Bakari E & A Ulis

[perryhawk]

I am going to call this a musing....not as strong as an opinion, but a distant observation...open to anyone's disagreement or observations.

It appears that PHYSICALLY these two might be pretty similar. I think that they are about the same size and about the same build. I'm a little less certain, but think that they might be similar athletically, in that they are good athletes, but not great.

I would also say that it appears to me that Ulis might have more skill than Bakari......he appears to have a tighter handle and a more refined offensive game. That said, I realize that I am watching one of them against HS competition and the other against major D1 competition.

I am wide open to differing observations....I'm just trying to get a feel for what this incoming freshman will be like and don't intend to offend anyone's sensibilities by this conjecture.

 

[BBHawk]

Well the hair alone will make it confusing for opponents next year...

 

[hooper56]

Bakari is pretty strong. I doubt Ulis will match that as a freshman.

 

[cleotishaywood]

We had no idea on what Evelyn was going to bring to the table and we have seen that he can have some good moments but has not had a performance like he had against Cincinnati since then. He tends to play rather tentatively and does not look like he wants to try to create to get his own shot. His outside shot hasn't been falling either.

The videos of Ulis shows he is wanting to create and can step out and hit the outside shot. He looks more like a PG and seems to have better handles. We won't know until he steps on the floor here how he is going to contribute but I would imagine that he's going to want to prove that there is more than one ULIS who can play ball! He may have moments next year similar to Joe T. where he may try to do too much but that's to be expected. Evelyn has just one year in the system where Ulis will have 4.

 

[Legend12]

Well the hair alone will make it confusing for opponents next year...

How so?

 

[JRingo]

I strongly agree that the competition makes the comparison tough. But, Marion Central played against a Bloom team Saturday that had D1 talent in their first 8. They referred to Ulis as a "great point guard" and admittedly alternated three defenders on him. And those three got double team help. Still, Bakari was facing a legitimate Top 15 team with excellent guard talent.

My uneducated thought is that Ahron will be more a "north/south" player. And, I saw things that gave me the impression that he's seeing the game a pass or two in the future (like Nicholas Baer did). Iowa looks to be creating a backcourt of players who are good. And smart.

 

[Rifler]

So OP thinks Ulis as a high school senior appears to be equal to Evelyn as a college grad transfer?,... If true, I'm good with that...

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

How so?

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Bakari is pretty strong. I doubt Ulis will match that as a freshman.

at what?

 

[ICWestfan]

at what?

At handling the rigors of a 32 game schedule against D1 athletes?

 

[hooper56]

at what?

His mussels!

 

[BBHawk]

His mussels!

Clams?

 

[perryhawk]

At handling the rigors of a 32 game schedule against D1 athletes?

With the minutes Ulis would play I doubt that is a problem. I honestly would love to see a number of them redshirt and spend the year working hard in the weight room and learning the system, working on skills, etc.

 

[owenhawk]

With the minutes Ulis would play I doubt that is a problem. I honestly would love to see a number of them redshirt and spend the year working hard in the weight room and learning the system, working on skills, etc.

Agreed. My hope is they all redshirt unless 1-2 of them really stand out in practice and deserve to be in the Top 8 of rotation. Assuming everyone is back and the 3 guys out with injury are back and healthy, that’s 8 strong right there. And that’s assuming Pemsl and Till might move on - if they don’t, I’d be fine with them playing as 9th and 10th men in spot minutes whenever needed. Then get the 5 newcomers redshirted and exposure to college life.

I realize it probably won’t happen that way but would be ideal.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Jordan will consume far more minutes next season than Bakari this season. Where do Ulis and Perkins get PT? Put another way, who do you want to see on the bench, one of the two untested freshmen or CJ, Joe T and Jordan?

The redshirts were good for CMac, the Baer and CJ. Don't think those two freshmen should play next year. I'd like to see the whole class redshirt. Nunge can do what Kreiner is doing, and we add PMac and Jordan. Don't see much PT for the freshmen.

Like to see a short bench during most competitive games. It would sure give us an old team in a couple of seasons, but that's not a bad outcome.

 

[chuck285]

We'll most likely need more help from the big guy coming in, more so than the new guards??

 

[TheCDiggity]

I am going to call this a musing....not as strong as an opinion, but a distant observation...open to anyone's disagreement or observations.

It appears that PHYSICALLY these two might be pretty similar. I think that they are about the same size and about the same build. I'm a little less certain, but think that they might be similar athletically, in that they are good athletes, but not great.

I would also say that it appears to me that Ulis might have more skill than Bakari......he appears to have a tighter handle and a more refined offensive game. That said, I realize that I am watching one of them against HS competition and the other against major D1 competition.

I am wide open to differing observations....I'm just trying to get a feel for what this incoming freshman will be like and don't intend to offend anyone's sensibilities by this conjecture.

See if you can find bakari high school vids. See what he looked like in hs. No idea what bakari was like in hs.

 

[BBHawk]

We'll most likely need more help from the big guy coming in, more so than the new guards??

Ogundele needs the redshirt the most, IMHO. He has potential but he is still growing. I remember when Olaseni finally seemed to hit his stride as a senior how we all thought how great it would have been to have him another year. Well, McC has the opportunity to get it right this time.

 

[perryhawk]

Ogundele needs the redshirt the most, IMHO. He has potential but he is still growing. I remember when Olaseni finally seemed to hit his stride as a senior how we all thought how great it would have been to have him another year. Well, McC has the opportunity to get it right this time.

I pretty much agree with this except.....it's not just McC's call....Ogundele would have to buy in and that's no guarantee.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Jordan will consume far more minutes next season than Bakari this season. Where do Ulis and Perkins get PT? Put another way, who do you want to see on the bench, one of the two untested freshmen or CJ, Joe T and Jordan?

The redshirts were good for CMac, the Baer and CJ. Don't think those two freshmen should play next year. I'd like to see the whole class redshirt. Nunge can do what Kreiner is doing, and we add PMac and Jordan. Don't see much PT for the freshmen.

Like to see a short bench during most competitive games. It would sure give us an old team in a couple of seasons, but that's not a bad outcome.

Ulis reminds me of a combination of Magic and Jordan

 

[Jizzer]

I pretty much agree with this except.....it's not just McC's call....Ogundele would have to buy in and that's no guarantee.

I also wouldn't mind Ogundele getting his feet wet a little bit as he would be relied on the year after, pretty heavily.

 

[IamHawkeye]

Ulis reminds me of a combination of Magic and Jordan

Which Jordan?

 

[BBHawk]

Ulis reminds me of a combination of Magic and Jordan

Which Jordan?

And which Magic? White Magic?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I am glad Fran got Bakari to transfer in, because we would be hurting for any depth on the perimeter without him. I wish he were a more confident shooter, but the rest of his game is solid.

Next year is very promising. If everyone is back and healthy, I hope at least 2 of the freshmen redshirt, whichever guard is less ready to play and one of the twins. If PMac is back and healthy, maybe both twins. I would not redshirt Big O, unless he just isn't ready for a few minutes (assuming Pemsl either leaves or never regains what he has lost from injury).

 

[Ronman]

I just don't see any situation, excluding a major injury, that would necessitate the separation of the Murray twins from the same class.

 

[hawkeyekid]

Which Jordan?

Montell

 

[BirdistheWord]

Montell

 

[BirdistheWord]

I strongly agree that the competition makes the comparison tough. But, Marion Central played against a Bloom team Saturday that had D1 talent in their first 8. They referred to Ulis as a "great point guard" and admittedly alternated three defenders on him. And those three got double team help. Still, Bakari was facing a legitimate Top 15 team with excellent guard talent.

My uneducated thought is that Ahron will be more a "north/south" player. And, I saw things that gave me the impression that he's seeing the game a pass or two in the future (like Nicholas Baer did). Iowa looks to be creating a backcourt of players who are good. And smart.

South Suburban hoops is very competitive. I am biased as I am from Flossmoor. One nitpick, Ulis plays for Marian Catholic in Chicago Heights, not Marian Central Catholic (Woodstock?). I am sure a common oversight.

 

[lonesomedove]

Jordan will consume far more minutes next season than Bakari this season. Where do Ulis and Perkins get PT? Put another way, who do you want to see on the bench, one of the two untested freshmen or CJ, Joe T and Jordan?

The redshirts were good for CMac, the Baer and CJ. Don't think those two freshmen should play next year. I'd like to see the whole class redshirt. Nunge can do what Kreiner is doing, and we add PMac and Jordan. Don't see much PT for the freshmen.

Like to see a short bench during most competitive games. It would sure give us an old team in a couple of seasons, but that's not a bad outcome.

How would you have any idea if “those two freshmen” should play next year. Let’s see what they can do and let Fran and staff decide. I don’t know either, but I have some close friends who have seen Perkins play multiple times over the last two years and they are big Iowa fans. They compared his athleticism to Ricky Davis and Roy Marble. If that’s even close, they’ll find minutes for him.

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

Which Jordan?

Michael B.


The actor.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

How would you have any idea if “those two freshmen” should play next year. Let’s see what they can do and let Fran and staff decide. I don’t know either, but I have some close friends who have seen Perkins play multiple times over the last two years and they are big Iowa fans. They compared his athleticism to Ricky Davis and Roy Marble. If that’s even close, they’ll find minutes for him.

Well I don't actually "know" as in certain. Gotta say I didn't think anyone would think I was speaking of known results of a future event. I'd be killing it as a broker or a gambler (is there a difference) if I could actually know the future.

Of course there are optimistic scenarios, and believe me I hope one of the freshmen guards explodes, but sitting here today Iowa returns both starting guards and gets its three year starter at PG who also is the best 3 point shooter in school history and hits 90% at the line.

Plus, I hope F Mac has learned that a tight rotation is better. Barring injuries or some other odd disaster I really hope not to see anyone but the 5 current starters, P Mac, Jordan and Nunge on the floor-and little of Nunge. Maybe Cordell to lay some lumber for a few minutes. After that, walk on kids in blow outs.

While I don't know with certainty, I'm pretty confident in stating, in my opinion, Perkins and Ulis are light years behind the three returning guards. Two of Jordan, Joe T, and CJ should be on the floor in every meaningful minute of every game.

 

[HawkeyeNYC]

With the minutes Ulis would play I doubt that is a problem. I honestly would love to see a number of them redshirt and spend the year working hard in the weight room and learning the system, working on skills, etc.

My problem with this is that multiple redshirts freeze multiple years of eligibility and delay the opening of the scholarships for new players in the future, and it doesn't make sense if the players don't develop to be major contributors. I say let them compete to play or sit, and redshirt very sparingly. Keep the clock running. There are new players to recruit every year.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I am going to call this a musing....not as strong as an opinion, but a distant observation...open to anyone's disagreement or observations.

It appears that PHYSICALLY these two might be pretty similar. I think that they are about the same size and about the same build. I'm a little less certain, but think that they might be similar athletically, in that they are good athletes, but not great.

I would also say that it appears to me that Ulis might have more skill than Bakari......he appears to have a tighter handle and a more refined offensive game. That said, I realize that I am watching one of them against HS competition and the other against major D1 competition.

I am wide open to differing observations....I'm just trying to get a feel for what this incoming freshman will be like and don't intend to offend anyone's sensibilities by this conjecture.

If Ulis isn't a lot better than Bakari, Fran has made a huge mistake. I think it is a very safe bet Ulis right now is much better than Bakari. Nice to have an extra body given the injuries, but Evelyn offers little beyond that. It was a good move by Fran to get some insurance against Jbo not being able to play, but Bakari's lack of offense is detrimental to the team. I guess he is a better option than Ash.

 

[kceasthawk]

I just don't see any situation, excluding a major injury, that would necessitate the separation of the Murray twins from the same class.

I've been saying that since they committed, with many folks standing with an opposing view. Just don't see the twins or Kenyon for that matter wanting them in two separate classes.

 

[kceasthawk]

My problem with this is that multiple redshirts freeze multiple years of eligibility and delay the opening of the scholarships for new players in the future, and it doesn't make sense if the players don't develop to be major contributors. I say let them compete to play or sit, and redshirt very sparingly. Keep the clock running. There are new players to recruit every year.

Exactly. Save the shirt if its needed for an injury. Most of these guys don't want to be in school five years anyway. Its the coaches job to recruit better talent over the current players, and let the best players earn PT, not to stockpile five players in a class, and then have a year when he can't sign anyone even if he wanted too.....

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

There are a lot of factors to consider in this strange situation.

Our collective sentiments on PT do all bespeak a very good statement about the program. Iowa has enough talent on the roster that some possibly pretty freshmen are not going to see much time. Iowa is a program that relies on getting good players and making them better, bigger and more effective ballers.

 

[perryhawk]

If Ulis isn't a lot better than Bakari, Fran has made a huge mistake. I think it is a very safe bet Ulis right now is much better than Bakari. Nice to have an extra body given the injuries, but Evelyn offers little beyond that. It was a good move by Fran to get some insurance against Jbo not being able to play, but Bakari's lack of offense is detrimental to the team. I guess he is a better option than Ash.

Yeah, I think Ulis is a lot better....but the size and athleticism is the main comparison that I want to make.

I think Ulis is more skilled and plays much more under control....I think he will be a very good guard for the Hawks and apparently has a very good work ethic. That said, I can never tell for sure until they get on the floor against major D1 competition in a real game.

 

[TJHawkeye]

The Murray twins are both very good rebounders against very good competition. Both can shoot and defend (Kenyon's sons would have to). If Patrick can't come back, I don't think either of them redshirts.

 

[Rifler]

The Murray twins are both very good rebounders against very good competition. Both can shoot and defend (Kenyon's sons would have to). If Patrick can't come back, I don't think either of them redshirts.

After going through what is basically a self imposed "red shirt" season at DME I would be surprised if the twins would be excited about red shirting their first season at Iowa,.. I suspect we have a long bench next year.

 

[TJHawkeye]

Murray twins stats this year. Keegan 21.8 PPG 7.3 RPG 2.0 APG 0.8 Stl. Kris 17.7 PPG 10.4 RPG 2.2 APG 1.9 STL. Pretty good since they play teams made up of mostly D1 talent. Fran is going to have a real job on his hands dispensing out minutes, especially with JBo coming back.