SIAP Didn't see anything about this yet, thoughts?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-names-alleged-ku-klux-klan-members/75039282/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-names-alleged-ku-klux-klan-members/75039282/
Anonymous takes on the KKK
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It's ambitious and noteworthy and admirable...if correct.
Have heard that the list features an openly gay mayor (Jim Gray, Lexington, KY) and a mayor of Latina descent (Madeline Rogero, Knoxville, TN) so I remain skeptical. We'll see if proof is provided and how the cards fall after that.
Does anyone find it a little bit hypocritical that Anonymous is out there putting out the names/phone numbers/addresses and everything else for members of groups that they consider to be enemies but that they themselves insist on being anonymous??
Also how can we confirm that the names that they have are legitimately people that are connected to the KKK and not just something they made up.
For just 1000 people I'm seeing a lot of well known names popping up. That makes me question it.
Millions of people on Ashley Madison and the most well known name was Josh Duggar. But just 1000 KKK members and you are getting mayors and senators . . . the whole works?
Also how can we confirm that the names that they have are legitimately people that are connected to the KKK and not just something they made up.
For just 1000 people I'm seeing a lot of well known names popping up. That makes me question it.
Millions of people on Ashley Madison and the most well known name was Josh Duggar. But just 1000 KKK members and you are getting mayors and senators . . . the whole works?
Anonymous denies link to list of alleged KKK members — and promises to release its own
Updated | Online hacking group Anonymous has denied responsibility for the recent publication of a list that claims some U.S. politicians belong to the Ku Klux Klan.
Last week, Anonymous said it would soon release the identities of about 1,000 members of the white supremacist organization. Anonymous is expected to release the details on Thursday, the day of the global protest movement known as the Million Mask March, in which demonstrators around the world will march in a protest against corrupt governments and corporations.
Anonymous denies it has any connection to the list of names, which was published Saturday on the website Pastebin. Most of the politicians included on the list—four Republican senators, four Democratic mayors and a Republican mayor—have denied the claims.
There is no evidence immediately apparent that confirms the details posted on the website. The posting user is identified as "Amped Attacks."
The pastebin links sent to us regarding #OpKKK were sent to us by Anonymous individuals. The actual release for Operation KKK will be 5 Nov.
— Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) November 2, 2015
This account has NOT YET released any information. We believe in due diligence and will NOT recklessly involve innocent individuals #OpKKK
— Operation KKK (@Operation_KKK) November 2, 2015
Updated | Online hacking group Anonymous has denied responsibility for the recent publication of a list that claims some U.S. politicians belong to the Ku Klux Klan.
Last week, Anonymous said it would soon release the identities of about 1,000 members of the white supremacist organization. Anonymous is expected to release the details on Thursday, the day of the global protest movement known as the Million Mask March, in which demonstrators around the world will march in a protest against corrupt governments and corporations.
Anonymous denies it has any connection to the list of names, which was published Saturday on the website Pastebin. Most of the politicians included on the list—four Republican senators, four Democratic mayors and a Republican mayor—have denied the claims.
There is no evidence immediately apparent that confirms the details posted on the website. The posting user is identified as "Amped Attacks."
The pastebin links sent to us regarding #OpKKK were sent to us by Anonymous individuals. The actual release for Operation KKK will be 5 Nov.
— Anonymous (@YourAnonNews) November 2, 2015
This account has NOT YET released any information. We believe in due diligence and will NOT recklessly involve innocent individuals #OpKKK
— Operation KKK (@Operation_KKK) November 2, 2015
It bothered me some, at first. But here's the thing . . . the people whose secrets they expose are people who are abusing their authority and the public trust. If Anonymous is similarly abusive of the public trust, then I'll hold them to that same standard. Until then, they've earned the benefit of doubt.
While outed KKK members will receive no sympathy from me, what's next? Who will be the "evil" organization targeted next? It will be interesting to see this develop.
I'm not so worried about that. So far Anonymous has been mostly a force for good. But I do worry about 3 things:
1) If someone less savory takes control of the group;
2) If the government or corporations start doing bad things in the name of Anonymous to discredit them and undermine their public support; and
3) What's to keep government or corporations from setting up their own hacking operations (which they probably already do, but aren't currently using them this way as far as we know).
I trust in the ability of Anonymous to flush out the imposters and wreak greater havoc on them than the imposters could to Anonymous.
Don't join groups that represent interests that you are embarrassed to publicly support?
Welcome to 2015. You should assume that everything you ever do or say will eventually be noticed/heard by someone else, probably starting with our own government. That's the freedom we've given up to be "safe" (and yet there are still dolts who support the patriot act and "advanced" interrogation methods) and for us to have social media.
The KKK? Really? Why don't they hack a more relevant organization like Daughters of the Confederacy or the League of Nations.
I don't entirely trust Anonymous and I further don't trust that they remain Anonymous.
Organizations like Anonymous??
That's the whole problem I have here. You are talking about one organization who's members hide their identities outing members of another organization.
One organization that likes to wear masks in public outing members of another organization that likes to wear masks in public.
Look the KKK is a small group of racist dickheads. I get that. I'm not terribly bothered by them being outed as long as the information can be confirmed.
But I don't entirely trust Anonymous either. I think they are a reactionary semi-vigilante group that holds themselves above the law. I don't trust any group that holds themselves above the law.
League of Nations? What's your point?
It's one thing to point to dead politicians having been involved in the KKK 75 years ago. It's quite another to learn of current politicians having relatively recent (and continuing?) associations.
You don't have to trust them. Just don't belong to a group whose message you wouldn't openly support.
You're blaming them for a decision you (hypothetically) made. If you're "outed" by Anonymous, that means you're doing something that you wouldn't publicly disclose. How is that Anonymous' fault?
As for the comparisons of what they and the KKK wear, so? If someone wants to "out" Anonymous, get really good at hacking and figure it out. I'm sure they understand the risks they take by being part of that group, just as you should understand the risks of being outed if you're KKK, Westboro, part of some crazy anti-abortion group, some socialist group, some anarchist group, Ashley Madison, or whatever other group you choose to belong to. Anyone who believes that in 2015 they are able to do things like this free from potential consequence are naive. Operate under the assumption that it will be brought to public attention at some point, and live your life accordingly.
THAT SAID, I too wish we could go back to a more private lifestyle, in a sense. But we've chosen this, as a society. We want this. We have 24/7 news channels, twitter and facebook, and allowed our federal government to spy on us. We care more about knowing that Bill is a racist prick than protecting the right for Bill to be a racist prick. If you want to debate whether that is good or bad for society, I'm with you, but you're laying the responsibility at the wrong feet. It's not on anonymous. It's on us.
I get that and honestly that is one of the reasons I don't really join any controversial group no matter if they are mainstream or not. Plus while I have strong political feelings, it's generally not my thing to run out and protest things or donate money to political movements, I'd rather give it to less controversial charities. For the most part I vote and that's it. I did work on a failed run at the House of Representatives for the guy who is now my Senator. That's really enough hands on politics for me.
I still think it's hypocritical for them to give out that information while not being out in the open themselves. This adds to my distrust and dislike of them.
As for the privacy thing. . . I can go both ways on that. It's opened up a can of worms for people to be harrassed in their own homes. Can't count the number of times people have had to leave their homes in fear because the internet mobs are chasing them down over some perceived injustice or crime. And that has extended to expressing unpopular opinions. Internet mobs have really curtailed free speech.
On the other hand it's opened up our eyes to things going on behind closed doors or that we might not have otherwise been aware of.
ok, what if they got a hold of medical records and decided they were gonna release a list of people that are infected with hiv. This is completely hypothetical, I don't know if it's even possible to do. What then? They would essentially "out" a group of people that likely did not choose to be. Again, just throwing this out there for discussion.
Because I guarantee you that there are 20 other reasons not to vote for any such politician, and that their mouth-breathing constituents will probably still vote them in anyway. It's an irrelevant organization and an easy target at this point.
Please.
Remember when the GOP was making a huge fuss over Obama not wearing a flag lapel pin? Or not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem?
Obviously bullshit attacks. But in the practice of politics, you throw out as many criticisms as you can because what doesn't influence one voter may influence the next.
When it comes to criticism, involvement in the KKK isn't mere bullshit. It says something non-trivial about the character and beliefs of the person. The idea that you should disregard this KKK association because there are other reasons not to vote for that candidate or because it may be a waste of time when dealing with brainwashed lemmings may reflect the sad truth, but it doesn't mean you should give them a pass on this clear moral failure. (Assuming the claims are true, for now.)
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