Are You For or Against Banning TikTok?
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That's very good issue on it's own, but it's a different issue and hardly unique to TikTok.
And ruin googling "random Onlyfans name leak?" You monster.
Tik tok, Twitch/streaming, insta and onlyfans has ruined this whole new generation of young people.
Interesting article, albeit out of date. To the extent that those considerations are still front and center, it's not clear that TikTok is worse than home grown surveillers (surveillents?) like X and Facebook, and Google and....summary is "Chinese law requires ByteDance to comply with Beijing’s surveillance demands. This is why there’s no way to mitigate TikTok’s security risks besides a forced divestment. "
WSJ Editorial Board: Tackling the TikTok Threat
The Committee on Energy and Commerce is the oldest standing legislative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives and is vested with the broadest jurisdiction of any congressional authorizing committee.energycommerce.house.gov
Bad actors are bad actors. Being a US bad actor doesn't make that OK.
If we are going to have rules, let's have rules that aim at the actual problems.
Moreover, if we are going to complain about the evil Chinese doing bad things, can we please make sure that we don't do the same bad things?
I'm not sure why they are talking about banning it.
With that said, the world would be a better place without it.
With that said, the world would be a better place without it.
Facebook helped radicalize a lot of Boomers and Pre-Boomers in the middle of the last decade
It would just get replaced. If I had to guess this has a lot more to do with US billionaires wanting to have that platform or it's replacement, all of data it creates for AI, and it would probably be used to manufacture consent for corporations and the government.
i disagree with the first bolded part. there is quite a bit of difference between surveiling by x/facebook/google and permitting surveilance by the chinese.
and sure we can certainly use government machinery to enact rules that aim at actual problems but that is a separate challenge from denying the chinese free access to american data and ability to shape sentiments here.
For example? What do you think they are doing with data about you or me that's worse than what our greedy corporations or our corrupt governments do?
We aren't talking about state secrets here or theft of intellectual property. We're talking about your habits and my shopping preferences. China is probably a lower risk to us than our domestic powers.
for example retain the power to incite or inflame a protest in a way that weakens cohesion or increases fissures here. it's not just about monitoring shopping preferences and you well know it
I’m for barring all social media. A help for some. A destructive force to the majority.
That's a different issue and I started to raise it in my previous post but decided not to muddy the waters.
Are you agreeing with my point in my previous post? If not, please address it.
As for this "incitement and propaganda" issue, I totally agree. BUT this concern applies equally to every platform of this type. So why are we singling out TikTok?
If your answer to that is "China" then go back to my previous comment.
By all means let's try to come up with a way to address this "incitement and propaganda" concern. If we can, let's apply it uniformly. It's a hard task because of America's "free speech" roots. But that's the debate we should be having.
I'm against.
First, I like TikTok and I think it brings value if you're looking at the right things which TikTok is very good at putting in front of you based on your viewing habits. If you're seeing crap, its because you like seeing crap.
Second, politicians want to ban it because it gives ordinary citizens access to information they may not want us to see.
Third, the Chinese are in so much of our lives right now, if the concern is because its the Chinese then they themselves need to stop investing in China and getting China out of all the other facets of our lives.
The bytedance/tiktok issue is one of national security. The issue you initially focussed on was customer privacy/ tracking etc. You now bring up the propaganda issue but also ascribe it to domestic players.
from my pov, they are 3 separate issues and should not be obfuscated by bundling them. Chinese threat to wage war via tiktok psyops should be eradicated. The other issues can be dealt with separately but there is zero call to use those as an excuse to continue allowing damage real or potential by the chinese.
i think i understand your points but why would you be against its sale to an american business? if your fear is that a musk type might take it then how about a (hypothetically) neutral to left decent org of your choice? would you still be unhappy?
Yesterday on my drive to Lexington, I was listening to jj green’s report on this. (WTOP national security beat reporter who is imo the best reporter out there). Was actually surprised at the sense of seriousness with which he presented the Chinese threat, at least as perceived by the intel community.
Congress may be dolts, but this was a bit eye opening for me
it’s really not difficult to imagine the chinese salivating to try a arab spring type operation on us via tiktok when the opportunity presents itself. even if some consider that possibility far fetched we have to be fools to let them have that capability in their back pocket.
Agreed. And beyond that, a little surprising at just how open the Chinese have been about viewing Americans data as a natsec tool/weapon
Because I didn't correctly read the question lol... I'm not opposed to forcing them to do that. I would say there are lots of other areas where that needs to be done.
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