B1G Official calls a Block; the other calls a Charge. They discuss & CALL BOTH A BLOCK & A CHARGE

[Franisdaman]

Isn't it one or the other? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Just when you thought you saw it all.

The 2 players involved both had 4 fouls; they collided outside the restricted area; both were called for a foul and both fouled out.

It's funny because in the video, Dickie V said that all they knew for sure was that one of the 2 had fouled out. Well, he was wrong; both fouled out!

Two days in a row where the B1G officials embarrassed themselves.

The video: www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18655662

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

I've never seen that before, probably because it makes zero sense. I didn't watch the game - who got the ball after the call? I assume whoever had the possession arrow.

I'd really like to hear what was said in the refs' huddle to know how they arrived at such a bizarre conclusion.

 

[BubsFinn]

I've never seen that before, probably because it makes zero sense. I didn't watch the game - who got the ball after the call? I assume whoever had the possession arrow.

I'd really like to hear what was said in the refs' huddle to know how they arrived at such a bizarre conclusion.

It was a gutless move by the refs. Alternate possession gave the ball to Indiana.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I've never seen anything like it. I thought it was a charge.

When officials don't agree, I thought there was a crew chief to settle the dispute.

 

[Hwk-I-St8]

Wouldn't those two calls be mutually exclusive?

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Pathetic. Just pathetic. No way this is the best they can do for high level D1 officials. No fn way

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Wouldn't those two calls be mutually exclusive?

^This

 

[amahawk]

Pathetic. Just pathetic. No way this is the best they can do for high level D1 officials. No fn way

I would settle the call by firing both of them.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

It was a gutless move by the refs. Alternate possession gave the ball to Indiana.

It comes down to one official swallowing their pride. I remember talking to a guy who refs high school basketball and he told me, "that's the worst scenario" you can have happen. He said in his crew they get together and will most likely talk about it and rule in 1 favor. They never call a double foul, because it looks so BAD! He said that is a recipe for a hostile crowd.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

I was watching the game when that play happened. The Indiana big man took the ball near the top of the lane on the right side and literally lowered his shoulder and bulldozed over Purdue's Swanigan like an old school fullback on a dive play. Swanigan was squared up in perfect defensive position with both arms extended straight up. Even when the Indiana kid smacked into him, Swanigan never moved his arms and was sent flying down the lane and past the baseline under the bucket. That was no flop. No sir. And a foul on Swanigan!? Holy basketball, Batman....

If you wanted to put together a rules video and show a classic example of a charge, you'd use that play.

It was as egregious a charge as I've seen in over 50 years of watching college basketball and playing the game myself. It just doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

Even Dickie V. and his sidekick eventually got around to admitting that fact themselves on the air.

We all know there are many calls in basketball that could go either way. Fine. But when players run around the court without dribbling, when they hop a couple times without dribbling in the open court, when the guy with the ball steamrolls a defender and those calls are missed, well, I've always said it's a credit to the players and coaches that there isn't a massive brawl every game.

You can't appeal to a higher court. You can't get a do-over. Obvious calls should never be missed, and it doesn't get any more obvious than that play last night. Thank goodness it didn't cost Purdue the game like it did Iowa.

 

[skallday]

Wouldn't those two calls be mutually exclusive?

Just ask Iowa State fans about block-charge calls. They'd be sure to give you an earful about the 2000 Elite Eight...

 

[EagleHawk]

I've never seen that before, probably because it makes zero sense. I didn't watch the game - who got the ball after the call? I assume whoever had the possession arrow.

I'd really like to hear what was said in the refs' huddle to know how they arrived at such a bizarre conclusion.

Didn't that happen in the ISU MSU tournament game back in the early 2000's? I seem to remember it costing ISU a player

 

[bravehawks1]

I was watching the game when that play happened. The Indiana big man took the ball near the top of the lane on the right side and literally lowered his shoulder and bulldozed over Purdue's Swanigan like an old school fullback on a dive play. Swanigan was squared up in perfect defensive position with both arms extended straight up. Even when the Indiana kid smacked into him, Swanigan never moved his arms and was sent flying down the lane and past the baseline under the bucket. That was no flop. No sir. And a foul on Swanigan!? Holy basketball, Batman....

If you wanted to put together a rules video and show a classic example of a charge, you'd use that play.

It was as egregious a charge as I've seen in over 50 years of watching college basketball and playing the game myself. It just doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

Even Dickie V. and his sidekick eventually got around to admitting that fact themselves on the air.

We all know there are many calls in basketball that could go either way. Fine. But when players run around the court without dribbling, when they hop a couple times without dribbling in the open court, when the guy with the ball steamrolls a defender and those calls are missed, well, I've always said it's a credit to the players and coaches that there isn't a massive brawl every game.

You can't appeal to a higher court. You can't get a do-over. Obvious calls should never be missed, and it doesn't get any more obvious than that play last night. Thank goodness it didn't cost Purdue the game like it did Iowa.

I agree, Swanigan played great defense on that play. For a guy his size that was a very impressive showing of how to play defense from Swanigan by moving your feet and keeping your head and hands up. The bulldozer should not be the winner on a BB court.
The fact that the refs could not call only one foul on that play should be grounds for their suspension. But the B1G doesn't have the balls to do that and probably will not even comment on that one because it is a "judgement" call

 

[icwesthawk]

Has the BIG said anything publicly about the Iowa call the other nite? Don't they usually come out with some kind of statement about controversial calls? I haven't seen anything, just wondering.

 

[DewHawk]

It was an obvious charge and chicken**** refs called a double foul. Purdue got screwed on the call. BIG officiating is really really bad IMO.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I was watching the game when that play happened. The Indiana big man took the ball near the top of the lane on the right side and literally lowered his shoulder and bulldozed over Purdue's Swanigan like an old school fullback on a dive play. Swanigan was squared up in perfect defensive position with both arms extended straight up. Even when the Indiana kid smacked into him, Swanigan never moved his arms and was sent flying down the lane and past the baseline under the bucket. That was no flop. No sir. And a foul on Swanigan!? Holy basketball, Batman....

If you wanted to put together a rules video and show a classic example of a charge, you'd use that play.

It was as egregious a charge as I've seen in over 50 years of watching college basketball and playing the game myself. It just doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

Even Dickie V. and his sidekick eventually got around to admitting that fact themselves on the air.

We all know there are many calls in basketball that could go either way. Fine. But when players run around the court without dribbling, when they hop a couple times without dribbling in the open court, when the guy with the ball steamrolls a defender and those calls are missed, well, I've always said it's a credit to the players and coaches that there isn't a massive brawl every game.

You can't appeal to a higher court. You can't get a do-over. Obvious calls should never be missed, and it doesn't get any more obvious than that play last night. Thank goodness it didn't cost Purdue the game like it did Iowa.

Williams got called for that on Wednesday night and I am almost positive he barely touched the Minny kid. But lowering the shoulder is an automatic give away.

 

[Franisdaman]

I've never seen anything like it. I thought it was a charge.

When officials don't agree, I thought there was a crew chief to settle the dispute.

well, one thing we know for sure! the B1G will not be commenting on these judgement calls!!!!

 

[Franisdaman]

I've never seen that before, probably because it makes zero sense. I didn't watch the game - who got the ball after the call? I assume whoever had the possession arrow.

I'd really like to hear what was said in the refs' huddle to know how they arrived at such a bizarre conclusion.

you seem to know the rules pretty well ever think about being a referee?

also, the call is not reviewable so its just weird; you would think that the ref under the basket would have had the better vantage point?

 

[Franisdaman]

Pathetic. Just pathetic. No way this is the best they can do for high level D1 officials. No fn way

i wonder if fewer people are getting into the profession....or what is going on where we are stuck with this

 

[91hawki]

It was a charge, not even close

Whoever is the Director of Big Ten BB officials should be fired- refs are terrible this year.

 

[DanL53]

The next thing to expect is refs will pretend to be knocked out while play continues with players hitting each other with folding chairs.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I have seen it once or twice and I hate it! A double foul???? If you're not sure which way to call it, call it a dead ball and give the possession to the team that had it and let them inbound the ball. It's basically punishing both players for playing hard. Idiots.

 

[Myvue]

In that situation I thought where refs do not agree on which way to call the foul I thought they always gave the decision to the ref the closest to the point of the foul. It seems to me a jump ball would be appropriate in that situation. As it happens neither team gained an advantage. Indiana got the ball but did not score.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Isn't it one or the other? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Just when you thought you saw it all.

The 2 players involved both had 4 fouls; they collided outside the restricted area; both were called for a foul and both fouled out.

It's funny because in the video, Dickie V said that all they knew for sure was that one of the 2 had fouled out. Well, he was wrong; both fouled out!

Two days in a row where the B1G officials embarrassed themselves.

The video: www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18655662

If that wasn't a charge, I'll eat a hat. Plus, when Bryant lowered his shoulder and tried to be like David Johnson, Swanny was not in the restricted area. I think Dickie V was correct (cop-out).

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

There are two quotes that have stuck with me through the years.

Al McG said, long ago..."its a shame these great players have to play with officials like these." He was referring to the B1G officiating in general and not just the game.

Digger Phelps said, probably more than a decade ago, "when something is as [B1G officiating] bad as this for as long as its been you have to look for some other reason".

The younger guys don't know what the B1G officials used to do. The shenanigans at the end of the Minny game happened six or seven times a season, and much much worse.

 

[johnnashhawk]

It was a charge, not even close

Whoever is the Director of Big Ten BB officials should be fired- refs are terrible this year.

http://www.bigten.org/school-bio/big10-staff.html

 

[El Simbolo]

I tooo would think their position on the court related to the foul would dictate who trumps who if they can't agree or the third official will not break tie

 

[El Simbolo]

A double foul in that situation is impossible. If two players shive each other then double foul may be ok

 

[Cydkar]

If the officials can't agree it should be a jump ball. If that's not the rule, it should be. Problem solved.

 

[iabcuda]

I like to call it "Getting Izzoed" - B1G end-of-game officiating.
I don't always hate, but when I do, I prefer to hate B1G officials.

 

[nychawkeyes]

Men's Basketball Rick Boyages
Seems we should got a campaign going to get someone in this seat who holds officials accountable. Rick is not doing the job.

Sedge

 

[stender72865]

The "blarge" call in the 2000 Elite game between ISU + Michigan State was a big call in that game.

I'm not going to say that it cost ISU the game - no ONE call is the difference in any game - but it certainly didnt help ISU, and "seemed" to benefit MSU momentum-wise. I dont fully remember, it was 17 years ago.

In retrospect, it seemed like a bail out call.

Pick one, block or charge, and move on.

 

[Hawked]

I've seen it before

 

[Dbq_Hawk]

I ref high school basketball here in Iowa(mainly 2A-4A ball). Our crew always talks about those situations. In case of a double whistle on a block/charge both of those refs should have went with the dead ball signal and made eye contact before making the call....guy in the C made the call too fast(even though I believe he was correct). Talk about refs worse nightmare though! These guys are getting paid a couple grand a game! All refs make mistakes but there have been some major ones these past few weeks!

 

[Lone Clone]

Isn't it one or the other? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Just when you thought you saw it all.

The 2 players involved both had 4 fouls; they collided outside the restricted area; both were called for a foul and both fouled out.

It's funny because in the video, Dickie V said that all they knew for sure was that one of the 2 had fouled out. Well, he was wrong; both fouled out!

Two days in a row where the B1G officials embarrassed themselves.

The video: www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18655662

The first time I ever saw a blarge was when Curtis Shaw called it in the Elite Eight game between Michigan State and Iowa State in 2000. You could argue it cost ISU the game and the national championship. What you could NOT argue is that it's a legitimate call under the rules of basketball.

 

[hawkfan55]

The official who called blocking was on the right side, the one who called charging was on the left. They both made emphatic calls at the same time. Very strange indeed.