Too much MMA fighting has his brain scrambled.
Apparently, the Germans were the good guys in WWII? At least according to this moron.
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To be fair, the fire bombing of Dresden's civilian population is indefensible.
Un freaking real
They used concentration camps to kill the innocent
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It’s sad how pathetic people’s understanding of history has become. I knew people who survived the London bombings by Germany. Many civilians died as a result of Hitler’s atrocities.
He knows about Dresden but not the London Blitz? Or Rotterdam?
Maybe, but his last statement makes him lose all credibility.
Yeah, bombing Dresden certainly isn't among the highlights of American history. It's why trying to draw any comparisons about military actions never ends well with WWII.
Now, devoting a significant amount of your economy for the sole purpose of systematically exterminating an entire race of civilians is in a completely different category.
Now, devoting a significant amount of your economy for the sole purpose of systematically exterminating an entire race of civilians is in a completely different category.
This. Germany leveled most of London. Endless bombings on the city overnight for months.
London and Rotterdam were the first recorded examples of fake news... never happened
The best part is the 250K death toll is literally Nazi Propaganda from 1945. The real estimate was 25K dead.
If the libs hate Hitler then he can't be that bad.
Germany never deliberately bombed civilians?,.. Sorry, remember the Blitz?,.. Lack of sophisticated targeting technology doesn't absolve the Germans of this crime...
As already addressed, the guy in the tweet is dead wrong. Community Notes have already addressed their bombings, to say nothing of the liquidations carried out in the East.
In my opinion, the fire bombing of Dresden was predominantly to show the Soviets what we could do. The Soviets actually requested it, as they were approaching Dresden and viewed it as a logistics hub. But we didn't just attack the railyards. We leveled the city, to show what we could do.
I wouldn’t say indefensible for these two. I don’t agree with them doing it, but there were arguments either way.
I’ve read multiple arguments over the years whether dropping the A-bomb was necessary, saved lives, etc.
Interesting.
One of the reasons the Japanese are our allies is because of the ambassador we sent.
He was married to a Japanese woman. He felt the Japanese had been punished enough so he worked at reconstruction. His wife, along with the sister of the emperor started a group that was 50% Japanese women and 50% foreigners. They fostered an understanding of the culture. My mother was fortunate enough to be a member, and I am even more fortunate to have inherited a painting that the princess painted.
Sorry, that was a side story.
Long story short. We rebuilt what we destroyed. There were still Japanese that hated us, but they were very few. They got their one day a year to protest outside the bases. Our military didn’t need to corral the protesters, the Japanese police took care of that with billy clubs. We couldn’t go anywhere, the base was closed so we road around on the base bus to watch.
Some of you guys are great for reminding me of my experiences and writing about them. Thanks for that, no matter what side you’re on.
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It wasn’t us. We dropped explosives targeting the marshaling yards.
The British firebombed Dresden as retaliation for the fire bombing of London and the resulting Second Great London Fire. Both attacks were calculated fire bombing campaigns. The Germans absolutely targeted non-military targets, specifically churches, in their campaign. Hell, they lobbed unguided V2s at London just to terrorize them.
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I was watching EuroNews this morning, and the way they presented the story of people commemorating Dresden was very much anti-allies.
"The horrific bombing by the allies destroyed the town and killed civilians, now they gather to mourn and commemorate every year..."
It was as if the Nazis and Nazi sympathisers were the victims...
WTF I thought...
Yep that's the one I saw this morning. They forgot the Nazis controlled the place.
It’s just engagement farming
WW2 is now distant enough that many people have long forgotten that in times of war, good people can and will do bad things...
Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five would be a good read,... He survived the Dresden fire bombing as a P.O.W.
We hit those first, but they also just bombed the city center with incendiaries on Feb 14th.
An RAF memo issued to airmen on the night of the attack gave some reasoning for the raid:
Dresden, the seventh largest city in Germany and not much smaller than Manchester is also the largest unbombed builtup area the enemy has got. In the midst of winter with refugees pouring westward and troops to be rested, roofs are at a premium, not only to give shelter to workers, refugees, and troops alike, but to house the administrative services displaced from other areas. At one time well known for its china, Dresden has developed into an industrial city of first-class importance ... The intentions of the attack are to hit the enemy where he will feel it most, behind an already partially collapsed front, to prevent the use of the city in the way of further advance, and incidentally to show the Russians when they arrive what Bomber Command can do.
It’s important to understand that Dresden ended up in the East, after WW2.
A friend of mine happened to be a young boy that lived in the east. (He was head of Interteam in Brazil and I worked for them)
The only reason I heard his story was because I made whole wheat cookies and took some to him. He took a bite and flung it across the room. He apologized and told me the story of growing up on the opposite side of the wall.
He said that the west was fed by the allies, the east had no food. He rummaged in garbage for something to eat. I’m sure that most, can’t even imagine having to do that.
I’m not surprised that the descendants would feel the way they do, much like the descendants of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
The major difference is what happened after the war. Many European allies, as well as Asians affected by the Japanese invasion, still have hostilities towards those that inflicted mass casualties.
A friend of mine happened to be a young boy that lived in the east. (He was head of Interteam in Brazil and I worked for them)
The only reason I heard his story was because I made whole wheat cookies and took some to him. He took a bite and flung it across the room. He apologized and told me the story of growing up on the opposite side of the wall.
He said that the west was fed by the allies, the east had no food. He rummaged in garbage for something to eat. I’m sure that most, can’t even imagine having to do that.
I’m not surprised that the descendants would feel the way they do, much like the descendants of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
The major difference is what happened after the war. Many European allies, as well as Asians affected by the Japanese invasion, still have hostilities towards those that inflicted mass casualties.
The RAF made buildings uninhabitable with heavy explosives before they dropped incendiaries. Blowing the roofs and windows out exposed the most flammable parts of the building and normalized pressure so the fire would spread more easily. Then they dropped in incendiaries. They absolutely meant to burn it all down.
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So the Battle of Britain was a collective hallucination?
As indefensible as a gas chamber for six million Jews and maybe 5 million others?
As indefensible as their Axis buddies the Japanese in the rape of Nanking or the forced rapes of Korean “Comfort Women”?
Yeah…not close.
Did he forget the bombings of Krakow and London?
Not surprised he is boys with Rogan
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Northern is a very *special* kind of stupid Goldy.
We let him ramble on here as a form of therapy.
It's best to just nod and laugh and go about your day.
1.) Soviets requested we bomb Dresden as the city was a major logistical hub for Army Group South
2.) about 30,000 died still horrific but the 250,000 claim was deliberate Nazi propaganda
3.) of the 10 largest cities in Germany to that point Dresden had been bombed the least
4.) while we provided about half of the bombers & nearly the entire fighter escort the mission was under bomber command
5.) Dresden was fully integrated into the German air defense network & was a military industrial center
2.) about 30,000 died still horrific but the 250,000 claim was deliberate Nazi propaganda
3.) of the 10 largest cities in Germany to that point Dresden had been bombed the least
4.) while we provided about half of the bombers & nearly the entire fighter escort the mission was under bomber command
5.) Dresden was fully integrated into the German air defense network & was a military industrial center
