It's not me who needs to see the light. It's the people who are arguing for ordinary teachers to have guns who need to see the light.
Armed teachers could have stopped it
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Why do you keep pretending that a few weekend classes can in anyway prepare someone to use guns in combat situations? You're proposal is completely unrealistic.
Don't forget that we have to indemnify the teachers, the school, the LEA, and the state for personal injury should they accidentally shoot a hostage. And we'll need a pool of money for any hostages shot or families of those killed by teachers.
If those weekends are spread out throughout the year to say, 26 weekends - yep they become proficient. Will it happen overnight of course not? Sort of like pitching, you don't start lessons expecting to be able to throw a knee-buckling curve ball. You work your way to it by learning an inside\outside fastball and a change up.
Why are you being unrealistic in your thought that whatever is to be done should be implemented and ready in a day? Who's being unrealistic?
You seriously think you can train a novice in open fire combat with just $200?
So on top of teaching classes, grading homework, and taking courses to keep up to date with ever changing information, you expect teachers to spend their weekends learning how to be soldiers? It's totally unrealistic.
Not really.
1. They will be so proficient they would never shoot an innnocent.
2. The families will be so grateful that their child was shot by a trained teacher instead of a lunatic they won't be that upset.
Maybe we could classify them as weapons manufacturers so they couldn't be held liable.
3 million teachers isn't enough to get a group discount? Just get them specialized in head shot training, etc. Quite honestly, you could have these teachers practice on these video games. Heck, have them play call of duty during breaks. Look how good these kids can shoot, it must be good practice.
Look at just a few crazy programs we waste money on. You can find plenty of spending money with this garbage. Protecting our rights and our children should come way before these things below.
#6 The Department of Health and Human Services plans to spend $500 million on a program that will, among other things, seek to solve the problem of 5-year-old children that “can’t sit still” in a kindergarten classroom.
#7 Fannie Mae is about to ask the federal government for another $4.6 billion bailout, and it will almost certainly get it.
#1 The U.S. government is spending $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.
#2 The Obama administration plans to spend between 16 and 20 million dollars helping students from Indonesia get master’s degrees.
#3 If you can believe it, the U.S. government has spent $175,587 “to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior”.
#5 The federal government has shelled out $3 million to researchers at the University of California at Irvine to fund their research on video games such as World of Warcraft. Wouldn’t we all love to have a “research job” like that?
Twenty-six weekends? You realize teachers only have kids for 36 weeks, right? You just added a BIG chunk of change to the cost - paying 3.3 million teachers for weekend work.
I'm really hoping this is sarcasm. Playing video games will prepare teachers to defend their schools against heavily armed killers?
So you're going to require teachers to have guns? What about the teacher who doesn't want to be armed and thinks it's a bad idea? Is there such a thing as personal freedom in the Republican Party?
You are trolling. How about the fact that the teachers are going to demand an increase in pay to make up for the added responsibility of carrying a gun?
You are nearly hopeless. Ordinary people can do extraordinary things when given the right tools\training.
What about parents who don't want their kids in a class with a armed weekend-warrior teacher?
Or get shot in their classroom is your alternative? Again, there comes a time when you must learn to defend yourself or you will always be a victim.
What do you propose Huey? Let the government do it all?
On my list of things to worry about every day...getting shot in my classroom doesn't make the list.
I like how some on here are giving up ideas on how to fix it (not all perfect ideas but ideas none-the-less) and others just shout down the ideas with ZERO input of their own.
Put your ideas out there.
Then you aren't paying attention to what's going on in the world. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Actually yes. Unless someone has a lot of training in this exact form of protection, we are all better off leaving it to the professionals. If we decide it's a big enough problem, then putting armed guards in each school would be vastly preferable to telling each teacher to play John Wayne. I'm not sure why you can't get this?
Maybe this is where school choice will come into play. Every school can craft their own security plan and use it as a selling point with parents. Soon we will have a safest baby sitter clubs in the free world. Baby sitting club will seem appropriate as we won't be doing much education in our forts.
Come one. Jamming guns in the hands of teachers isn't a fix and you know it. It's basically just shrugging your shoulders and admitting that you don't know what to do.
There is deterrent effect, but to this point, if we're not ensuring that any armed teachers have recurring, effective weapons training, it's actually going to be riskier to put a loaded gun in teachers' possession than it would be to roll the dice on the odds of incidents like this happening in the classroom. I would support a more stepped-up presence by armed officers on campuses to some extent, though.
LOL...I'll bet I pay more attention than you. For example, I know there are nearly 100,000 public schools in the US. In 2014 there were perhaps 25 incidents on school campuses. Most did not result in any deaths and some of those, like the one at River Woods Elementary in Iowa where a student brought a BB gun to school, involved something non-threatening. Some of those incidents were domestic violence carried to the workplace. Some were altercations that simply occurred near schools.
So 25 incidents out of 100,000 schools means that 0.025% schools had an incident last year. I'm in greater danger driving to school.
How has leaving it to the professionals worked out so far? Putting LEO in every school is going to be costly (probably more than the aforementioned amounts for training teachers). Is it an option? Certainly it is, that will require some time to ramp up the force and be able to station an officer (or more) at the schools (roughly 46k HS in the US, but do we stop with stationing only at HS?). In the mean time, you can train teachers to use tazers in a few weeks - will all be able to pull the trigger when needed, nope - hell that happens in war too with professionally trained soldiers.
You keep insinuating a "John Wayne" type attitude that after training goes away. Again, even some soldiers have that...
I'm not trolling. Why the hell would we not work on this? What teacher wouldn't take an additional $1,000 per year, plus training to carry a gun? We waste so much damn money in this country, yet the government can't run something like this? Hell, train veterans and give them a purposeful job opportunity. It's better than just saying nothing will work and burying your head in the sand.
I have made offers for guns, tazers, etc for teachers. You have offered ZERO - so shrug away.
You didn't ask me, but why not Home schooling? I'm tired of managing around a few jack wagons that want everything perfect for themselves and are willing to risk the safety of others for their own convenience or "Beliefs".
Maybe a little, but think about it. Who are the best shooters out there? Kids seem to be very effective killers and as many have said, they are getting this reaction time and are desensitized to violence by playing these games. What can it hurt? Seriously? It's simulated, but a lot of training things are.
I don't know of any evidence that supports the assertion that children are effective at live combat. I can't believe I even had to write that.
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