Barring intervention from SCOTUS, we are on the verge of either banning TikTok or requiring its sale to a friendly company.
Do you favor this? Why?
Do you favor this? Why?
Are You For or Against Banning TikTok?
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I'd prefer that another social media company not be bought by billionaires to be used to brainwash the masses like the last one.
Sure, there's security risks associated with the app, but I'm for banning it to improve society.
We need less of this, not more:
Against.
Because of the hot chicks, obviously
Because of the hot chicks, obviously
i have no problems if the control panels are in american hands
i would be somewhat ok even if it's in chinese hands if our apps were operating in china
barring above, dump it. there are other options
i would be somewhat ok even if it's in chinese hands if our apps were operating in china
barring above, dump it. there are other options
Besides which, they'll just sell the data. To the highest bidders - including China, Russia, the US, and anyone else who's willing to pony up. Capitalism, capitalism über alles.
I don't think the US government should use economic pressures on China to allow a US company to buy the damn thing and use it for their own advantage(scraping data on users to better target ads).
If you don't want it, don't use it.
But if Congress and the next POTUS do this I look forward to the tech wars to come, but have little faith they will be good for my life.
If you don't want it, don't use it.
But if Congress and the next POTUS do this I look forward to the tech wars to come, but have little faith they will be good for my life.
Everyone is using and selling our data.
What is Bytedance doing that's different??
What is Bytedance doing that's different??
Tik Tok is a stupid waste of time.
I'm usually on it before I go to bed and can kill an hour in no time. I'm not I'm favor of banning too many things. So set let the people decide.
I'm usually on it before I go to bed and can kill an hour in no time. I'm not I'm favor of banning too many things. So set let the people decide.
Only if we can also ban Facebook and twitter. I don't trust American based multinational corps who sell my information to whoever is willing to pay any more than I trust Chinese based ones
Don’t use it so I don’t care that much.
But I have to think TikTok and other similar social media is ruining this country and allowing major idiots to become popular and people want to idol that complete idiot.
Thus TikTok can’t be doing anything good for America.
But I have to think TikTok and other similar social media is ruining this country and allowing major idiots to become popular and people want to idol that complete idiot.
Thus TikTok can’t be doing anything good for America.
Reels has caught up in the ass department. I'm good with banning tiktok now.
America has laws barring our own government from gathering certain kinds of information on its own citizens.
When we bother to give more than lip service to those prohibitions, but we want those data, we just buy them from the corporations we allow to surveil us, or from our allies. Credit agencies, insurance companies, ISPs, social media platforms, and so many more.
One nation, under surveillance....
When we bother to give more than lip service to those prohibitions, but we want those data, we just buy them from the corporations we allow to surveil us, or from our allies. Credit agencies, insurance companies, ISPs, social media platforms, and so many more.
One nation, under surveillance....
summary is "Chinese law requires ByteDance to comply with Beijing’s surveillance demands. This is why there’s no way to mitigate TikTok’s security risks besides a forced divestment. "
WSJ Editorial Board: Tackling the TikTok Threat
The Committee on Energy and Commerce is the oldest standing legislative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives and is vested with the broadest jurisdiction of any congressional authorizing committee.
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there are a couple puzzling things on the politics of tiktok. until a month ago trump and his camp were totally anti tiktok operating under chinese ownership. soon after elections, bam they've reversed course and seem sympathetic. otoh, until the election was lost biden and the dems seemed sympathetic to bytedance but after losing the election bam they've reversed course and would like to nail them. what's going on? almost like post election the lobby money switched from dems to reps...of course i am totally guessing
I actually liken this to the Nippon/US Steel situation. There are some commodities that are sensitive and part of US’s vital interests and we have laws in place to help secure private industry for what the nation needs.
Being foreign owned, the laws are pretty clear on what the US can do. However, more speech is good for free speech.
That being said, the best compromise has already been proposed. ByteDance sells TikTok to a US owned and known friendly custodian all contingent upon providing full source-code (in escrow, subject to DoJ review).
Being foreign owned, the laws are pretty clear on what the US can do. However, more speech is good for free speech.
That being said, the best compromise has already been proposed. ByteDance sells TikTok to a US owned and known friendly custodian all contingent upon providing full source-code (in escrow, subject to DoJ review).
It's just a hunch, but it sure seems a bit more like crony capitalism than national security.
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100% ban on social media and smart phones for kids under 18. You can call and text until you are 18. The extremism, not to mention social pressures/bullying they see on a daily basis is criminal.
dig a little deeper and see why it is damaging to a developing brain.
That is not the declared reasons this is being considered.
I think it's a valid concern, but not something that should reach the levels of the Federal Government.
Against the ban. Tik-tok for me at least has been an entertaining trek into social media. I cannot stand Twitter/X...it used to be highly entertaining and funny....now its not fun...I don't like Facebook/Instagram....for the same reason.
I guess I could venture over to youtube it tik-tok goes away.
I guess I could venture over to youtube it tik-tok goes away.
I don't use it, so I have no opinion based on the nature of the platform.
And honestly, I'm not sure that I entirely understand the legislation in question that well (other than the net of, the chinese have to divest or it can't operate in the us). My "gut" from scanning the briefs was that both sides were talking past each other a bit, and maybe playing a little fast and loose, but, my 'gut' was that this seemed like a first amendment problem that shouldn't meet the strict scrutiny standard.
But i've got the oral argument on in the background right now, and so far, the justices (of all stripes) seem to be giving Tiktok a pretty hard time. Curious to see how General Prelogar's argument goes.
And honestly, I'm not sure that I entirely understand the legislation in question that well (other than the net of, the chinese have to divest or it can't operate in the us). My "gut" from scanning the briefs was that both sides were talking past each other a bit, and maybe playing a little fast and loose, but, my 'gut' was that this seemed like a first amendment problem that shouldn't meet the strict scrutiny standard.
But i've got the oral argument on in the background right now, and so far, the justices (of all stripes) seem to be giving Tiktok a pretty hard time. Curious to see how General Prelogar's argument goes.
Social media sites could actually strengthen their TOS or at least enforce them to help lessen this stuff. But then we would have a group of people claiming that they are being silenced by big tech.
Sure do. But that's not the reasons being given for this potential ban.
I could see how that could be an underlying motivator for some in government, but I don't see how it would be Constitutional(which may be why it's not the preffered talking point).
I trust China with my personal data more than I trust Musk or Zuckerberg (who have probably sold my personal data to China or worse already).
hypothetical question unrelated to tik tok but associated with online stuff.
Assume gambling is addictive. Assume gambling platforms are pretty good at identifying "high users", who might be correlated with persons with addiction. Assume their marketing hooks reach, or even focus somewhat on, those people. And assume there are disclaimers, references to addiction hotlines, etc.
Do you think platforms should be legally exposed vis a vis claims by addicts?
Do you think this is not the case right now? It is all about the $$ and has nothing to do with ethics/morality. Everything in America is transactional or moving that way. Everyone knows they are going to become millionaires if the government just wouldn’t tax them so much…or try to regulate their behavior!?
No, I don't think we're there now. But recently, as part of looking at McKinsey's settlement in the opioid matter, I began to mull the parallels. In the longer term, it would not surprise me at all to see a similar type of "crisis" in the future.
