Alabama . . .

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Did NOT win its division!

Did NOT win its conference!

Did NOT even play in its conference championship game...

Yet, based on the bull#### system in place, it DID win the so-called "National Championship." Ain't THAT cool?

If that's what ESECPN wants, great. But as for me, no thanks. I'll consider UCF, the only undefeated team in the nation, as the national champion until that title is actually decided on the field.

BTW: That's the genius of Nick Saban: Having a buddy like ESECPN and the "selection committee."

 

[H4wkfan4life]

You want to be the best, then at least play some of the best.

That doesn't start in december....that starts with their OOC.

But yeah, screw the bama hoodlums

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

.

That will NEVER happen.....

 

[SHAWKER]

You want to be the best, then at least play some of the best.

That doesn't start in december....that starts with their OOC.

But yeah, screw the bama hoodlums

Mercer says Hi

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

This good, only issue I see is a conference champ would need to play 16 games to win it all. College kids shouldn't be playing that many games in one season.

 

[mvhomerj]

Good to have another thread about this stuff.

 

[CMHawk0188]

You want to be the best, then at least play some of the best.

That doesn't start in december....that starts with their OOC.

But yeah, screw the bama hoodlums

Didnt they play Florida State game 1? Nobody saw FSU losing the QB and being a crappy team coming rest of season

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Didnt they play Florida State game 1? Nobody saw FSU losing the QB and being a crappy team coming rest of season

I was talking about ucf. If you are a non power 5 team and want in the cfp, you better have a serious ooc.
As for your point, it would have been quite interesting if they scheduled fsu, neb and baylor!

 

[Johnsoda123]

This good, only issue I see is a conference champ would need to play 16 games to win it all. College kids shouldn't be playing that many games in one season.

A local HSt team near me just finished the season 16-0.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I was talking about ucf. If you are a non power 5 team and want in the cfp, you better have a serious ooc.
As for your point, it would have been quite interesting if they scheduled fsu, neb and baylor!

But that also has to be a two way street. Everyone just saw Alabama get in by winning one game against a top 25 team (end of season). So which of the big teams are going to want to schedule UCF?

If you lose to UCF, you are out. Especially if UCF loses one conference game. That is going to be too much risk to deal with for a lot of teams.

 

[WhiteSoxClone]

I was talking about ucf. If you are a non power 5 team and want in the cfp, you better have a serious ooc.
As for your point, it would have been quite interesting if they scheduled fsu, neb and baylor!

The problem is that most P5 schools won't schedule a non P5 school that they think has as chance to beat them. So its a catch-22 for schools like UCF. The P5 schools tell them - "schedule a couple of difficult OOC games if you want a shot at the playoffs." The non-P5 schools say - "great, when can we put you down for a game?" The P5 schools respond, "oh, we don't want to play you, schedule someone else."

 

[Titanhawk2]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

So a weak conference champion, say a team that lost 3-4 games but eked out the conference championship, gets a home game against a team that lost one game, it's conference championship? And that's the best against the best?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

You want to be the best, then at least play some of the best.

That doesn't start in december....that starts with their OOC.

But yeah, screw the bama hoodlums

Bama played in their OOC FSU, Colorado St, Fresno St and Mercer. End of the year Iowa had a tougher non conference resume. I just hope the committee starts holding it against SEC and ACC teams who continue to schedule only 1 power 5 teams until they go to 9 conference games like Big 10, 12 and Pac 12.

This year 11 of 14 teams in SEC played 1 power 5 team in OOC and year before 13 of 14. To their credit Georgia has been one team last 2 years playing more than 1 due to annual game with Georgia Tech and one other.

 

[obfuscating]

Did NOT win its division!

Did NOT win its conference!

Did NOT even play in its conference championship game...

Yet, based on the bull#### system in place, it DID win the so-called "National Championship." Ain't THAT cool?

If that's what ESECPN wants, great. But as for me, no thanks. I'll consider UCF, the only undefeated team in the nation, as the national champion until that title is actually decided on the field.

BTW: That's the genius of Nick Saban: Having a buddy like ESECPN and the "selection committee."

#Notmynationalchampion

 

[iahawks10]

But that also has to be a two way street. Everyone just saw Alabama get in by winning one game against a top 25 team (end of season). So which of the big teams are going to want to schedule UCF?

If you lose to UCF, you are out. Especially if UCF loses one conference game. That is going to be too much risk to deal with for a lot of teams.

Which “one game” are you referring to here? LSU or at Miss St?

 

[obfuscating]

The problem is that most P5 schools won't schedule a non P5 school that they think has as chance to beat them. So its a catch-22 for schools like UCF. The P5 schools tell them - "schedule a couple of difficult OOC games if you want a shot at the playoffs." The non-P5 schools say - "great, when can we put you down for a game?" The P5 schools respond, "oh, we don't want to play you, schedule someone else."

Much like Iowa got screwed by Mizzou on backing out. You cannot play everyone if you are Bama, OSU, Georgia, LSU, USC, etc. The big boys will play the competition that will keep their SOS up, so if Oklahoma has to pick between playing Iowa or OhioState - OSU gets the nod because they are historically better for the schedule...

 

[iahawks10]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

I like the theory and all, but do tell how UCF gets a 7th seed when they finished 12th in the final CFP ranking?

Where do you draw the cut off line for G5 conferences? Does 2016 WMU get in at #14? What about 2015 Houston ranked #18?

 

[blhawk]

You want to be the best, then at least play some of the best.

That doesn't start in december....that starts with their OOC.

But yeah, screw the bama hoodlums

Exactly. This is why UCF was left out. OSU couldnt even beat 5 loss iowa. Time to move on....

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Which “one game” are you referring to here? LSU or at Miss St?

Sorry, forgot Mississippi St. So two.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

But that also has to be a two way street. Everyone just saw Alabama get in by winning one game against a top 25 team (end of season). So which of the big teams are going to want to schedule UCF?

If you lose to UCF, you are out. Especially if UCF loses one conference game. That is going to be too much risk to deal with for a lot of teams.

yeah, they are probably not gonna get osu and bama on their sched, but I think they can do better than just playing gt and md....

 

[ukiddinme]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

So you can be an @ large (bama) & not even play an extra game (conf championship)? That's a bonus. Extra rest, sit back & watch & slide in the playoffs. Gotta make/then win your conference championship game to even be considered. Don't matter if you lost 2 games (penn st, osu) .

 

[iahawks10]

Sorry, forgot Mississippi St. So two.

Here is my thought on this years CFP (not that I’m sure you care or anything).

There were three locks: Clemson, Oklahoma, and Georgia.

There were four teams bidding for the last spot: Alabama, OSU, UCF, and Wisconsin. You could argue for all four of them and each of had reasons to be left out. To me, it ultimately came down to Alabama and OSU.

I’ll gladly go through the pros and cons for each school, but Alabama outweighed the other three for that fourth spot. Where I did feel Alabama caught a break was playing Clemson in the first round. I thought Clemson was overrated to be the overall number one after being beat by (4-8) Syracuse.


So there were at least seven teams with a legit shot for a national title. Hopefully this will open enough eyes to move to a 12 - 16 team playoff in the future.

 

[iahawks10]

So you can be an @ large (bama) & not even play an extra game (conf championship)? That's a bonus. Extra rest, sit back & watch & slide in the playoffs. Gotta make/then win your conference championship game to even be considered. Don't matter if you lost 2 games (penn st, osu) .

So a 3 loss PAC 12 team, coming from a weak conference is guaranteed a spot, when a 1 loss B1G team, with a top 5 SOS, could be left out because they didn’t win the conference?

I’m not sure I find the logic here. Do you believe all conferences are equal? Or would you agree that it’s a lot harder to win the SEC and B1G than it is to win the PAC 12 and ACC?

 

[takai]

Honestly, Alabama's schedule is completely cupcake. It's a genuinely pathetic schedule. Hawks would've had 10 wins easy if they played that. How would've Bama fared against OSU, Wisky, Penn State?

It also makes me think, is Bama too scared to play an away game against a good opponent?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd love to see Bama come to Iowa City, in November, while it's 15 degrees outside, and at night. I think Iowa would have a chance at beating them for sure.

 

[ukiddinme]

So a 3 loss PAC 12 team, coming from a weak conference is guaranteed a spot, when a 1 loss B1G team, with a top 5 SOS, could be left out because they didn’t win the conference?

I’m not sure I find the logic here. Do you believe all conferences are equal? Or would you agree that it’s a lot harder to win the SEC and B1G than it is to win the PAC 12 and ACC?

Do you believe all divisions are equal in NFL? Do some 8-8 division champs make it in but not a 10-6 3rd place team? Yes. 1st & foremost win your division (1st round of the playoff imo). How is it fair to avoid, not make it to or essentially get a bye from that "playoff/CCG & get a free birth into the next round (final 4). I would've felt much better if they'd picked 4 out of the P5 champs + UCF (panel by opinion & SoS) . @ least they made it to the "extra round of football" & then won. Instead of NOT making it, sitting around, strategizing & getting healthy. Not fair.
The best teams are usually the top 2 in each division. Alabama did not prove to be that. So... they didn't make the "playoffs"or CCG. Instead they took the spot of the BIG champ..wtf?!?

 

[ukiddinme]

Do you believe all divisions are equal in NFL? Do some 8-8 division champs make it in but not a 10-6 3rd place team? Yes. 1st & foremost win your division (1st round of the playoff imo). How is it fair to avoid, not make it to or essentially get a bye from that "playoff/CCG & get a free birth into the next round (final 4). I would've felt much better if they'd picked 4 out of the P5 champs + UCF (panel by opinion & SoS) . @ least they made it to the "extra round of football" & then won. Instead of NOT making it, sitting around, strategizing & getting healthy. Not fair.
The best teams are usually the top 2 in each division. Alabama did not prove to be that. So... they didn't make the "playoffs"or CCG. Instead they took the spot of the BIG champ..wtf?!?

To me it's like removing the titans from the playoffs @ this pt & putting in the Rams because they had a better record all year & so what if they they didn't make it this far.

 

[steven orr]

It’s funny how people bring up Bama playing Mercer but fail
to mention Central Florida playing Austin Peay. I guess facts get forgotten when it doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[iahawks10]

To me it's like removing the titans from the playoffs @ this pt & putting in the Rams because they had a better record all year & so what if they they didn't make it this far.

It’s berth, not birth.

That might be the worst analogy I’ve ever seen used ever. Makes no sense. You’re going to remove an AFC team to put in an NFC team? You realize the Titans didn’t win their division right? So by your logic, they wouldn’t even be in the playoffs for you to remove.

But again you’re comparing college to the NFL. Comparing 32 teams to 130 teams. They’re not comparable in the least when it comes to scheduling. In the NFL, the divisional teams play virtually the same schedule with 14 of 16 games, including a home / home with each division team. All games count toward your division standings. All rules apply to all teams and divisions the same.


As for college, in most conferences you play your division once (home or away based on luck of scheduling) and set number of divisional cross over games (also based on luck). All conferences games, including cross over games count towards your conference standings. It’s possible for two teams competing for the B1G West will have only played 6 common opponents. As opposed to the NFL where they will have played 14 common opponents (including each other home and home).

It’s far more likely in the NFL that the best team will pull ahead and win its division than compared to college.

 

[iahawks10]

To me it's like removing the titans from the playoffs @ this pt & putting in the Rams because they had a better record all year & so what if they they didn't make it this far.

Except the Rams didn’t get beat by the NFC West champion. They got beat by another division’s third best team. Proving again that it is possible to have some of the best teams reside in one division.

 

[katman15]

Need a playboff with 8 teams - 5 conference champs, 3 at large or a non power 5 like UCF if high enough in the polls. Seeds 1-4 host seeds 5-8 at their home stadium then the bowls handle semi's and final.

So this year...

1) Clemson
2) Georgia
3) Oklahoma
4) tOSU
5) USC
6) Bama
7) UCF
8) Wisconsin

Higher seeds host lower seeds in round one:
8 Wisconsin @ 1 Clemson
7 UCF @ 2 Georgia
6 Bama @ 3 Oklahoma
5 USC @ 4 tOSU

Semifinals at bowl locations:

Clemson/Wisconsin vs USC/tOSU
UCF/Georgia vs Bama/Oklahoma

Or based upon seed results, higher seed takes on lower seed, similar to NFL playoffs.

With this system, Bama is not given a pass to a semifinal game because they are Bama. They must earn their right to win a national championship by playing at a conference champions home field as an at large.

Only way to help level the field. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season or conference championship game.

Agree