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Any Republicans horrified by the 2016 Republican Presidential leaders?

Let's see ... Cruz is going to carpet bomb ISIS, and prosecute Planned Parenthood; Trump is going to build a 2,000 mile wall (that apparently can't be climbed over) and make Mexico pay for it.

These guys remind me of Newt Gingrich.
 
I'm not sure I agree. Kasich, Bush, Christie and Walker all showed they can lead even if I mostly disagree with the direction. The Rs just don't want a good leader. Rs are getting just what they want. A firebrand to burn the whole place down. The fault isn't with the candidates, but with the voters.
it's always humorous to be when libs disparage the Republican field. Your leader is being investigated by 100 FBI agents for possible criminality, your second candidate is an aging Socialist who honeymooned in the USSR and your last candidate is so gutless he apologized for daring to say all lives matter
 
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Let's see ... Cruz is going to carpet bomb ISIS, and prosecute Planned Parenthood; Trump is going to build a 2,000 mile wall (that apparently can't be climbed over) and make Mexico pay for it.

These guys remind me of Newt Gingrich.
these are all good, positive things
 
it's always humorous to be when libs disparage the Republican field. Your leader is being investigated by 100 FBI agents for possible criminality, your second candidate is an aging Socialist who honeymooned in the USSR and your last candidate is so gutless he apologized for daring to say all lives matter
Did you even read my post? I said "Kasich, Bush, Christie and Walker all showed they can lead" I then went on to even suggest they were good at it. I'm not disparaging your great leaders. I'm disparaging your foolish voters.
 
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Did you even read my post? I said "Kasich, Bush, Christie and Walker all showed they can lead" I then went on to even suggest they were good at it. I'm not disparaging your great leaders. I'm disparaging your foolish voters.
all these guys are liberals, commie leftists, and votes do not get the guys installed

and they have leaders or handlers in the new world order, they bow to them. ask Obama and bush and Clinton. puppets all.
 
all these guys are liberals, commie leftists, and votes do not get the guys installed

and they have leaders or handlers in the new world order, they bow to them. ask Obama and bush and Clinton. puppets all.
What difference does it make if they are commie leftists if they are just puppets of the elites? You constantly display a schizophrenic political view. On one hand you care if people are libs or cons while simultaneously holding the idea that none of that matters because the Queen of England and her lizard people really run the show. Pick a flavor. Either political ideology matters because the leaders get to determine what happens or everything is controlled and predetermined. You can't hold to both.
 
That had nothing to do with Christie's lack of success.

You see...he thanked Obama once...and might have shook his hand. When that happened he went from Right Wing Icon to Liberal pansy just like that. No policy change. No different stances on issues. Just thanked the president for helping his state out after a hurricane, and the morons on the right magically baptized him a liberal. And people are surprised we get Trump and Cruz out of the GOP?
Christie was appropriately grateful to the federal government and Obama for speedy, generous help during hurricane Sandy.

It shows just how delusional the right has become that this caused so many to turn on Christie.
 
What difference does it make if they are commie leftists if they are just puppets of the elites? You constantly display a schizophrenic political view. On one hand you care if people are libs or cons while simultaneously holding the idea that none of that matters because the Queen of England and her lizard people really run the show. Pick a flavor. Either political ideology matters because the leaders get to determine what happens or everything is controlled and predetermined. You can't hold to both.
the elites are commie leftists, the queen all of them. commies, leftists. yes, even lizard people are commies. I hold one view.
 
see natural, the aliens, the lizards, the elites, the queen the pope, colonel freakin sanders, all one globe, all one world order, all one left.
 
see, natural , you must come at it from the point of view that the elites are on the right, I do not, every elite in recent history has been coming at it from the left , every ruler, stalin, hitler, rockefellers, rothchilds, queen , bilderbergs, attacking from the left all. see: left is more government, more elite, more, more, right is less government, less elite {more equality} , less regulations. I know it's tough for you to see it that way. I look at all elites and all rulers as leftists. this is why the jury is still out with me wondering if trump will bow to the leftists. he has before to get things done in NY and NJ.
 
Did you even read my post? I said "Kasich, Bush, Christie and Walker all showed they can lead" I then went on to even suggest they were good at it. I'm not disparaging your great leaders. I'm disparaging your foolish voters.
I meant to attach the OP. Sorry about that mistake.
 
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Still don't understand how a rich, glorified salesman has so many Republicans fooled. Trump has built his lead on appealing to the baser instincts of (hopefully) the least educated Americans.
Then there is Cruz who may be the most self serving and despised politician in decades. Apparently, no one that knows the man can stand him. That these two men lead in Iowa does not speak well of the conservatives in this state.
To me he has the same appeal and appeals to the same people as Rush Limbaugh. He bellows outrageous things loudly and he insults people. A lot of people just eat that up. It doesn't matter that most of what he says is untrue or that the things he says he'll do and not really doable, those folks just enjoy hearing it.
 
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Trump has about an inch deep grasp of the issues, and it's amazing that he sits where he's at, but I could see a slight chance where he could pull in voters and win the general. Cruz, on the other hand, would have just north of a zero percent chance. He's so over the top and pandering with the religious talk, it would make the average voter vomit. Like Elmer Gantry, for the old movie fans out there.
 
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There's an interesting article in Politico today that contradicts the usual thought process that Trump supporters are of the 'fat, dumb and stupid' crowd.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

Not all authoritarians are Republicans by any means; in national surveys since 1992, many authoritarians have also self-identified as independents and Democrats. And in the 2008 Democratic primary, the political scientist Marc Hetherington found that authoritarianism mattered more than income, ideology, gender, age and education in predicting whether voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. But Hetherington has also found, based on 14 years of polling, that authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—
more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.





Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533#ixzz3xXQn3xtI
 
see, natural , you must come at it from the point of view that the elites are on the right, I do not, every elite in recent history has been coming at it from the left , every ruler, stalin, hitler, rockefellers, rothchilds, queen , bilderbergs, attacking from the left all. see: left is more government, more elite, more, more, right is less government, less elite {more equality} , less regulations. I know it's tough for you to see it that way. I look at all elites and all rulers as leftists. this is why the jury is still out with me wondering if trump will bow to the leftists. he has before to get things done in NY and NJ.
I accept you see it that way, but there is still an inconsistency. If you think the elites control it all, then Cruz and Trump and all the rest of the people you think of as conservatives are really commie liberals too. Because they all are part of the elite machine. If you think Trump and Cruz and the rest of your heroes are real cons, then the elites can't actually be in charge. You have to pick a world view because what you have going now isn't compatible.
 
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I do think cruz and trump are liberal commies i just think they might be less commie than hillary and sanders.
 
Christie was appropriately grateful to the federal government and Obama for speedy, generous help during hurricane Sandy.

It shows just how delusional the right has become that this caused so many to turn on Christie.

I agree 100%. If they weren't so afraid of their own boogeymen, he'd be their perfect candidate to take on Hillary. But they are too prideful/spiteful to see it or care. So, they will lose. Like Yogi Berra says, they're not happy unless they're miserable.
 
I do think cruz and trump are liberal commies i just think they might be less commie than hillary and sanders.
Not if you think the commies are going to install them. If they win, that just proves they are libs because by your definition every winner is a lib installed by the elites. Only losers can be cons if your world view is right, which is where we agree.
 
There's an interesting article in Politico today that contradicts the usual thought process that Trump supporters are of the 'fat, dumb and stupid' crowd.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

Not all authoritarians are Republicans by any means; in national surveys since 1992, many authoritarians have also self-identified as independents and Democrats. And in the 2008 Democratic primary, the political scientist Marc Hetherington found that authoritarianism mattered more than income, ideology, gender, age and education in predicting whether voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. But Hetherington has also found, based on 14 years of polling, that authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—
more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.





Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533#ixzz3xXQn3xtI
Thanks for bringing that to our attention. With the right and Republicans screaming about freedom so often and so loudly, it's nice to be reminded that the right and Republicans are more authoritarian than the rest of us. Plenty of explanatory power in that.

These quotes stood out:

Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

... authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality.

... it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.
 
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