Are you (finally?) sold on the Greg Davis offense?
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from 2001 to 2009 Greg Davis won 10+ games every year....
since he left Texas, Texas has stunk... he's why they were good.... and he's why they ain't good now....
he's also a big reason why we won 12 games last season...
that old boy knows how to run an offense.
he's arguably the best in the business.
since he left Texas, Texas has stunk... he's why they were good.... and he's why they ain't good now....
he's also a big reason why we won 12 games last season...
that old boy knows how to run an offense.
he's arguably the best in the business.
Hard to argue with above post. Coukd be worst and has been. I was down on his ability but facts are that he can coach. Happy to have him.
Lol what? Pretty damn easy to argue with that. To do so is a complete waste of time though.
Our Offensive personnel wasn't very good his first years here - i don't care who you are you need a certain amount of talent to be successful! For example i loved all Mark Weisman exemplified but you need better than him but he was the best GD had to use at the time - and dont get me wrong Weisman still did very well. But weve got more talent now and we look very good using it! I also love how KF stood behind him those first years - shows what a stand up guy KF is - 99% of coaches would've dumped him when the fire got hot! Go Hawks!
Offensive yards per play have increased every year since his first season. That trend looks likely to continue again this year. That's not bad.
Beathard and Daniels/Wadley would make pretty much any OC look good. I'm waiting to see how Davis calls the next game against a top 10 defense. I will give him credit for a pretty good game against Mich St. last year.
Whatever the reason, it's hard to argue with the production. CJ might be the best quarterback Iowa has had in Kirk's tenure too so that certainly helps. Obviously a strong argument could be made that Banks was better but if CJ continues to play as he has this year and matches last year's numbers I think it would be hard to argue that he wasn't the best.
I've been wrong before, which is why I'm not an NFL scout, but CJ seems to have a lot of the tools you'd want to see in the NFL for quarterback as well.
I've been wrong before, which is why I'm not an NFL scout, but CJ seems to have a lot of the tools you'd want to see in the NFL for quarterback as well.
The o-line has also looked pretty salty using a few different looks in the ground game.
Outside 1 series a game he does a decent job. For some reason though when we are gashing a D by the run he decides to dial up 3 straight pass plays and we go 3 and out.
I've noticed this as well but it hasn't been discussed around here. I like the pulling guards/Center in the run game. We did that more in Kirk's earlier years. That might be a personnel package that you can't do with less mobile guards/centers, I dont know. But I like it.
I think he has done a good job overall but cmon maaaaaan!! He has arguably the best quarterback in the history of Iowa football.
Still ok. Some of his series decisions are head scratchers. Would like to see him utilize CJ to attack safeties deep more often.
Otherwise, not bad.
Otherwise, not bad.
The same definitely could be said about his time at Texas. His offenses were 20 times better with an elite QB. Then it gets into a debate about whether those QBs were elite because of his system or if they were studs that would perform extremely well in almost any system.
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That was a great game. Watched it literally two minutes and already saw two hits that would have clearly been targeting. How the game has changed in ten years.
That was a great game. Watched it literally two minutes and already saw two hits that would have clearly been targeting. How the game has changed in ten years.
How to run an offense? Questionable. See some of the calls over the last few years as well as complaints from Texas days.
How to identify and develop a quarterback to lead an offense? Unquestionable. Vince Young, Colt McCoy, Beathard, etc.
I can't stand it. Enjoyed the hellout of last season and again this year, but I despise his playcalling.
This years has been more entertaining than last, partly due to health of qb and ease of opponents.
This years has been more entertaining than last, partly due to health of qb and ease of opponents.
That was a great game. Watched it literally two minutes and already saw two hits that would have clearly been targeting. How the game has changed in ten years.[/QUOTE]
yah... that is interesting...
also I noticed the crazy number of times guys fumbled the ball... something that doesn't go over so well at Iowa.
I never did see Greg Davis in this video... I imagine he was in the Press Box... but I did see Bobby Kennedy.
after watching this game, I can't help but think we might be that good... perhaps even better...
I love our system, the way we run our offense... I don't much care for the Read Option style Texas used at that time...
I thought some of Vince's throws were awfully lazy... but... he is an amazing runner, for sure....
and Reggie Bush had incredible speed... but he didn't have the moves Akrum has....
not many do.
interesting also was the number of times both teams went for it on 4th down.
and also... as impressive as Vince Young is... I think CJ Beathard is every bit as good... if not better... especially when you consider the throws he makes on the run....
should be an interesting season.
I love your shtick man, cracks me up pretty good
Why not practice your offense live during a rout? Those 3 passes were all near perfect. All catchable passes. And I believe sent to our best receivers. If that happens again, I will scream. We cannot have that during B1G play with the game on the line.
Pretty hard to suck with the talent he had there. Been down this road before.
Greg Davis is not the reason for Texas' decline.
There's already been several plays ran this year that we have never seen before. I've loved all of them, he did some homework during the off season.
Or for some reason comes out of halftime with 5 wide & no huddle. While I love to see this and it was probably just for practice, it's obviously not what they're good at.
No offense is perfect, but I like the offense and the job that Greg Davis is doing.
1. I think that Greg Davis has become a pretty good fit with Kirk and Brian Ferentz. I do not think that was true the first couple of seasons.
2. To be effective, Davis needs an aggressive quarterback. If the quarterback checks down too quickly or frequently, then Davis gets blamed for the 3 yard routes.
3. Davis needs a quarterback with the arm strength or timing (but mostly the arm strength), to get the ball to the wide receiver quickly on the zero yard "smoke" routes. If those passes are slow to get to the wide receiver, those plays get blown up.
4. Davis is also far better with running backs who are dangerous in the passing game. We had seen the wheel route that Wadley caught for a TD before. Davis ran that against us in the bowl game against Texas, with a RB named Jamal Charles.
5. I am sure that he would still love to have the type of speed that he had at Texas, particularly at WR, but I think that he has adjusted to our personnel. I think he has gotten reacquainted with the fullback, tight ends and the power running game. That is a clear change in style from what Texas was running later in his tenure (a lot of 1 back, 3-4 wide receiver sets).
On balance, I like what we are doing.
1. I think that Greg Davis has become a pretty good fit with Kirk and Brian Ferentz. I do not think that was true the first couple of seasons.
2. To be effective, Davis needs an aggressive quarterback. If the quarterback checks down too quickly or frequently, then Davis gets blamed for the 3 yard routes.
3. Davis needs a quarterback with the arm strength or timing (but mostly the arm strength), to get the ball to the wide receiver quickly on the zero yard "smoke" routes. If those passes are slow to get to the wide receiver, those plays get blown up.
4. Davis is also far better with running backs who are dangerous in the passing game. We had seen the wheel route that Wadley caught for a TD before. Davis ran that against us in the bowl game against Texas, with a RB named Jamal Charles.
5. I am sure that he would still love to have the type of speed that he had at Texas, particularly at WR, but I think that he has adjusted to our personnel. I think he has gotten reacquainted with the fullback, tight ends and the power running game. That is a clear change in style from what Texas was running later in his tenure (a lot of 1 back, 3-4 wide receiver sets).
On balance, I like what we are doing.
No doubt our offense is better. Part of that is cj, part is a greatly improved running game which I attribute to some new blocking schemes.
So I guess we won't be seeing the GDGD "3 and Out" graph that's been floating around for a few years? As said, a great QB in CJ and talented personnel certainly make coaches look better, however I do appreciate different looks, playcalling, formations, etc that keep the D guessing even if it doesn't work all of the time.
He has the horses now or at least has changed thing for the guys he has. His first few years it seemed he was trying to force people into his system. the offense looks a lot better than when he first got the job. That said, I don't think he would have been as good with the brownlee/tate combo.
I lived in Austin, Texas for a few years when Greg was the OC for the Longhorns.
While it's easy to point out how Davis benefitted from the crazy level of recruiting the Longhorns enjoyed then ... it's equally easy to point out that the offensive lines that Texas had were big and highly rated (in terms of recruiting) - but they classically underperformed.
While I actively rooted against the Longhorns while I lived there ... I always thought to myself how much more dangerous they could be if they had offensive line play more akin to what we see trained by Ferentz.
As an odd twist of fate, I now find myself cheering for a Greg Davis coached offense ... but now one that features a Ferentz coached offensive line!
There really aren't too many coaches out there who are better at developing QBs than Greg Davis. Additionally, the very fact that he's been around football so long ... not unlike an offensive version of Norm ... there's simply not much in football that he hasn't seen. Consequently, for anything that he might see on tape ... he probably knows tweaks within our offensive system in order to counter them.
For years I've lamented how Iowa had lacked the talent at RB to complement the talent of our OL. Fortune seems to finally be smiling upon us. I'm very happy with what guys like Daniels, Wadley, Mitchell, and Akinribade bring to the table ... and the '17 RBs likely can add even more octane.
The only other limiting factor that many of us probably agree upon is that the overall talent-level at WR at Iowa is often underwhelming. Don't get me wrong ... that is not to say that sometimes it doesn't peak at high levels. Very briefly, at one time, we had guys like Douglas, Cleveland, DJK, Arvell Nelson, and McNutt on campus all at the same time. Definitely a lot of talent ... but it never came to fruition on the field. At another time, things seemed like the talent level could be high with guys like Willies, Scheel, Mitchell (then a WR), etc ... but again things didn't come to fruition at WR. Hopefully, we'll eventually see our WR talent and depth match what we're now seeing at RB.
Anyhow, I'm happy with Greg ... and it looks like the pieces are getting assembled for a nice run for the Hawks!
While it's easy to point out how Davis benefitted from the crazy level of recruiting the Longhorns enjoyed then ... it's equally easy to point out that the offensive lines that Texas had were big and highly rated (in terms of recruiting) - but they classically underperformed.
While I actively rooted against the Longhorns while I lived there ... I always thought to myself how much more dangerous they could be if they had offensive line play more akin to what we see trained by Ferentz.
As an odd twist of fate, I now find myself cheering for a Greg Davis coached offense ... but now one that features a Ferentz coached offensive line!
There really aren't too many coaches out there who are better at developing QBs than Greg Davis. Additionally, the very fact that he's been around football so long ... not unlike an offensive version of Norm ... there's simply not much in football that he hasn't seen. Consequently, for anything that he might see on tape ... he probably knows tweaks within our offensive system in order to counter them.
For years I've lamented how Iowa had lacked the talent at RB to complement the talent of our OL. Fortune seems to finally be smiling upon us. I'm very happy with what guys like Daniels, Wadley, Mitchell, and Akinribade bring to the table ... and the '17 RBs likely can add even more octane.
The only other limiting factor that many of us probably agree upon is that the overall talent-level at WR at Iowa is often underwhelming. Don't get me wrong ... that is not to say that sometimes it doesn't peak at high levels. Very briefly, at one time, we had guys like Douglas, Cleveland, DJK, Arvell Nelson, and McNutt on campus all at the same time. Definitely a lot of talent ... but it never came to fruition on the field. At another time, things seemed like the talent level could be high with guys like Willies, Scheel, Mitchell (then a WR), etc ... but again things didn't come to fruition at WR. Hopefully, we'll eventually see our WR talent and depth match what we're now seeing at RB.
Anyhow, I'm happy with Greg ... and it looks like the pieces are getting assembled for a nice run for the Hawks!
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He is a much better coach than most people would like to admit, but he was terrible in 2012. He took a moderately successful quarterback in Vandenberg and turned him into a pumpkin. He has done well since then, but that year was a disaster.
