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Amos Alonzo Stagg, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Joe Paterno … and Kirk Ferentz

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One more win, and he’ll break a tie with Hayden Fry for most by any Iowa coach.

One more win, and he’ll stand alone at No. 5 in Big Ten Conference history.

Amos Alonzo Stagg, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Joe Paterno … and Kirk Ferentz.

Yet as he approaches his 63rd birthday, on Aug. 1, Ferentz shows no signs of fading into the sunset.

He makes it a priority to stay physically fit. He’s under contract through the 2025 season. He’s coming off his program’s best three-year win total (28) in nearly a decade. He's recently re-tooled his offensive staff. In games, he's become increasingly aggressive — fake field goals, going for fourth downs — with age.

“I know internally, I’ve never enjoyed it any more than I’m enjoying it right now,” Ferentz said. “I really enjoy the players, that’s first and foremost. I enjoy the people I get to interface with every day. I’ve always felt very fortunate about that.”



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scotthawk1964 said:
Kirk Ferentz will go down as a vastly underappreciated coach in my opinion. Yes, I know I don't have the same opinion as every forum member, that much has been obvious, but I for one am glad we have him as our coach.
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Well said. We could absolutely do much, much worse. Kirk is a great football coach, and him being an unbelievably great person and representation of the program is icing on the cake.
 
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KuwaitHawk said:
How far behind jo pa is he?
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19 wins behind Jo Pa...2 or 3 Season at 9 wins per season.

1. Amos Alonzo Stag - 232 wins - 37 seasons (6.27 / yr)
2. Woody Hayes - 205 Wins - 28 seasons (7.32 / yr)
3. Bo Schembechler -194 wins - 21-Seasons (9.23 / yr)
4. Jo Pa - 162 Wins - 19 years (8.5 /yr)
5. Kirk Ferentz - 143 Wins - 19 seasons (7.52 / yr)
5. Hayden Fry - 143 Wins - 20 seasons (7.15 / yr)

6 seasons to over take Bo (9 wins per season), ties him if he averages 8.5 wins for 6 years.

6 seasons with 10-11 wins per year (average 10.5) he would over take Woody (Kirk would be 69).

Question is, would Brian find joy in helping his ol'man get there?

That would be one heck of a story. People would say, "Only at Iowa!".
 
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hawkeyeinmo said:
I second guess Kirk on a few things and guilty of playing Monday morning quarterback after losses but feel the criticism he gets on here by some is laughable. We are lucky to have him and his family representing the University of Iowa.
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I am very happy we have Kirk, but I have to say, when Iowa loses and the team didn't play as I thought they should, I am downright angry cussing at the TV and the coaching staff. But I get over it the same day and move on. This past season was tough because of the inconsistency, watching them dismantle tOSU and then not showing up against Wisconsin and Purdue. I understand the inconsistency. A few new coaches, new offense, new OC, Sophomore QB, freshman tackles, young TE's and ave at best WR corp. My senior year in high school, we had a new coach, and a new offense. We lost the first 3 games of the season because of mistakes, missed assignments blah blah blah. Once we caught on, we won 4 of the last 5 games of the season including beating the #1 team in 3A that year. I think this team with Brian going forward and the new coaches we added, along with bringing back KOK is going to do pretty well. In reality, most of Kirk's mediocre teams only lacked a player here or there, usually a critical skill position person. The recruiting has been better since 2015, and if we can just convince a couple of kids that tOSU, Michigan ect are not the end all of places to be, we could be in the position of having the West chase us each year. Sorry for writing a novel guys, but I am excited about the future of the team and the direction it is going.
 
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Not many schools considered semi-perennial contenders* would’ve given Kirk the job security he’s been afforded at Iowa. Just say’n.

*schools like Tennessee, Auburn, Miami, UCLA, Texas AM, Okie St, Mich St, etc.
 
LaQuintaHawkeye said:
Not many schools considered semi-perennial contenders* would’ve given Kirk the job security he’s been afforded at Iowa. Just say’n.

*schools like Tennessee, Auburn, Miami, UCLA, Texas AM, Okie St, Mich St, etc.
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Agreed, but most of the perennial contenders, and most other semi contenders would do just about anything (ethical or not ethical) to win, Kirk won't. Just say'n. ;)
 
scotthawk1964 said:
Agreed, but most of the perennial contenders, and most other semi contenders would do just about anything (ethical or not ethical) to win, Kirk won't. Just say'n. ;)
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My point being is that he landed at the perfect place for him and his B- coaching style (until recently) in order to stick around long enough to earn a spot on that list of coaches above. Almost any othe school (looking hard at you Nebraska) he wouldn’t get 10-yr extensions with huge buyouts like he has at Iowa. Those other semi-perennial contender schools probably give you 5-6 yrs max to win a couple conf championships, or you’re out.
 
The list is purely about most wins. However, it doesn't take into consideration winning percentage or if you are comparing Kirk to these other coaches you should consider the others on the list coached when the seasons were 6,7,8,9,10,11 games long.
Kirk should really only be compared to coaches in his era in my opinion.
Ethics have nothing to do with this list. We will likely never know what goes on in any of these programs including Iowa. I chuckle when I read those "holier than thou" posts implying we are squeeky clean while no one else is. You likely don't live close to Iowa City or close to the program.
I have been a serious Iowa fan for 60 years and am not that naieve and we shouldn't be.
 
I was in school '02. So many great memories of that year. I rushed the field in '04 after dismantling Wisconsin and got to touch the rivalry trophy as Kirk and Co. walk past. I remember in '08 being in Iowa city with friends and family and we could hear the roar of the crowd 5 seconds before the TV delay showed Murray kick the game winning FG against Penn St. I was at Barleycorn in Chicago for the game winning McNutt touchdown in '09 against MSU. Standing in Miami celebrating the Orange Bowl victory. Walking down a hill in a California neighborhood on my way to attending my first ever Rose Bowl. These are all great football memories that I will never forget and Ferentz was a part of these moments. He was one of the major components to why I am fortunate enough to have thsee memories. I could have been a Gophers, Illini, Hoosiers, and even Wolverines fan these last 16 years and not had nearly as many great memories. But let's Toast to future memories we will have. Now bring on the '18 season.
 
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LaQuintaHawkeye said:
Not many schools considered semi-perennial contenders* would’ve given Kirk the job security he’s been afforded at Iowa. Just say’n.

*schools like Tennessee, Auburn, Miami, UCLA, Texas AM, Okie St, Mich St, etc.
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Are you saying that this list of schools have insisted on A-coaching style...and what exactly is that? Sorry, I am not following your argument.
 
doughawk said:
The list is purely about most wins. However, it doesn't take into consideration winning percentage or if you are comparing Kirk to these other coaches you should consider the others on the list coached when the seasons were 6,7,8,9,10,11 games long.
Kirk should really only be compared to coaches in his era in my opinion.
Ethics have nothing to do with this list. We will likely never know what goes on in any of these programs including Iowa. I chuckle when I read those "holier than thou" posts implying we are squeeky clean while no one else is. You likely don't live close to Iowa City or close to the program.
I have been a serious Iowa fan for 60 years and am not that naieve and we shouldn't be.
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Use what ever rank you prefer but "Big Ten Coaches with the Most wins" seems to be a great list with Stag, Hayes, Bo, Joe Pa, Frye and the like on the list. It's not perfect but its one of the better ranking comparisons out there. The test of time, requires longevity and wins per season (pretty simple formula). The guys on this list are all great coaches in all the eras they coached in and I am not hearing a lot of people diminishing them. Aren't you going a little out of your way, even as a staunch Kirk hater, to diminish Kirk's accomplishments?

1. Amos Alonzo Stag - 232 wins - 37 seasons (6.27 / yr)
2. Woody Hayes - 205 Wins - 28 seasons (7.32 / yr)
3. Bo Schembechler -194 wins - 21-Seasons (9.23 / yr)
4. Jo Pa - 162 Wins - 19 years (8.5 /yr)
5. Kirk Ferentz - 143 Wins - 19 seasons (7.52 / yr)
5. Hayden Fry - 143 Wins - 20 seasons (7.15 / yr)
 
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BCRoss89 said:
Use what ever rank you prefer but "Big Ten Coaches with the Most wins" seems to be a great list with Stag, Hayes, Bo, Joe Pa, Frye and the like on the list. It's not perfect but its one of the better ranking comparisons out there. The test of time, requires longevity and wins per season (pretty simple formula). The guys on this list are all great coaches in all the eras they coached in and I am not hearing a lot of people diminishing them. Aren't you going a little out of your way, even as a staunch Kirk hater, to diminish Kirk's accomplishments?
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What part of they play more games now , don’t you understand? With his schedule, that is at least one more gimmee per year. Also, with the segregated divisions, there is another gigantic advantage when you consider we are on the watered down side and rarely play across the big boys. Also, weaker non con schedule
 
BCRoss89 said:
Are you saying that this list of schools have insisted on A-coaching style...and what exactly is that? Sorry, I am not following your argument.
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I'm only saying that Kirk found the perfect landing spot to allow him to remain as HC as long as he has, thus accumulating the record that puts him on the all-time conference wins short-list.

99% of other schools in Iowa's "tier" wouldn't have allowed him to stick around more than 10-12 years...not without consistent Top 10 rankings and conference championships. And especially if there were more than one instance of dropping a game to non-P5 schools.
 
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What part of they play more games now , don’t you understand? With his schedule, that is at least one more gimmee per year. Also, with the segregated divisions, there is another gigantic advantage when you consider we are on the watered down side and rarely play across the big boys. Also, weaker non con schedule
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Not sure you can prove your claims of more games or for those you can prove that they would be all that significant a difference. Seams like you are making a case for some sort of discount to total wins based on a comparison of SOS? Kirk's record has been very good against Michigan, PSU, MSU, and recently against OSU, but I think we have played those teams plenty as cross overs and then add in Wisconsin, NU and Debby when they were better who all did well against their crossovers, I'm not so sure your inter-division play and overall SoS discount would hold up.

Anyway, you do the crunching, the numbers don't lie. I think worse case, its much less of statistical significance of a difference then you claim. In the mean time, check this out..
For example,
1. Amos Alonzo Stagg - 232 wins - 37 seasons (6.27 / yr)
2. Woody Hayes - 205 Wins - 28 seasons (7.32 / yr)
3. Bo Schembechler -194 wins - 21-Seasons (9.23 / yr)
4. Jo Pa - 162 Wins - 19 years (8.5 /yr)
5. Kirk Ferentz - 143 Wins - 19 seasons (7.52 / yr)
5. Hayden Fry - 143 Wins - 20 seasons (7.15 / yr)

BTW, Hayden and Kirk are the lowest number of Seasons on the abbreviated list.
 
Ross, you must have some sort of learning or comprehension disability and if so I am sorry for pointing it out. However, what we are saying it is much easier to average 7.5 wins per season when you play 13 games per season versus many on the list only coached 6,7,8,9,10,11 games per season and when the seasons were expanded the teams added cupcakes to their schedule and added another home game for their coffers. Generally speaking most teams find it easier to win a game at home rather than away.
I'm not a staunch Kirk hater as you state, but rather believe Iowa should aspire for greater accomplishments rather than accept what we have now.
 
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Ross, you must have some sort of learning or comprehension disability and if so I am sorry for pointing it out. However, what we are saying it is much easier to average 7.5 wins per season when you play 13 games per season versus many on the list only coached 6,7,8,9,10,11 games per season and when the seasons were expanded the teams added cupcakes to their schedule and added another home game for their coffers. Generally speaking most teams find it easier to win a game at home rather than away.
I'm not a staunch Kirk hater as you state, but rather believe Iowa should aspire for greater accomplishments rather than accept what we have now.
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So, first, who is "we"? Do you have a turtle in your pocket? Second, because more than one person on this forum agree based on unsubstantiated logic, does not make you right or me wrong. Third, simply repeating you hypothesis over and over does not prove it to be correct.

All I am saying is prove it, show me the statistical proof. Take a look at how many games Stagg played a year. The the difference between "average number of games played" a year by Stagg, Woody, Bo, Jo Pa, Hayden and Kirk is not that significant.Also, I am guessing average season SOS would be very similar too.

You could do the analysis of Strength of Schedule from year coached and compare to other coaches. I am not sure where to begin calculating your "cup-cake" hypothesis. You'd be better off sticking to average SOS per year coached. But go ahead, calculate it if you can.
 
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You prove it ross. Obviously you do have at least one disability. You are unable to comprehend fact, repeatedly. Ferentz is coaching in an era where each season has more games on schedule than when the other coaches listed did. FACT.
You prove your hypothisis. Just because you repeat some theory doesn't make it fact.
It's easier to schedule 3 or 4 cupcakes prior to the league going to 9 game seasons and winning at least 3 of them each season. Then you only have to average 4 league wins per season and that's enough to satisfy losers like you.
 
doughawk said:
You prove it ross. Obviously you do have at least one disability. You are unable to comprehend fact, repeatedly. Ferentz is coaching in an era where each season has more games on schedule than when the other coaches listed did. FACT.
You prove your hypothisis. Just because you repeat some theory doesn't make it fact.
It's easier to schedule 3 or 4 cupcakes prior to the league going to 9 game seasons and winning at least 3 of them each season. Then you only have to average 4 league wins per season and that's enough to satisfy losers like you.
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Is there a reason you post like a third grader when somebody disagrees with you? Ross is making a valid point. Also you think that those coaches on that list didn't have cupcakes every year? Right. And since you brought it up please show me the statistics on what you consider a cupcake and that Iowa schedules three or four of those based on your analysis for every year KF has been the head coach.
 
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In the past 40 years the Iowa Hawkeye Football team
has enjoyed stability and success. Fry and Ferentz have
helped to make this possible.

Just look at our neighbor the University of Illinois. I have
lost count of how many different football coaches they had
in the past 40 years. It has become a revolving door for
coaches who are fired after 4 or 5 years.

For the record.....Since 1978, the University of Illinois had
10 different Head Football coaches.
 
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KF is a three time B1G coach of the year. Not too many can say that too. Much harder to win at Iowa compared to the blue bloods of the league.
 
LuteHawk said:
In the past 40 years the Iowa Hawkeye Football team
has enjoyed stability and success. Fry and Ferentz have
helped to make this possible.

Just look at our neighbor the University of Illinois. I have
lost count of how many different football coaches they had
in the past 40 years. It has become a revolving door for
coaches who are fired after 4 or 5 years.

For the record.....Since 1978, the University of Illinois had
10 different Head Football coaches.
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I couldn't agree more. I remember all to well the painful 60's and 70's at the bottom of the league. We should all be eternally grateful for what Hayden and Kirk have given us these last 40 years.

I think Brian could help push Kirk's average up to 9-10 wins per season over the next 6 years to overtake Joe Pa, Bo maybe even Woody. And, perhaps sprinkle in a couple Big Ten Championship games (and a title or two), a couple CFP Playoff wins and a National Championship. I think we are closer then Kirk's naysayers would care to admit.

I would love to think that in this day and age, that a father and son could share a passion and enjoy working together to achieve a goal that would cement their legacy in college football history. What a story!
 
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