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B1G 2017-2018: Wisconsin

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Key Losses:
Bronson Koenig (One of the best 3 point shooters in school history, made many clutch plays over the last four years)
Nigel Hayes (Very solid post presence providing reliable interior scoring and ability to handle the ball against pressure)
Vitto Brown (Best singer on the roster)
Zak Showalter (Most recent player opposing fans love to hate, best perimeter defender and hustle guy)

Key Additions:
Nate Reuvers (83rd in ESPN's 100) - Solid forward who should develop into another forward in the Wisconsin mold. My biggest key for the direction of the program is whether they can afford to redshirt him, if so -- I don't know who they really have coming up, but it's a bad sign for the rest of the B1G.
Kobe King (SG) - Seems like a solid guard that will fit the swing offense well with his ability to handle the ball, and athletic enough to man any guard spot
Brad Davison (SG) - A less athletic but fundamentally sound guard. Another player who will likely develop into a solid Wisconsin wing player

Prognosis:
I hesitate to write this, as it gets repeated every year in futility, but... THIS IS THE YEAR WISCONSIN FAILS TO FINISH 4TH OR BETTER IN THE B1G. There, I said it.
I know, we said that when Kaminsky and Decker left, too, but we had heard rumors that Happ shouldn't have redshirted. I just haven't seen anyone play effectively in a limited role to step in for Koenig, Hayes, Showalter, and Brown. I don't know if Happ can really get much better (he faded down the stretch when teams started running double teams at him), and he's the only proven threat on the team. Trice can shoot, but can he command the offense and make plays like Koenig? Can Illikanen really replace Hayes/Brown? Will Iverson learn from his botched layup in the Sweet 16 and use his athleticism and aggression more consistently?

There are A LOT of questions about what this team will look like next year with so many key components leaving. That said, here is what we know:

Wisconsin will primarily play solid, fundamental man to man defense and try to limit teams to one shot in the half court. On offense, they'll run the interchangeable swing offense against man defense looking to find opportunities to post up Happ and play inside out to get Trice open looks, while running motion to overload any zone that is thrown their way (I expect they will see a lot more zone next year challenging them to find a consistent shooter outside of Trice).

Will limiting mistakes and valuing possession more than other teams be enough to overcome what appears to be a lack of offensive playmakers? We'll see, but my verdict is no. I think they'll fall back to the middle of the pack and play on Thursday of the B1G tournament, then find themselves home before the end of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament.

If this team maintains a Top 4 finish, look out. Greg Gard will have officially left his mark and that program will only continue moving up in the future.
 
Fair analysis, Hopeful. I would add in the first paragraph of your analysis that SC Brevin Pritzl should make up a significant number of the points "lost" by Showy and Koenig's departures. The staff hasn't given up on 7 footer Andy Van Vliet who by all reports (along with Pritzil) shoots out the lights at practice but has not embraced defense to the satisfaction of GG.
The games in New Zealand should reveal whether Happ has developed a mid-range jumpshot. I am quite confident he will be bigger and stronger by December.
 
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Thanks for the info Carlton. I had only seen limited glimpses of Pritzl, who I expected to step into the guard roles with Trice, so I mostly had to go off the limited stats. Enough to get an idea, but not enough to discuss with authority.

Is the frontcourt projected to get filled by Illikainen and Van Vliet, or is the program expecting to get contributions from other untested players? I never seem to have a good understanding of what is in the cupboard there, and players always come in well developed and ready to play as Juniors and Seniors.
 
My guess would be:
(5) Happ. Back up Charlie Thomas
(4) Illikainen. Back ups, Thomas and Van Vliet
(3) Iverson. Back ups Ford, Moesch
(2) Pritzl, possibly Hill. Back ups, the other and King
(1) Trice. Backups Hill or Davison.

Yes, it would be nice if they could redshirt Reuvers to build up his body and get some time in working with the bigs. Ala JorBo, Nate will play if necessary. Most folks that have seen King and Davison in HS and AAU believe they will likely play this coming season.
 
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Thanks to you both for your comments. I've given up on figuring out Wisconsin and have decided to repeatedly expect their doom, as sometimes as it is said, when one is going through hell the best thing to do is keep going.

One day the Earth will open up, the sun will shine, and Wisconsin will be beneath Iowa in talent and in the standings.

I say this will be the year.
 
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With Bridges returning, I now feel much more confident in Wisconsin finally finishing outside the Top 4 of the league. They should finish behind Michigan State, Purdue, Minnesota, and Northwestern with at least Iowa (and possibly Michigan and Indiana depending on whether people stay in the draft) right behind the top group.

Unless Wisconsin gets a gift of a schedule (like playing Rutgers, Illinois, Penn State, Nebraska, and Ohio State twice), I just don't see them finishing anywhere better than middle of the pack.
 
With Bridges returning, I now feel much more confident in Wisconsin finally finishing outside the Top 4 of the league. They should finish behind Michigan State, Purdue, Minnesota, and Northwestern with at least Iowa (and possibly Michigan and Indiana depending on whether people stay in the draft) right behind the top group.

Unless Wisconsin gets a gift of a schedule (like playing Rutgers, Illinois, Penn State, Nebraska, and Ohio State twice), I just don't see them finishing anywhere better than middle of the pack.

Agree that schedule will play a big role (both for Wisconsin and the other teams contending for the middle of the pack). If Swanigan ends up returning, MSU and Purdue are pretty obvious favorites (with perhaps Minnesota up there too). With the Gophers, I'm not convinced that they will stay focused after experiencing some success. But I really like their team, Mason, Coffey, Lynch, Murphy are really good players. B1G will be interesting.
 
With Bridges returning, I now feel much more confident in Wisconsin finally finishing outside the Top 4 of the league. They should finish behind Michigan State, Purdue, Minnesota, and Northwestern with at least Iowa (and possibly Michigan and Indiana depending on whether people stay in the draft) right behind the top group.

Unless Wisconsin gets a gift of a schedule (like playing Rutgers, Illinois, Penn State, Nebraska, and Ohio State twice), I just don't see them finishing anywhere better than middle of the pack.
I agree with the consensus of this thread that Wisconsin is highly unlikely to finish higher than the middle of the B1G. Happ is a great college player, but if Swanigan returns, I agree that there are at least 4-5 teams you have to predict ahead of Wisky (MSU, Purdue, Minny, NW, and I would add IU). I also believe that Iowa and Michigan have a good chance to finish above Wisky.
 
I hope you are all correct and Wisky falls back to the middle. I am afraid that they will once again figure it out and finish tied for 4th. I can't pick against Wisky but it does appear this will be their tallest task to finish top 4 in a long time.
 
I hope you are all correct and Wisky falls back to the middle. I am afraid that they will once again figure it out and finish tied for 4th. I can't pick against Wisky but it does appear this will be their tallest task to finish top 4 in a long time.

"On paper" Badgers have been counted out before. They have a track record that has to be respected. I wouldn't be shocked to see them finish 4th again, nor would I be surprised to see them lower than that.
 
Fair analysis, Hopeful. I would add in the first paragraph of your analysis that SC Brevin Pritzl should make up a significant number of the points "lost" by Showy and Koenig's departures. The staff hasn't given up on 7 footer Andy Van Vliet who by all reports (along with Pritzil) shoots out the lights at practice but has not embraced defense to the satisfaction of GG.
The games in New Zealand should reveal whether Happ has developed a mid-range jumpshot. I am quite confident he will be bigger and stronger by December.
Let's hope Happ doesn't improve from the free throw line and we can still depend on hack-a-Happ to get him rattled!
 
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"On paper" Badgers have been counted out before. They have a track record that has to be respected. I wouldn't be shocked to see them finish 4th again, nor would I be surprised to see them lower than that.
Agree, but again, I think each of the other years they either haven't been replacing as much, have had role players show flashes, or a combination. That isn't the case this time around.

Certainly, teams like Wisconsin are tough to predict, with the amount of unknowns coming. With some relatively stable teams towards the top of the standings already, I have to favor the known quantities (MSU, Manny, NW)

We'll see if they add a transfer with a ride opening up, but I just don't think We've seen anyone besides Happ with star potential, and I haven't heard any rumblings about hidden gems in practice. Unless their incoming frosh can exceed expectations, the odds aren't good for a double bye.
 
Bucky has had the occasional "star" but the program has learned to win with guys like Showalter, Gasser, Morley, Nixon, Tanner Bronson- I could go on but even you wouldn't recognize many of these players.
The "gem" I have heard plaudits about is small forward, redshirt freshman Aleem Ford. He and Trice were classmates/teammates at IMG Academy. I am hopeful but not ready to anoint him until they start playing in NZ and Australia this summer. Like the trip to Canada in 2013, this one couldn't come at a better time.
It is a rebuilding year coming up but I am excited to see what the new guys can do in the B1G.
 
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Agree, but again, I think each of the other years they either haven't been replacing as much, have had role players show flashes, or a combination. That isn't the case this time around.

Certainly, teams like Wisconsin are tough to predict, with the amount of unknowns coming. With some relatively stable teams towards the top of the standings already, I have to favor the known quantities (MSU, Manny, NW)

We'll see if they add a transfer with a ride opening up, but I just don't think We've seen anyone besides Happ with star potential, and I haven't heard any rumblings about hidden gems in practice. Unless their incoming frosh can exceed expectations, the odds aren't good for a double bye.
To put a different spin on it, I'm cautiously optimistic that WI will finish outside top 4. With the strength of the league upcoming and the holes WI has to fill, a returning post who can't shoot FTs could actually be a detriment.
 
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Well put Canada.
To fuel other speculation about next year's Badgers, I would think a guy like Dean Oliver could help Happ not only with his FTs but also with developing a jump shot.
 
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Well put Canada.
To fuel other speculation about next year's Badgers, I would think a guy like Dean Oliver could help Happ not only with his FTs but also with developing a jump shot.

That's interesting Carlton. Have you heard that Oliver might leave Illinois State for Wisconsin? I believe Oliver has been with the Redbirds for three years? Free throw shooting has been a mixed bag, in three years, .714, .668, .664. On the downward trend. But on the other hand the only guy who came in three years ago that is still there has gone from .557 as a freshman to .763 as a soph.

The latter being similar to trends shown with players on the Iowa team quite often.
 
Just internet speculation based on Twitter chatter by fans anxious to learn who the new assistant coach will be.:D Until today, it centered on former UW-M assistant Rob Jeter, and two past guards, Freddie Owens and Sharif Chambliss.
Ultimately, it will be interesting to see who applied.
 
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Well put Canada.
To fuel other speculation about next year's Badgers, I would think a guy like Dean Oliver could help Happ not only with his FTs but also with developing a jump shot.
Interesting about Deano being in the running for a B1G asst coach job. But I don't remember him being an exceptional FT shooter (pretty good as needed for a PG) or jump shooter. Good handler, nice burst/change of speeds off the dribble, floor manager: those were his strengths. Don't see him helping Happ with those things.
 
Interesting about Deano being in the running for a B1G asst coach job. But I don't remember him being an exceptional FT shooter (pretty good as needed for a PG) or jump shooter. Good handler, nice burst/change of speeds off the dribble, floor manager: those were his strengths. Don't see him helping Happ with those things.
I was just attempting to be a little cute. My only recollection of Oliver was that we was a solid student and an excellent player.
It would make more sense for him to work with the guards than the bigs.
 
Guard Jordan Hill, a 4th year junior and set to earn his degree in May, is transferring. He can play immediately as a grad transfer. He could have been a senior leader for the Badgers in 2017-18.

How many more hits can Wisky take?
 
Guard Jordan Hill, a 4th year junior and set to earn his degree in May, is transferring. He can play immediately as a grad transfer. He could have been a senior leader for the Badgers in 2017-18.

How many more hits can Wisky take?
2017-18 is likely to be a down year for Wisky. On the other hand, this gives them only 1 senior next year and 6 juniors, with a 3-man class incoming of all 4*s. 2018-19 they'll be positioned to rise again.
 
Guard Jordan Hill, a 4th year junior and set to earn his degree in May, is transferring. He can play immediately as a grad transfer. He could have been a senior leader for the Badgers in 2017-18.

How many more hits can Wisky take?
Badger fan here...lots of questions going into next season but regarding Hill, he could see the writing on the wall. He was passed last season by the freshman PG Trice and he could see he was going to be passed next season by one, if not both, incoming freshman guards.

It's likely Gard will use Hill's scholarship for a grad transfer for next season
 
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