costs alone.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trumps-use-of-guantanamo-bay-signals-hard-line-against-migrants-32880dac?mod=djem10point

You dumb focker. Do you believe the military planes sit idle when we aren't at war?

 

[RNHawk]

Because it's dumb and a waste of money.

Previously, these flights were done for around $8k an hour.

Now, it's $28K an hour for the sole reason that Trump wants it to look "tough."

Um we are saving money

 

[torbee]

Do they get Amazon to deliver food and toilet paper to GitMo, or are there planes that need hours doing those daily tasks?

Another great question. How much are we wasting on building onto Gitmo instead of doing these operations stateside?

 

[torbee]

Um we are saving money

"We are saving money by spending $20,000 more per hour than previously."

There is some sterling MAGA logic!

 

[billanole]

That’s why I gave you 600000 to play with

$600K here, $600K there… I don’t think you are serious about saving pesos.

 

[RNHawk]

"We are saving money by spending $20,000 more per hour than previously."

There is some sterling MAGA logic!

What part of my math is so hard for you

 

[HROT]

Another great question. How much are we wasting on building onto Gitmo instead of doing these operations stateside?

And how exactly are we gonna staff it?

 

[RNHawk]

$600K here, $600K there… I don’t think you are serious about saving pesos.

Ok you put in some reasonable numbers and show me what you come up with

 

[Rifler]

Another great question. How much are we wasting on building onto Gitmo instead of doing these operations stateside?

And how exactly are we gonna staff it?

Talk to Joe Biden.. as previously indicated, he made these commitments.

 

[torbee]

What part of my math is so hard for you

The part where you refust to acknowledge they are using military aircraft when they don't need to at a higher hourly rate.

 

[RNHawk]

The part where you refust to acknowledge they are using military aircraft when they don't need to at a higher hourly rate.

How long is it going to take to deport everyone using an 8000 dollar an hour plane. More importantly how important is it for you to want to keep the most dangerous illegals in our country?

 

[billanole]

That’s why I gave you 600000 to play with

You didn’t give me anything.

 

[Sullivan]

How long is it going to take to deport everyone using an 8000 dollar an hour plane. More importantly how important is it for you to want to keep the most dangerous illegals in our country?

Those military planes fly whether they are hauling illegals or not. The incremental cost of hauling illegals in military planes is $0.00.

 

[billanole]

How long is it going to take to deport everyone using an 8000 dollar an hour plane. More importantly how important is it for you to want to keep the most dangerous illegals in our country?

How many people are you talking?

 

[torbee]

How long is it going to take to deport everyone using an 8000 dollar an hour plane. More importantly how important is it for you to want to keep the most dangerous illegals in our country?

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Wow, turns out you get MORE people for CHEAPER in the civilian plane.

How bout them apples, @RNHawk?

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Boeing 777​

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Boeing_777

The Triple Seven can accommodate a ten–abreast seating layout and has a typical 3-class capacity of 301 to 368 passengers, with a range of 5,240 to 8,555 ...
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A C-17 Globemaster III aircraft can carry between 102 and 336 passengers, depending on how the plane is configured.

Passenger configurations

• 102 passengers: The typical passenger capacity, with centerline cargo seats
• 138 passengers: With seat pallets
• 336 passengers: In a humanitarian configuration, with passengers seated on the cargo floor with straps

 

[Sullivan]

Gotta love the hypocrisy from the new administration. Trying to stoke outrage over paying to help sick, poor kids because they don't live here, but have zero issues wasting money to pretend they are extra "tough" on immigrants.

This reporting is from that well-known leftist manifesto The Wall Street Journal:

The Trump administration has been using military aircraft to carry out routine deportations from the border. It costs $28,500 an hour to fly a C-17, compared with $8,500 an hour for a standard Immigration and Customs Enforcement flight, according to government figures. This week’s flights from Texas to Guantanamo took roughly five hours.

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”

There have been about a dozen deportation flights to different countries so far, including one to India that took two days. The U.S. has spent more than $1 million on flight costs alone.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trumps-use-of-guantanamo-bay-signals-hard-line-against-migrants-32880dac?mod=djem10point

If you want to help kids in other countries, you can personally send them a check. Or better yet, you can travel to their country and volunteer your time.

 

[HROT]

Talk to Joe Biden.. as previously indicated, he made these commitments.

It’s been two weeks. Haven’t had any press conferences with charts. The numbers must be really disappointing in the administration.

 

[RNHawk]

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Wow, turns out you get MORE people for CHEAPER in the civilian plane.

How bout them apples, @RNHawk?

​

​

Boeing 777​

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Boeing_777

The Triple Seven can accommodate a ten–abreast seating layout and has a typical 3-class capacity of 301 to 368 passengers, with a range of 5,240 to 8,555 ...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A C-17 Globemaster III aircraft can carry between 102 and 336 passengers, depending on how the plane is configured.

Passenger configurations

• 102 passengers: The typical passenger capacity, with centerline cargo seats
• 138 passengers: With seat pallets
• 336 passengers: In a humanitarian configuration, with passengers seated on the cargo floor with straps

This link states it costs 28500 per hour for the 777

Boeing 777-200 Charter - Rental Cost and Hourly Rate

The 777-200 first flew in 1994. It has a range of 5,240 nautical miles (9,700 km) with 301 pax in a 3-class configuration and 440 pax in an all-economy configuration.

www.paramountbusinessjets.com

 

[ICHerky]

Gotta love the hypocrisy from the new administration. Trying to stoke outrage over paying to help sick, poor kids because they don't live here, but have zero issues wasting money to pretend they are extra "tough" on immigrants.

This reporting is from that well-known leftist manifesto The Wall Street Journal:

The Trump administration has been using military aircraft to carry out routine deportations from the border. It costs $28,500 an hour to fly a C-17, compared with $8,500 an hour for a standard Immigration and Customs Enforcement flight, according to government figures. This week’s flights from Texas to Guantanamo took roughly five hours.

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”

There have been about a dozen deportation flights to different countries so far, including one to India that took two days. The U.S. has spent more than $1 million on flight costs alone.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trumps-use-of-guantanamo-bay-signals-hard-line-against-migrants-32880dac?mod=djem10point

I find it cute this is the issue you have a problem with. Not the millions and millions of people Biden let in illegally.

Didn’t think you could get any dumber. I will stop underestimating you.

 

[billanole]

I find it cute this is the issue you have a problem with. Not the millions and millions of people Biden let in illegally.

Didn’t think you could get any dumber. I will stop underestimating you.

I don’t believe your millions…. numbers, but am curious as to how many of those folks work for republicans.

 

[torbee]

This link states it costs 28500 per hour for the 777

Boeing 777-200 Charter - Rental Cost and Hourly Rate

The 777-200 first flew in 1994. It has a range of 5,240 nautical miles (9,700 km) with 301 pax in a 3-class configuration and 440 pax in an all-economy configuration.

www.paramountbusinessjets.com

I'm going by the WSJ numbers. If they are incorrect, that's on the reporter and editors.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

“We are just going right now,” said another Defense Department official. “We will sort out the funding later.”