Big Ten Wrestling Pre-Seeds Announced
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Ouch Iowa got hosed on some seeds. Also Carr got hosed which in turn hurts Cobe
Lee 1
Teske 8
Woods 1
Murin 4
Siebrecht 5
Kennedy 3
Brands 7
Assad 5
Warner 5
Cass 3
Teske 8
Woods 1
Murin 4
Siebrecht 5
Kennedy 3
Brands 7
Assad 5
Warner 5
Cass 3
Who do you think got hosed for Iowa?
I think the order is pretty fair. Maybe an argument could be made for Teske and Warner being moved up one spot but other than that - you get what you have earned over the course of the year.
Really just Teske. Thought Assad had a chance at the 3 but not too upset about that one.
And edit to add: non Iowa guys that got hosed are Carr and Saldate
Iowa first round match ups
Lee gets a bye, gets winner of Brown (Maryland) and Peterson (Rutgers) in quarters
Teske gets Foley (Michigan St). Win and gets RBY
Woods gets a bye, gets winner of Filius (Purdue) and D’Emilio (Ohio St) in quarters
Murin gets Omania (Michigan St)
Siebrecht gets Gallagher (Ohio St)
Kennedy gets Martin Best (Maryland)
Brands gets Turley (Rutgers). Win and gets Labriola.
Assad gets Vanadia (Purdue)
Warner gets Davison (Northwestern)
Cassioppi gets Emerson (Nebraska)
Lee gets a bye, gets winner of Brown (Maryland) and Peterson (Rutgers) in quarters
Teske gets Foley (Michigan St). Win and gets RBY
Woods gets a bye, gets winner of Filius (Purdue) and D’Emilio (Ohio St) in quarters
Murin gets Omania (Michigan St)
Siebrecht gets Gallagher (Ohio St)
Kennedy gets Martin Best (Maryland)
Brands gets Turley (Rutgers). Win and gets Labriola.
Assad gets Vanadia (Purdue)
Warner gets Davison (Northwestern)
Cassioppi gets Emerson (Nebraska)
Presuming the seeds hold:
Murin is hurt by Sasso getting seeded over Gomez, given Gomez' injury status. Unless Gomez is fine, then it doesn't matter much, but Murin is more likely (see: not likely) to beat Sasso than healthyish Gomez
Reverse that for Kennedy, who gets put into the semi bracket w/ a potentially injured Amine. If Amine is still hurt and/or forfeiting out after the quarters, Patrick Kennedy has a great shot to be a finalist. EDIT: I should also have said i think it's entirely possible that Kennedy beats a healthy Amine, anyway.
Siebrecht in a tough spot with an ascending Paddy Gallagher as opposed to...whatever is happening to Brayton Lee. It's odd to see Siebrecht at the 5, I thought his best case was the 6 given the loss to Mikey Carr.
Warner with a gift of a 5 seed. Caffey is a tough wrestler for a quarterfinal, but with Warner's season, can't really ask for much more than that, and it's a good stylistic matchup for Warner, historically.
Everything else about where you would anticipate.
Murin is hurt by Sasso getting seeded over Gomez, given Gomez' injury status. Unless Gomez is fine, then it doesn't matter much, but Murin is more likely (see: not likely) to beat Sasso than healthyish Gomez
Reverse that for Kennedy, who gets put into the semi bracket w/ a potentially injured Amine. If Amine is still hurt and/or forfeiting out after the quarters, Patrick Kennedy has a great shot to be a finalist. EDIT: I should also have said i think it's entirely possible that Kennedy beats a healthy Amine, anyway.
Siebrecht in a tough spot with an ascending Paddy Gallagher as opposed to...whatever is happening to Brayton Lee. It's odd to see Siebrecht at the 5, I thought his best case was the 6 given the loss to Mikey Carr.
Warner with a gift of a 5 seed. Caffey is a tough wrestler for a quarterfinal, but with Warner's season, can't really ask for much more than that, and it's a good stylistic matchup for Warner, historically.
Everything else about where you would anticipate.
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Not really hosed, except Teske, but several would have been better off being 6 seed instead of 4 or 5. A few it doesn't matter because 1 and 2 aren't much different. others it makes a big difference. Some where 6 gets through the quarters easier than 5, just on match-ups, not necessarily because 4 is a better wrestler than 3, just a bad match-up. Almost none where 1 is easier in the semis than 2.
If seeds hold here is how the points would be. Iowa is on a 2nd place island by themselves.
| Place | 125 | 133 | 141 | 149 | 157 | 165 | 174 | 184 | 197 | 285 | PTS | |
| 1st | Penn State | 0 | 19 | 15 | 9 | 15 | 11.5 | 19 | 19 | 19 | 15 | 141.5 |
| 2nd | Iowa | 19 | 4.5 | 19 | 11.5 | 9 | 12.5 | 5.5 | 9 | 9 | 12.5 | 111.5 |
| 3rd | Ohio St. | 5.5 | 15 | 0.5 | 19 | 0 | 9 | 12.5 | 15 | 5.5 | 5.5 | 87.5 |
| 4th | Nebraska | 15 | 0 | 12.5 | 0 | 19 | 0.5 | 15 | 5.5 | 15 | 0.5 | 83 |
| 5th | Northwestern | 8 | 11.5 | 11.5 | 12.5 | 4.5 | 5.5 | 4.5 | 0 | 0 | 11.5 | 69.5 |
| 6th | Michigan | 0.5 | 9 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 8 | 15 | 0.5 | 11.5 | 0 | 19 | 64.5 |
| 7th | Minnesota | 11.5 | 8 | 9 | 8 | 0 | 0.5 | 11.5 | 12.5 | 0.5 | 0 | 61.5 |
| 8th | Wisconsin | 9 | 0.5 | 0 | 15 | 0.5 | 19 | 0 | 0.5 | 4.5 | 9 | 58 |
| 9th | Illinois | 0 | 12.5 | 8 | 0 | 5.5 | 4.5 | 9 | 0.5 | 12.5 | 0 | 52.5 |
| 10th | Michigan St. | 0 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | 11.5 | 8 | 0 | 8 | 11.5 | 0 | 39.5 |
| 11th | Purdue | 12.5 | 0 | 4.5 | 0 | 12.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 29.5 |
| 12th | Rutgers | 0.5 | 5.5 | 5.5 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | 4.5 | 0 | 8 | 25 |
| 13th | Indiana | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.5 | 0.5 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0.5 | 4.5 | 19 |
| 14th | Maryland | 4.5 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0.5 | 17.5 |
Usually not much changes but I feel like at least 1 is changed every year. It’s usually somebody that’s already a double digit seed getting moved up or down though.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe if they all wrestle to at least their seed they will be in the NCAA's. At least the automatic placement, anyway.
Brody. Sucks to have RBY in the quarters. Easily could have gotten the 7 or even the 6. Brody gonna have to wrestle his butt off on the backside. Has a great shot vs guys like Cannon, Ragusin and Nagao. Mendez has looked great lately and I don’t know if Teske has the firepower to beat Byrd. I think his ceiling is 4th. Also no picnic having Foley round 2.
You are spot on with this (especially 149 and 165). I would much rather see Teske as the 7 and Warner and Cobe as 6's. Other than that, seems good to me. Wanting those 3 as those seeds is only to make their path to the semis better matchups for them imo, not that they aren't deserving of what they were pre-seeded at. Iowa should finish top 5 at every weight if they wrestle well. Now we will see if the Hawks wrestle well! Can't wait for Friday.
Teske didn’t get the chance to wrestle Raugsin or Nagao. Heilman the #7 didn’t get to wrestle RBY or Burwick of Neb.
I thought Teske would be 6 or 7. He’ll have more work to do on the consolation side. If there are any upsets on the bottom side, he could get hurt by our inability to submit his name for a pre-allocation.
Teske wrestled only 1 guy seeded above him, RBY. Where exactly you gonna seed a guy who was 0-1 against higher seeded wrestlers?
It's an unfortunate seeding for him, and it sucks that he didn't get those matches against MN and mich, but he didn't necessarily get screwed.
Because they both ducked him. They weren't (well, Nagao might have) missing other meets, they (Mich. and Minn.) just chose not to put them out there for this very purpose (seed protection).
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Teske didn't wrestle against illini or NW. You are what your record says you are.
Which is 5-1 in big ten duals and only loss to 1 seed.
And he’s below Ill and NW. But should he be below Minny and Mich as well, who didn’t wrestle against Iowa? That’s the issue.
I was shocked Nagao got the 6 seed while missing like 4 of the last 5 duals. I’m guessing that the rationale was quality of wins? Nagao’s highest is Foley while Teske’s is probably Burwick or Lamont? Idk.
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B1G info. Still trying to figure out how you get to watch all the matches? I assume B1G plus, but can you also do it on FOX sports?
Teske for sure but honestly what hurts more is Gomez getting the 2 instead of the 1. If Gomez gets the 1 there’s a very good chance at Murin making the finals.
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B1G info. Still trying to figure out how you get to watch all the matches? I assume B1G plus, but can you also do it on FOX sports?
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B1G info. Still trying to figure out how you get to watch all the matches? I assume B1G plus, but can you also do it on FOX sports?
- BTN will have traditional broadcast of the entire session (featured matches plus some multi-mat views, aka the "quad box")
- B1G+ will have individual mat streams as well as the quad box
- BTN will have exclusive coverage of semifinals beginning at 6:30 CT
- B1G+ will have individual mat streams and quad box for consolation matches
- B1G+ will have individual mat streams and quad box
- BTN will have exclusive coverage of the finals
The stuff that is on BTN (Session I, semis, finals) can be viewed in the FOX Sports App or anywhere else you can access BTN via your TV provider.
Anything on B1G+ can be viewed in the B1G+ app or in a web browser (https://www.bigtenplus.com/).
Yeah, he's seeded ahead of the 5 tomato cans he wrestled, at least 2 of which were backups.
Strange hill for you to die on. There are 13 other teams in the big ten and only 8 duals so schedules aren’t equal anyways. In Iowa’s 8 duals Teske went 5-1. Yes he didn’t wrestle against Ill and NW (the 3&4 seeds) and he is appropriately seeded behind them. But he made the walk in the other 6 matches and he can’t control who the other team puts out there. If he’s being punished for not wrestling against them then why are Mich and Minn (the 5&6 seeds) not being punished for missing Iowa duals and other matches (at least for Minn)? It’s not consistent. And his resume is better than the 5,6,7 seeds with his 5-1 big ten record.
It's not inconsistent. When they all sat out, somebody has to be seeded ahead. They went with the guys who have good wins this year over Teske, who hasn't beaten anybody. All three of those guys (Ragusin, Nagao, Heilmann) have over twice the amount of matches as Teske this year. You reward the wins and the matches.
This is just the big tens. Out of conference wins don’t matter. Teske best win is the 10 seed. Ragusin best win is against the 7 seed 2-0 and has a loss to the 9 seed maj 12-4. Nagao best win is the 9 seed 9-4. Heilman best win is the 9 seed and didn’t wrestle RBY. Otherwise they all have the same wins as Teske. Honestly the theoretical best win of the group is Foley the 9 seed majoring the 5 seed. I’m just not seeing all these better wins you’re talking about.
He had staph in his knee, a legit reason not to wrestle.
Exactly
Yep
He can't control who dodges him. He beat the guys Minnesota and Michigan put on the mat. He also can't control what teams the B1G schedules.
Totally agree
Teske should have been 6 at worst.
I wonder if the pre-seeding of Teske took into consideration that his name wasn't submitted for the pre-allocation.
You just pointed out that all 3 have better wins than him within the big ten. What's the confusion? They had to pick somebody.
Heilmann didn’t beat anyone above his seed either. He lost to most of them (losses to Byrd, Cannon, Mendez and Ragusin. He didn’t wrestle RBY (PSU threw out their back up) and Rutgers didn’t compete against Minnesota this year. Probably wouldn’t have mattered cause I don’t think Brody woulvr beat Byrd or Mendez to get to the finals. Hope he can go on a run on the back side.
Walk on the mat, wrestle the guy in front of you, beat him. I bet that is the way the Hawk wrestlers look at it. And want it. TNT too. Piss on the seeding, on who is who. Beat the guy you wrestle. I know easier said than done many times. But it all boils down to that.
I honestly don’t like the seed that Teske got and it’s a bit frustrating but I got him getting 4th anyway. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me mainly due to 149 Sasso getting the 1 really hurts any chance that Murin has at the finals.
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