Andegre - A question for you

[Pennstate1985]

I was using your wrestlestat site yesterday, and it is a wonderful tool!!! I believe you're an Iowa fan, so thought you might see this here more quickly, and I apologize in advance to the board for starting a thread on a specific question to a poster.

The question I have is with regard to how you calculate bonus rate. I was looking at Zain Retherford's stats yesterday and noticed that he finished 28-0 with 25 bonus wins, two decisions, and a forfeit. You calculated his bonus rate as 89.29%, which is 25 bonus wins over 28 wins. Why is a forfeit used in your calculation as a decision, rather than simply leave the forfeit out for bonus (becomes 25/27 or 92.59%) calculation? Seems like a wrestler is being penalized in this manner when he had no choice in the matter. Your thoughts?

 

[cidhawkeye]

6 team points, should it be considered a bonus?

 

[LBlindHawk]

I'd argue to leave it out of the denominator (25/27) as you have above. The stat should represent the wrestlers ability to bonus rather than reflect outside-of-match events or decisions.

 

[BeastMode177]

I'd argue to leave it out of the denominator (25/27) as you have above. The stat should represent the wrestlers ability to bonus rather than reflect outside-of-match events or decisions.

unless its an iowa wrestler.

 

[crablegs1]

I'd argue to leave it out of the denominator (25/27) as you have above. The stat should represent the wrestlers ability to bonus rather than reflect outside-of-match events or decisions.

I agree with this. A forfeit isn't a win by bonus. People are going to use this bonus rate to determine dominance and including forfeits would skew that data.

 

[BeastMode177]

I agree with this. A forfeit isn't a win by bonus. People are going to use this bonus rate to determine dominance and including forfeits would skew that data.

But then it also shouldn't be held against him, it should be 25/27 not 25/28

 

[andegre]

I'd argue to leave it out of the denominator (25/27) as you have above. The stat should represent the wrestlers ability to bonus rather than reflect outside-of-match events or decisions.

I agree with this. A forfeit isn't a win by bonus. People are going to use this bonus rate to determine dominance and including forfeits would skew that data.

But isn't the official way to include forfeits, yet exclude medical forfeits? On phone, not going to lookup right now...

 

[HawkeyeDenny]

I think forfeits should just be left off individual records and someone's record should only be contested matches...you see so much more of this at the HS level where 106 pounders or Heavyweights get so many forfeit wins and their records can get deceiving...

 

[OILCHECKER]

I think forfeits should just be left off individual records and someone's record should only be contested matches...you see so much more of this at the HS level where 106 pounders or Heavyweights get so many forfeit wins and their records can get deceiving...

I disagree, If I am a 106 lber and cut weight all week and worked my butt off, if I make weight and then step on the mat I think I deserve a win for a forfeit. Especially when/if your team has a 106 lber and they instead wrestle him on the jv or not at all vs. throwing him out against me. Not my fault you cannot fill out your line-up or are afraid to face me.

 

[vhsalum]

If it scores team points - it deserves to be on your individual record.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

But isn't the official way to include forfeits, yet exclude medical forfeits? On phone, not going to lookup right now...

No. The official way is to include both forfeits and medical forfeits as wins, and bonus point wins. (although, for the RPI, NEITHER is considered a win) That said, the person on the other end of a medical forfeit is NOT charged with a loss (obviously, there is nobody to charge the loss to in a dual-setting forfeit).

 

[theIowaHawk]

What could be more dominating than Zaining a guy so bad he simply cowers in the corner and forfeits?

/s

 

[Pennstate1985]

What could be more dominating than Zaining a guy so bad he simply cowers in the corner and forfeits?

/s

I would tap out immediately if the bow and arrow was put on my 53 year old body.

 

[Azchief32]

I would tap out immediately if the bow and arrow was put on my 53 year old body.

I'd stay in for a 12 pack

 

[Pennstate1985]

I'd stay in for the morphine injections

fify

 

[AFHawk86]

I'd stay in for a younger body!

 

[Pennstate1985]

Probably worthy of a new thread, but who are the top 3 or 5 most brutal wrestlers that you wouldnt want to wrestle against.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Probably worthy of a new thread, but who are the top 3 or 5 most brutal wrestlers that you wouldnt want to wrestle against.

Cory Clark's Shoulder
Cory Clark's big you know what's
Cory Clark