I would be shocked if an unranked recruit with no major offers out of high school outplayed a RS Jr. who started 96 games at a school, yes.
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I would be shocked if an unranked recruit with no major offers out of high school outplayed a RS Jr. who started 96 games at a school, yes.
It's realistic to think that, but that's not what happened, no matter what hawkfrannut1 says.
At this point, neither one of you have proven that either of you has any sort of first hand knowledge.
Not to mention coming off of injury. Highly unlikely.
Obviously, we won’t know for sure until we see Frederick play. You could be right.
But there are a couple flaws in your reasoning. Frederick was ranked higher then Moss and had more reported major offers. Also, Moss might have started but a lot of Iowa fans have been asking for 3 years for an upgrade at that position and for Fran to find a better option to start at SG. I don’t believe it takes a lot to provide a better all-around game then Moss provided for most of his 96 starts. I’m not expecting Frederick to be All-Big Ten. If he’s an 8-10 point a game guy who can handle the ball and distribute better then Moss while playing consistent solid Defense, that already is an upgrade.
I believe he had Butler, Xavier, Indiana, Neb, PSU, Mich among others from what I read. He also committed with out having a scholly shows his commitment to the coaching staff.
All of that is possible. My opinion is that you're underrating Moss and overrating the ability of somebody who has never played. Just my opinion though obviously, and I'll readily admit I don't expect much from anybody who hasn't played yet.
It’s possible I’m underrating Moss but I don’t think so. I’ve watched every game he has played in. I’m sure he’s a great kid and all that, I just don’t think he was a very good player and that is after watching him for 100 games. Especially not good enough to be a Big Ten Starting SG. I see a number of fans on here disparage Fran and staff for being mediocre and not getting Iowa to the next level ... but then some of those same people bemoan the loss of a player like Moss, who I would argue was a main reason Iowa couldn’t get to that next level. He was the weak link in the starting line-up last year and it’s hard to beat really good teams when your starting SG disappears on a regular basis and is pretty much a one trick pony.
That being said, you are right there is not any proof at this point that Iowa has an upgrade on the roster. That will be seen. If they don’t, that is big fail in my eyes by Fran because in my opinion, it shouldn’t be that hard to replace Moss. And I’m not really overrating Frederick ... I’m not even rating him. I am just going by what some people have claimed with inside knowledge and because I don’t think Moss was a particularly strong player, I do think it’s realistic that Frederick could be better.
I think CJ was unrated on ESPN. Its one of their Iowa disses, hard to imagine no contributors were at the Kentucky state tournament if not at other games in the Cincinnati area. One of the down sides of ESPN's recruiting service.
One of the few things that are about as accurate as they can be without official confirmation; CJ's redshirt was caused by having multiple broken ribs and a concussion arising from taking a charge from TC. I like the kid because he was willing to take a charge from TC at full gallop; there's probably a 60-70 pound difference and Tyler can haul ass at full speed. Remember F=VM2.
Pretty tough to see a scenario where a three year starter with a RS year in the program would be superseded by a RS freshman. Not hard to see a scenario where a much more consistent player would vulture minutes. Isaiah was a good player for us; not great, not even outstanding, but a good player.
CJ is a freshman. He might be a better player than Isaiah but there's still the "freshman" on the floor. That means a probable wall will appear around the end of January; the gobslappingly stupid defensive mistake resulting in posterization; being pushed, shoved and held by Sparty and the Boilers (and a few others) in a way no freshman has ever seen, etc.... We shouldn't understate the significance of Isaiah's loss, although signing Bakari certainly reduces the risk at that position.
One of the few things that are about as accurate as they can be without official confirmation; CJ's redshirt was caused by having multiple broken ribs and a concussion arising from taking a charge from TC. I like the kid because he was willing to take a charge from TC at full gallop; there's probably a 60-70 pound difference and Tyler can haul ass at full speed. Remember F=VM2.
Pretty tough to see a scenario where a three year starter with a RS year in the program would be superseded by a RS freshman. Not hard to see a scenario where a much more consistent player would vulture minutes. Isaiah was a good player for us; not great, not even outstanding, but a good player.
CJ is a freshman. He might be a better player than Isaiah but there's still the "freshman" on the floor. That means a probable wall will appear around the end of January; the gobslappingly stupid defensive mistake resulting in posterization; being pushed, shoved and held by Sparty and the Boilers (and a few others) in a way no freshman has ever seen, etc.... We shouldn't understate the significance of Isaiah's loss, although signing Bakari certainly reduces the risk at that position.
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Oh boy! Mich among others, huh... lol! I’m not even gonna be mad at your love for CJ.. that HS state title game you saw musta been something magical cuz you will go down swinging for CJ! GO HAWKS, man oh man I hope he’s everything you say he is & more.
What am I swinging on bro just naming schools I read when he signed if I’m off a school I was going on memory. not sure why your hate bro. I love all the Hawks. But after seeing him I’m rooting for the underdog. That’s all. I been wrong before and could be again. Dude was good to my kids signed their program and hats. Super kind kid very classy.
I said I’m not gonna hate bro! Lol. I’m pulling for all the Hawks too, just like everyone else is, we all just show it differently. I’m excited to see what CJ can bring and I’m sure he’s a humble and classy young man. But until he hits the court during the season I’m not gonna just crown him a starter.. I’m hoping there is gonna to be some good competition in the back court. And from what i saw back there last year everyone coming in is going to have a chance to contribute, that includes Bakari and Joe T and CJ.
With all the usual caveats about freshmen assumed, I think CJF will be a good scorer for Iowa. I watched a lot of highlight film of guys last week. Some current recruits some older guys, when I could find it.
CJ's state tourney game films and his highlight reel are pretty impressive. At this point my best guess, FWIW, is CJ is a pretty good player and may be as high as third on the team in scoring. Certainly by sophomore season. I like the Whitey analogy-blew up senior year, got a little interest from some better programs at the end but no offer because he was already committed.
CJ is a better ball handler than Ogles, Brady or Isaiah at the same stage. A more creative scorer than all three. He has a nice touch around the rim-and he's 6'4" so its not like a little guy is taking it in. More left hand drives in the Kentucky State Tournament than the three above named Iowa players in their entire college careers. As long as expectations remain reasonable we might have a guard that scores around 10 a game, plays some heady ball and finds was to contribute to box score with 3-4 assists and a similar number of rebounds next season. I think he and Joey W are going to hit a lot of threes next season.
CJ's state tourney game films and his highlight reel are pretty impressive. At this point my best guess, FWIW, is CJ is a pretty good player and may be as high as third on the team in scoring. Certainly by sophomore season. I like the Whitey analogy-blew up senior year, got a little interest from some better programs at the end but no offer because he was already committed.
CJ is a better ball handler than Ogles, Brady or Isaiah at the same stage. A more creative scorer than all three. He has a nice touch around the rim-and he's 6'4" so its not like a little guy is taking it in. More left hand drives in the Kentucky State Tournament than the three above named Iowa players in their entire college careers. As long as expectations remain reasonable we might have a guard that scores around 10 a game, plays some heady ball and finds was to contribute to box score with 3-4 assists and a similar number of rebounds next season. I think he and Joey W are going to hit a lot of threes next season.
I like Bakari's athleticism in the video I've seen, and I really hope we see the 100% version. On offense I hope we got a wash in the Evelyn for Moss trade, or a slight downgrade. If you look at the Valpo stats, Bakari was a little loose with the ball, and not great at assists or rebounds. I'm hoping he's a more focused defensive player than Isaiah.
Since Fran has been at Iowa I think our success has been limited somewhat by the guard play, We haven't been consistently good at the 1-3. IMO we finally have the talent in the guard court to get to a higher level of play. The problem is most of them are underclassmen. One thing is sure. I'm more optimistic about next year because we signed Bakari.
Butler? Indiana? Michigan? Show me those articles that say those teams offered him, "dooche bag."
Here you go clown:
"Fredrick chose Iowa over offers from Xavier, Nebraska, Miami (OH), Ball State, and others."
No offer from indiana. No offer from butler. No offer from michigan. LOLOL. You bat 100% at being full of shit.
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https://247sports.com/Player/CJ-Fredrick-94494/TimelineEvents/
https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-basketball-2018-net-expands-with-c-j-fredrick-visit
Feb 17 IU OFFERS .... June 13 Visits Michigan......where I thought in one of Chad Leistikow articles he got an offer. So sorry my man.
https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-basketball-2018-net-expands-with-c-j-fredrick-visit
Feb 17 IU OFFERS .... June 13 Visits Michigan......where I thought in one of Chad Leistikow articles he got an offer. So sorry my man.
No butler offer, no michigan offer, and at the time of commitment no indiana offer. Like i said before, you're batting 100% at being wrong in all of your posts.
None of this matters at this point. We will soon see how his offers or lack of translate to his contributions on the court.
247 reported him with offers from Indiana and Penn St in addition to what you have above.
That's true: https://247sports.com/Player/CJ-Fredrick-94494/high-school-180633/
Looks like the troll has some splainin to do...
I already said he didn't have a committable offer from indiana when he committed to iowa. That comes straight from blair Sanderson's article. There's my "splainin."
So he was offerred by Indiana...hmm...some backtracking going on here...
Aren't all the losing offers really just rumors unless the offeror publicly discloses its offer? Don't know if CJ is one of the many kids that puff their offer list but I think a lot of kids, or their stage mom parents, puff their lists.
The offer list won't make any difference when the sneakers go on and lights come up. Well, maybe a little with the refs, eh?
The offer list won't make any difference when the sneakers go on and lights come up. Well, maybe a little with the refs, eh?
What do you not understand about didn't have a committable offer when he committed? Are you so dense you can't understand? Don't you need to get back to sniffing fran's panties and burying your head in the sand?
Moss only averaged 9 ppg. That's not a very big hole to fill. Oglesby stunk out loud and he averaged 6.4 ppg as a freshman.
I really dont know if CJF is more Matt Gatens than he is Oglesby/Ellingson. None of us know. I would assume CJF is not as good a player as moss right now. However, if CJF is halfway decent, its not outside the realm of reasonability that he can come close to matching Moss' average contribution to the team.
I really dont know if CJF is more Matt Gatens than he is Oglesby/Ellingson. None of us know. I would assume CJF is not as good a player as moss right now. However, if CJF is halfway decent, its not outside the realm of reasonability that he can come close to matching Moss' average contribution to the team.
It is silly to have this non-stop back and forth about how good a player is going to be, when we won't really know until they step on to the court as a D1 college player.
You're right, not the person claiming offers from michigan and butler, and Indiana pulled theirs.
Like i said, get back to sniffing Fran's panties.
You said he didn't have an IN offer and he did. Unlike you, I did not make any statements about him.
He had an Indiana offer for a short period of time. When he committed he did NOT have an indiana offer.
