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Armed teachers could have stopped it

There's a deterrent effect. These shootings don't generally happen at locations that have armed security. But it is fun to call Trump stupid.
 
Give them tasers, less lethal but still effective.

That might help a little. However, deterrence is still the best defense. Hell, just park a few marked squad car in front of each school. Do something! Are we going to sacrifice the safety of school children over an all or nothing Second Amendment/gun control pissing match? Are these kids just props to be used to advance political agendas.

Obama's silence in the face of inner-city gun violence just highlights his shallow political approach to problem solving. He's been exposed.
 
Pretty sad that the Republican solution to all these shootings is to ask people to fight the crime themselves.
 
Are you sure that campus doesn't have armed security? Iowa and Kirkwood has it so my expectation is this school did too.

Edit, I guess you are right:
http://www.nytimes.com/live/shootin...r-armed-campus-security-guards-was-dismissed/
The former president of an Oregon community college where a gunman opened fire, killing at least 10 people and wounding seven others, says the school has only one security officer on duty at a time, and that person isn't armed.
 
What about arming untrained civilians to fight killers sounds like a good idea to you?
Not that this is my favorite plan, but surely you would concede that any government plan that involved giving weapons to teachers would also produce some sort of mandatory training time. Probably also with a pay bump and yearly retreats and an inservice day and drills run during English class.
 
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Do you think crazy bastards that plan on dying really care if there are armed guards. I mean how many of the people that do mass shootings live

These people care about living just long enough to murder a lot of people. So yes, armed guards do tend to spoil their party. That's why they pick soft targets.
 
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BTW, any teacher who wanted to be armed at UCC could have concealed-carried. Of course, the shooter killed the teacher in his classroom so I doubt it would have done much good.

In fact, John Parker, a 36-year-old Army veteran, was armed and on campus along with other armed students at the time of the shooting. They didn't move to help because law enforcement was already on the scene and they knew that they would be targeted it they tried to provide aid.
 
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BTW, any teacher who wanted to be armed at UCC could have concealed-carried. Of course, the shooter killed the teacher in his classroom so I doubt it would have done much good.

In fact, John Parker, a 36-year-old Army veteran, was armed and on campus along with other armed students at the time of the shooting. They didn't move to help because law enforcement was already on the scene and they knew that they would be targeted it they tried to provide aid.
I noted when I checked out the Kirkwood security website that a permit doesn't allow anyone to get around their strict no weapon policy. (Kirkwood is the local community college in Iowa City.)
 
I noted when I checked out the Kirkwood security website that a permit doesn't allow anyone to get around their strict no weapon policy. (Kirkwood is the local community college in Iowa City.)

Oregon law allows concealed carry just about everywhere. Colleges can exclude them from classrooms but not the campus. I doubt the carriers bother to disarm when they walk into a building.
 
I don't think that Trump supporters really listen to what he says. Really how could they?

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I think his new hairstyle is more interesting.
 
Oregon law allows concealed carry just about everywhere. Colleges can exclude them from classrooms but not the campus. I doubt the carriers bother to disarm when they walk into a building.
My office doesn't allow cc on premises, I leave mine in my vehicle. I obey the law... see how that works, those that obey are the ones in jeopardy.
 
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What about arming untrained civilians to fight killers sounds like a good idea to you?
Where did I say untrained? Have always been an advocate for getting and staying trained, keep your own ideas to yourself.
 
Do you think crazy bastards that plan on dying really care if there are armed guards. I mean how many of the people that do mass shootings live
Acctually they do, that's why they don't attack gun shows, cop conventions, NrA rallies...
 
Acctually they do, that's why they don't attack gun shows, cop conventions, NrA rallies...
Because they generally buy there guns at gun shows. And. There have been shootings at military institutions, so there's that.
 
What about arming untrained civilians to fight killers sounds like a good idea to you?
Are you kidding? Average citizen pulls his constitutionally protected firearm and puts 3 or 4 rounds into the crazed mass killer saving dozens. Makes you want to fap.
 
My office doesn't allow cc on premises, I leave mine in my vehicle. I obey the law... see how that works, those that obey are the ones in jeopardy.

And he shot the teacher...so much for an armed teacher being any help. Those on campus who WERE armed, decided to stay put rather than giving responding law enforcement a target. See how that actually worked? In real life?
 
Are you kidding? Average citizen pulls his constitutionally protected firearm and puts 3 or 4 rounds into the crazed mass killer saving dozens. Makes you want to fap.
Are you kidding ME? The Conservative solution to gun violence is to make it easier for all to get their hands on guns and tell ordinary citizens that they should act as their own police force? That's basically throwing your hands up and admitting that you don't have a solution.
 
Huh? Currently guns are not allowed on US domestic military bases. Those are soft targets. There is a bill in the works to change that.http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...bill-could-lift-restrictions-on-military-guns
I have a hard time buying into the argument that military bases are soft targets. I hear over and over that these shooters are looking for the most vulnerable targets possible. Problem is that a military base filled with trained soldiers wouldn't seem to fit that description. Even in the absence of guns, these are still highly trained people in the art of tactical warfare. I think soft targets have less to do with these shootings than some think.
 
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