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"I don't envision retiring any more jerseys or numbers in any sports, as I will soon be out of a job" - G. Barta
 
I can respect that.

But it still sounds like today's ceremony was subpar for Iowa's all-time leading scorer in what was probably his last time in Carver-Hawkeye Arena.
 
Barta aint making any friends today. Talking about putting good Hawkeye players up against the wall or making them part of the foundation.

He looked completely uncomfortable on the basketball court.

And I'm only half joking about the words he chooses. "This wall of honor concept"? It doesn't even sound like he believes in it.

McCaffery has the basketball program moving in the right direction...the Athletic Department had better decide to catch up before it becomes a bigger embarrassment.
 
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
 
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
 
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
I do not understand Iowa's logic in this. It's completely ridiculous... maybe the banners would distract people from watching the games or something? I Guess?
 
Marketing Iowa Basketball is terrible. It is getting more difficult as a fan to participate( except by paying more). Barta bettter take another look at how our Heroes are honored.
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Originally posted by like-woahh:
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
I do not understand Iowa's logic in this. It's completely ridiculous... maybe the banners would distract people from watching the games or something? I Guess?
i think the pictures of the all time greats, if nothing else, need to hang from Carver; there's a lot of history to celebrate and it should be on full display in CHA; since some of the players were from at least a generation ago, the years they played and key info should be visible, imo (example: Nelson: 2 time All American; Marble: All time Scoring Leader, 2,116)

Retired Jerseys / Numbers (quoting a not updated hawkeyesports.com)

10 Armstrong

B.J. Armstrong's jersey was retired in 1992.
Iowa's career assist leader, B.J. ranks third in career scoring and was a
two-time Hawkeye MVP. A first round draft choice of the Chicago Bulls
in 1989, B.J. played a vital role in Chicago's NBA titles in 1991 and
1992. Armstrong moved into Chicago's starting line-up in 1993 as the
Bulls won their third straight NBA title. Armstrong concluded his NBA
career with Chicago in 1999-00 and is a member of Chicago's
administrative staff. Armstrong is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.


21 Carl Cain
Carl was a 1956 first team all American and all Big
Ten for the Hawkeyes' national runners-up. A 1956 Olympian, Cain was
forced into a reserve role for the United States because of a back
injury. Carl was a two time Iowa MVP and finished his career with 1,054
points. Cain is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

12 Ronnie Lester
Ronnie is Iowa's fifth all time leading scorer with
1,675 points. Lester started 3 1/2 seasons before a knee injury
shortened his senior season. He was the Hawkeyes' MVP three times, an
all-Big Ten selection twice and an all-American in 1979-1980. He played
in the NBA for Chicago and Los Angeles. Ronnie won a World
Championship with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1985 and currently serves as
vice-president of the Laker organization. Lester is a member of Iowa's
all-Century team.

31 Bill Logan
Bill, a member of the Hawkeyes' 1,000 point Club,
topped the squad in scoring three times. A two time all Big Ten
selection, Logan was second team all America in 1956 according to Helms
and Converse Taylor. Bill helped Iowa to a second place Big Ten finish
as a sophomore and consecutive Final Four appearances his last two
seasons. Logan is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

46 Sharm Scheuerman

Sharm made his mark at Iowa as an athlete and
coach. He started on the "Fabulous Five" basketball team and lettered
three times in basketball and baseball. After graduation in 1956, Sharm
returned to coach his alma mater in 1959. His 1961 club finished 18-6

33 Bill Schoof

Bill played forward on the "Fabulous Five" team
and scored 6.3 points per game. A three year letterman, Schoof was a
starter on Iowa's 1955 and 1956 Final Four teams. In those two seasons
he helped the Hawkeyes to a record of 39-13.

22 Bill Seaberg

Bill was a starting guard on the "Fabulous Five"
team that ended up as the NCAA runner up in 1956. He was third team
all-America by Helms and the Hawkeyes' MVP in 1955, when he averaged 13
points. Seaberg is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

41 Greg Stokes

Greg, a three year starter in the pivot, is the
school's third all time career scorer (1,768 points). Greg owns the
school record for field goal percentage in a game (1.000, 11 of 11).
After an all Big Ten senior season (19.9 scoring norm), Greg was
selected in the 1985 NBA draft by Philadelphia. Stokes is a member of
Iowa's all-Century team.

40 Chris Street

Chris Street's number was retired following his
untimely death in 1993. Street died in an auto accident 15 games into
his junior season. A fixture in Iowa's starting line-up since midway
through his freshman season, Street was averaging 14.5 points and 9.5
rebounds per contest through 15 games and had recently earned MVP honors
at the San Juan Shootout. Chris established an Iowa record by making
34 consecutive free throws
 
I had the great pleasure of meeting Sharm Scheuerman in Denver a few years ago. He has since passed, but he was one hell of a nice guy. He sure loved the Hawkeyes.
 
Sharm did some good stuff as an Iowa player, just OK as a coach. Great guy maybe, but way down the list of who should have a number retired, IMO. Might be just as well to quit retiring numbers because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
 
Originally posted by Chewback:
Sharm did some good stuff as an Iowa player, just OK as a coach. Great guy maybe, but way down the list of who should have a number retired, IMO. Might be just as well to quit retiring numbers because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
agreed; there is no rhyme or reason; you would have thought that long ago the Athletic Dept would have created some sort of check list for retiring a # or jersey and then this check list would get passed on to the next AD
 
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by like-woahh:
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
I do not understand Iowa's logic in this. It's completely ridiculous... maybe the banners would distract people from watching the games or something? I Guess?
i think the pictures of the all time greats, if nothing else, need to hang from Carver; there's a lot of history to celebrate and it should be on full display in CHA; since some of the players were from at least a generation ago, the years they played and key info should be visible, imo (example: Nelson: 2 time All American; Marble: All time Scoring Leader, 2,116)

Retired Jerseys / Numbers (quoting a not updated hawkeyesports.com)

10 Armstrong

B.J. Armstrong's jersey was retired in 1992.
Iowa's career assist leader, B.J. ranks third in career scoring and was a
two-time Hawkeye MVP. A first round draft choice of the Chicago Bulls
in 1989, B.J. played a vital role in Chicago's NBA titles in 1991 and
1992. Armstrong moved into Chicago's starting line-up in 1993 as the
Bulls won their third straight NBA title. Armstrong concluded his NBA
career with Chicago in 1999-00 and is a member of Chicago's
administrative staff. Armstrong is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.


21 Carl Cain
Carl was a 1956 first team all American and all Big
Ten for the Hawkeyes' national runners-up. A 1956 Olympian, Cain was
forced into a reserve role for the United States because of a back
injury. Carl was a two time Iowa MVP and finished his career with 1,054
points. Cain is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

12 Ronnie Lester
Ronnie is Iowa's fifth all time leading scorer with
1,675 points. Lester started 3 1/2 seasons before a knee injury
shortened his senior season. He was the Hawkeyes' MVP three times, an
all-Big Ten selection twice and an all-American in 1979-1980. He played
in the NBA for Chicago and Los Angeles. Ronnie won a World
Championship with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1985 and currently serves as
vice-president of the Laker organization. Lester is a member of Iowa's
all-Century team.

31 Bill Logan
Bill, a member of the Hawkeyes' 1,000 point Club,
topped the squad in scoring three times. A two time all Big Ten
selection, Logan was second team all America in 1956 according to Helms
and Converse Taylor. Bill helped Iowa to a second place Big Ten finish
as a sophomore and consecutive Final Four appearances his last two
seasons. Logan is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

46 Sharm Scheuerman

Sharm made his mark at Iowa as an athlete and
coach. He started on the "Fabulous Five" basketball team and lettered
three times in basketball and baseball. After graduation in 1956, Sharm
returned to coach his alma mater in 1959. His 1961 club finished 18-6

33 Bill Schoof

Bill played forward on the "Fabulous Five" team
and scored 6.3 points per game. A three year letterman, Schoof was a
starter on Iowa's 1955 and 1956 Final Four teams. In those two seasons
he helped the Hawkeyes to a record of 39-13.

22 Bill Seaberg

Bill was a starting guard on the "Fabulous Five"
team that ended up as the NCAA runner up in 1956. He was third team
all-America by Helms and the Hawkeyes' MVP in 1955, when he averaged 13
points. Seaberg is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

41 Greg Stokes

Greg, a three year starter in the pivot, is the
school's third all time career scorer (1,768 points). Greg owns the
school record for field goal percentage in a game (1.000, 11 of 11).
After an all Big Ten senior season (19.9 scoring norm), Greg was
selected in the 1985 NBA draft by Philadelphia. Stokes is a member of
Iowa's all-Century team.

40 Chris Street

Chris Street's number was retired following his
untimely death in 1993. Street died in an auto accident 15 games into
his junior season. A fixture in Iowa's starting line-up since midway
through his freshman season, Street was averaging 14.5 points and 9.5
rebounds per contest through 15 games and had recently earned MVP honors
at the San Juan Shootout. Chris established an Iowa record by making
34 consecutive free throws
Exactly, these things add to the history, mystique, whatever you want to call it. You see those banners hanging and you want to be a part of that. I just understand why Iowa thinks they are going to reinvent the wheel in this regard. Major programs across the country do it because it's awesome. It's just bizarre.
 
Originally posted by like-woahh:
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by like-woahh:
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
I do not understand Iowa's logic in this. It's completely ridiculous... maybe the banners would distract people from watching the games or something? I Guess?
i think the pictures of the all time greats, if nothing else, need to hang from Carver; there's a lot of history to celebrate and it should be on full display in CHA; since some of the players were from at least a generation ago, the years they played and key info should be visible, imo (example: Nelson: 2 time All American; Marble: All time Scoring Leader, 2,116)

Retired Jerseys / Numbers (quoting a not updated hawkeyesports.com)

10 Armstrong

B.J. Armstrong's jersey was retired in 1992.
Iowa's career assist leader, B.J. ranks third in career scoring and was a
two-time Hawkeye MVP. A first round draft choice of the Chicago Bulls
in 1989, B.J. played a vital role in Chicago's NBA titles in 1991 and
1992. Armstrong moved into Chicago's starting line-up in 1993 as the
Bulls won their third straight NBA title. Armstrong concluded his NBA
career with Chicago in 1999-00 and is a member of Chicago's
administrative staff. Armstrong is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.


21 Carl Cain
Carl was a 1956 first team all American and all Big
Ten for the Hawkeyes' national runners-up. A 1956 Olympian, Cain was
forced into a reserve role for the United States because of a back
injury. Carl was a two time Iowa MVP and finished his career with 1,054
points. Cain is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

12 Ronnie Lester
Ronnie is Iowa's fifth all time leading scorer with
1,675 points. Lester started 3 1/2 seasons before a knee injury
shortened his senior season. He was the Hawkeyes' MVP three times, an
all-Big Ten selection twice and an all-American in 1979-1980. He played
in the NBA for Chicago and Los Angeles. Ronnie won a World
Championship with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1985 and currently serves as
vice-president of the Laker organization. Lester is a member of Iowa's
all-Century team.

31 Bill Logan
Bill, a member of the Hawkeyes' 1,000 point Club,
topped the squad in scoring three times. A two time all Big Ten
selection, Logan was second team all America in 1956 according to Helms
and Converse Taylor. Bill helped Iowa to a second place Big Ten finish
as a sophomore and consecutive Final Four appearances his last two
seasons. Logan is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

46 Sharm Scheuerman

Sharm made his mark at Iowa as an athlete and
coach. He started on the "Fabulous Five" basketball team and lettered
three times in basketball and baseball. After graduation in 1956, Sharm
returned to coach his alma mater in 1959. His 1961 club finished 18-6

33 Bill Schoof

Bill played forward on the "Fabulous Five" team
and scored 6.3 points per game. A three year letterman, Schoof was a
starter on Iowa's 1955 and 1956 Final Four teams. In those two seasons
he helped the Hawkeyes to a record of 39-13.

22 Bill Seaberg

Bill was a starting guard on the "Fabulous Five"
team that ended up as the NCAA runner up in 1956. He was third team
all-America by Helms and the Hawkeyes' MVP in 1955, when he averaged 13
points. Seaberg is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

41 Greg Stokes

Greg, a three year starter in the pivot, is the
school's third all time career scorer (1,768 points). Greg owns the
school record for field goal percentage in a game (1.000, 11 of 11).
After an all Big Ten senior season (19.9 scoring norm), Greg was
selected in the 1985 NBA draft by Philadelphia. Stokes is a member of
Iowa's all-Century team.

40 Chris Street

Chris Street's number was retired following his
untimely death in 1993. Street died in an auto accident 15 games into
his junior season. A fixture in Iowa's starting line-up since midway
through his freshman season, Street was averaging 14.5 points and 9.5
rebounds per contest through 15 games and had recently earned MVP honors
at the San Juan Shootout. Chris established an Iowa record by making
34 consecutive free throws
Exactly, these things add to the history, mystique, whatever you want to call it. You see those banners hanging and you want to be a part of that. I just understand why Iowa thinks they are going to reinvent the wheel in this regard. Major programs across the country do it because it's awesome. It's just bizarre.
Whoever was named on the all century team should have their portraits hanging from the rafters of CHA....just my opinion...
 
the not retiring #'s makes sense as you would run out of #'s but not retiring a players Jersey makes no sense.
 
Hawkeye2222 posted on 3/7/2015...


the not retiring #'s makes sense as you would run out of #'s but not retiring a players Jersey makes no sense


*I would think you would want as many numbers retired as possible-you could then list all of them in your posts along side their 40 times.
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Originally posted by 4th & 9 inches:

Hawkeye2222 posted on 3/7/2015...


the not retiring #'s makes sense as you would run out of #'s but not retiring a players Jersey makes no sense


*I would think you would want as many numbers retired as possible-you could then list all of them in your posts along side their 40 times.
laugh.r191677.gif
Haha that got a chuckle out of me
 
Lots of great points in this thread ad they all agree on one thing

Iowa's athletic dept sucks and is inept and has no clue what to do in just about any situation. From murdering fun and fan participation at games to playing dusty old ancient music no one wants to hear, to being in what seems like an ancient arena, to disrespecting legendary players, to showing zero initiative or common sense. I can see why recruits wouldn't want to come to Iowa if this is how they treat their great former players and Iowa fans who love their team.

This post was edited on 3/8 10:23 AM by IronFist1776
 
The hall if fame at Iowa is stupid. A popularity contest with lobbying rather than common sense.

Stupid
 
There should only be one number retired in CHA and that is #40.

Recognize players by hanging their jerseys.

The ceremony today was a joke.
 
Originally posted by CJ_Lucky:
There should only be one number retired in CHA and that is #40.

Recognize players by hanging their jerseys.

The ceremony today was a joke.
I kind of like that concept. I also think if they renovate again it would be great to put what is currently in the hall of fame building for bball in Carver. Create something fans can actually enjoy when they come for a game instead of driving off campus to a different building.

And the ceremony was pathetic. The cheerleaders got more floor time than Marble. How difficult is it to put together a video montage to introduce him? Would have been great to show the contribution, discuss his accomplishments, and then bring him out to the standing O while they raise the jersey to the rafters (I get they aren't retiring numbers, but you could make a ceremony of raising the jersey or portrait or something for these guys) and present him with a framed jersey. It just seemed so spur of the moment. I think Marble got less floor time than anyone.

As an aside, anybody else think it was odd there was no mention of White moving into second in scoring? Usually they announce it during the game. Nothing. I thought when he was walking over for his TV interview post game he was about to be recognized. Nothing. It was another missed opportunity. Building still full. Bring Marble back out and recognize the fact that the top two scorers in school history are both in the building!
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so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.
A shady guy? WTF? Roy has owned up, confronted, and by most accounts overcome most of his issues. Nobody is suggesting him for man/husband/father of the year. Was he a shady guy when you were cheering him on as he played for Iowa? He was honored today for his efforts on the court. Nothing more nothing less. Some, self included, beleive the University could have gone an extra yard or 2 and given him a little more. That high horse you are riding will surely one day buck you off. Good luck on the fall.
 
Originally posted by L. Wad...ldress:
so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.
Iowa fans suck? For wanting to actually honor the great players in Iowa history rather than go through the motions when it looks like the former players are on their death bed? Lol ok. Get over yourself. Were you actually there? Did you see how pitiful the "ceremony" was? If so, how do you think it was enough? Did Roy tag your daughter or something? Nobody with half a brain that was at that game will tell you what they did for the man seemed like anything other than an afterthought.
Posted from Rivals Mobile
 
I don't think most people care if they do a wall of honor or jerseys/numbers. It's the complete ineptitude in honoring a great hawkeye. Yes he was great. He had off the court issues but have owned up to them.

How hard was it to do a video montage of him. I could have gone on You tube searched Roy Marble and in 5 minutes had a better presentation then Iowa gave. Just another example of the athletic department screwing a golden opportunity up.
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L. Wade Childress posted on 3/7/2015...

so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.

*You ever make a mistake in your life? Are you dying of cancer?

Get over yourself, you condescending prick.
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.
and all u got is hiding behind an internet website...hiding...like a chicken shit...your dislike of Roy Marble is clear...

and then telling us we fricken suck...

come on little boy....grow up.
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
so our athletic department extends an olive branch to a shady guy while he is still alive, while making him the first inductee into a new wall of honor and bringing him some happiness as he is dying.

and our fans are bitching about not retiring his jersey.

Iowa fans fricking suck. get over yourself.
WTF???? How is someone having went through a tough time in their life "shady"? Who did he harm in his dark days? You??? Or himself??? He didn't burn down 100 orphanages and he didn't murder or harm anyone, he harmed himself. You're callousness, stupidity and support of the travesty/sham/mockery of a "ceremony" that the self embarrassing Iowa Athletic Dept tried to pass off of as "honoring" are what fricking sucks. Why don't you get over yr own self?
 
sorry, I tried to be nice by using the term "shady" instead of "drug addict, deadbeat dad, OWI machine".

of course I cheered for Marble growing up. I was in elementary school. my parents didn't like the fact that he was my idol. I didnt get it. i had met him multiple times. then I found out that he was a drug addict and not a great person. that was crushing as a kid.

it's dumb enough that parents choose sports figures for role models, so the least we could do as a university is honor only the guys who are worthy of our kids attention like BJ and Chris.
 
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by like-woahh:
Originally posted by OnceAhawk:
Originally posted by Gary-Waterloo:
I don't have a problem with choosing not to retire jerseys anymore but they should have been clear with that earlier in the week. This just looks bad. Also, you have to have a video program honoring him.
Marble is part of the all Century team; shouldn't all of those player's pictures/numbers be hanging from CHA's rafters?

Another player forgotten is Don Nelson.

why the hell isn't his # retired?

he graduated in 2012 from Iowa (finally)

he was a two-time All-American at Iowa

he scored 1,522 in his 3 yrs (1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)

If he played 134 games like Roy Marble, he would have had 2,840 points

The Celtics retired his No. 19 jersey in 1978. Iowa has yet to retire his No. 15

Nelson is known for the 1,355 coaching wins during 31 seasons as an NBA coach

he is a member of the NBA Hall of Fame

he is a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame
I do not understand Iowa's logic in this. It's completely ridiculous... maybe the banners would distract people from watching the games or something? I Guess?
i think the pictures of the all time greats, if nothing else, need to hang from Carver; there's a lot of history to celebrate and it should be on full display in CHA; since some of the players were from at least a generation ago, the years they played and key info should be visible, imo (example: Nelson: 2 time All American; Marble: All time Scoring Leader, 2,116)

Retired Jerseys / Numbers (quoting a not updated hawkeyesports.com)

10 Armstrong

B.J. Armstrong's jersey was retired in 1992.
Iowa's career assist leader, B.J. ranks third in career scoring and was a
two-time Hawkeye MVP. A first round draft choice of the Chicago Bulls
in 1989, B.J. played a vital role in Chicago's NBA titles in 1991 and
1992. Armstrong moved into Chicago's starting line-up in 1993 as the
Bulls won their third straight NBA title. Armstrong concluded his NBA
career with Chicago in 1999-00 and is a member of Chicago's
administrative staff. Armstrong is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.


21 Carl Cain
Carl was a 1956 first team all American and all Big
Ten for the Hawkeyes' national runners-up. A 1956 Olympian, Cain was
forced into a reserve role for the United States because of a back
injury. Carl was a two time Iowa MVP and finished his career with 1,054
points. Cain is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

12 Ronnie Lester
Ronnie is Iowa's fifth all time leading scorer with
1,675 points. Lester started 3 1/2 seasons before a knee injury
shortened his senior season. He was the Hawkeyes' MVP three times, an
all-Big Ten selection twice and an all-American in 1979-1980. He played
in the NBA for Chicago and Los Angeles. Ronnie won a World
Championship with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1985 and currently serves as
vice-president of the Laker organization. Lester is a member of Iowa's
all-Century team.

31 Bill Logan
Bill, a member of the Hawkeyes' 1,000 point Club,
topped the squad in scoring three times. A two time all Big Ten
selection, Logan was second team all America in 1956 according to Helms
and Converse Taylor. Bill helped Iowa to a second place Big Ten finish
as a sophomore and consecutive Final Four appearances his last two
seasons. Logan is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

46 Sharm Scheuerman

Sharm made his mark at Iowa as an athlete and
coach. He started on the "Fabulous Five" basketball team and lettered
three times in basketball and baseball. After graduation in 1956, Sharm
returned to coach his alma mater in 1959. His 1961 club finished 18-6

33 Bill Schoof

Bill played forward on the "Fabulous Five" team
and scored 6.3 points per game. A three year letterman, Schoof was a
starter on Iowa's 1955 and 1956 Final Four teams. In those two seasons
he helped the Hawkeyes to a record of 39-13.

22 Bill Seaberg

Bill was a starting guard on the "Fabulous Five"
team that ended up as the NCAA runner up in 1956. He was third team
all-America by Helms and the Hawkeyes' MVP in 1955, when he averaged 13
points. Seaberg is a member of Iowa's all-Century team.

41 Greg Stokes

Greg, a three year starter in the pivot, is the
school's third all time career scorer (1,768 points). Greg owns the
school record for field goal percentage in a game (1.000, 11 of 11).
After an all Big Ten senior season (19.9 scoring norm), Greg was
selected in the 1985 NBA draft by Philadelphia. Stokes is a member of
Iowa's all-Century team.

40 Chris Street

Chris Street's number was retired following his
untimely death in 1993. Street died in an auto accident 15 games into
his junior season. A fixture in Iowa's starting line-up since midway
through his freshman season, Street was averaging 14.5 points and 9.5
rebounds per contest through 15 games and had recently earned MVP honors
at the San Juan Shootout. Chris established an Iowa record by making
34 consecutive free throws
Great info tbonehawkeye. Oops, I mean OnceAhawk.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=8&f=1377&t=13708205


This post was edited on 3/8 11:49 AM by mpls_hawki
 
Yeah, hang some of these players from the rafters. Heaven forbit we create a little mistique in that building.

This post was edited on 3/8 11:53 AM by hansenhawk
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
sorry, I tried to be nice by using the term "shady" instead of "drug addict, deadbeat dad, OWI machine".

of course I cheered for Marble growing up. I was in elementary school. my parents didn't like the fact that he was my idol. I didnt get it. i had met him multiple times. then I found out that he was a drug addict and not a great person. that was crushing as a kid.

it's dumb enough that parents choose sports figures for role models, so the least we could do as a university is honor only the guys who are worthy of our kids attention like BJ and Chris.
People who talk down on people with addiction problems are some of the biggest jackoffs on the planet.

You're a close minded dick.
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
sorry, I tried to be nice by using the term "shady" instead of "drug addict, deadbeat dad, OWI machine".

of course I cheered for Marble growing up. I was in elementary school. my parents didn't like the fact that he was my idol. I didnt get it. i had met him multiple times. then I found out that he was a drug addict and not a great person. that was crushing as a kid.

it's dumb enough that parents choose sports figures for role models, so the least we could do as a university is honor only the guys who are worthy of our kids attention like BJ and Chris.
Wow. I hope that someday that heart of yours thaws out.

Even with everything you brought up about Roy, I would be telling that little kid you used to be that it was better to idolize Roy, than idolize the man that L. Wade Childress would grow up to be.

I know you don't get that. There is nothing anyone can TELL you to help you get it. And I'm not trying to be mean. But people are not supposed get rubber stamped and tossed aside with no opportunity for forgiveness or redemption.

There is something really wrong if you think that is how it works...and I hope you figure it out.
 
im not talking down on addiction. it's very powerful. but it doesn't justify anything in my opinion,particularly if it's self-induced.

I am guessing that it took quite a bit of negotiating and infighting to even get this simple ceremony pushed through the athletic dept. to put it lightly roy has burned a lot of bridges with Iowa over the years.

I love how posters are painting me as some self righteous prick and ignoring the basic facts. but, Internet.
 
Originally posted by L. Wade Childress:
im not talking down on addiction. it's very powerful. but it doesn't justify anything in my opinion,particularly if it's self-induced.

I am guessing that it took quite a bit of negotiating and infighting to even get this simple ceremony pushed through the athletic dept. to put it lightly roy has burned a lot of bridges with Iowa over the years.

I love how posters are painting me as some self righteous prick and ignoring the basic facts. but, Internet.
because you are....
 
why? because I do not think scoring a lot of points trumps not graduating, embarrassing the school, not raising your kids, and having your own server at Iowa Courts Online?

the thing is, I dont feel that strongly about it. if Iowa chose to retire his number, I wouldnt argue. I am simply presenting my opinion against a group of fans who using this as another BS opportunity to bash our athletic department.
 
excerpts from article by Rick Brown:

Iowa is proud of its basketball tradition, but you'd never know it by walking into Carver-Hawkeye Arena. Yes, there are banners celebrating team accomplishments. But individual honors remain hidden in the attic.


That's about to change. Iowa athletic director Gary Barta said plans are in place to add a Wall of Honor in Carver-Hawkeye Arena, similar to the football version that came to Kinnick Stadium in 2013.

Thumbs up to this. Give the likes of Murray Wier, Don Nelson, Kevin Kunnert, Chuck Darling and Roy Marble their due. Add Michelle Edwards, Franthea Price and Toni Foster while you're at it. I'd hang their jerseys from the Carver-Hawkeye Arena ceiling.
And I wouldn't stop there. Celebrate the legacy of coaches like Dan Gable, C. Vivian Stringer, Bucky O'Connor and others.

Regarding retiring Mable's Number or Jersey


Marble is Iowa's career-scoring leader with 2,116 points, but he was never a first-team all-Big Ten selection. True, he played in the Big Ten at a time when talent was crazy good.

... Iowa has had three Big Ten most valuable player selections - Wier, Darling and Sam Williams. None have had their number or jersey retired.

The decision to retire numbers or jerseys rests in the hands of a committee that includes coaches, the athletic director, the media relations director and the Varsity Club. That committee has already been painted into a corner.

Of the eight retired numbers and one retired jersey for men's basketball, not all fit the current criteria for inclusion. So a Wall of Honor seems the most equitable path moving forward.

Barta said he doesn't see Iowa retiring numbers or jerseys again. There are exceptions, like Chris Street, whose No. 40 was
emotionally retired shortly after his death in 1993.

This post was edited on 3/9 2:30 PM by OnceAhawk

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/basketball-rick-brown/2015/03/08/carver-hawkeye-arena-wall-of-honor-iowa-hawkeyes-retired-numbers-jerseys-gary-barta/24618047/
 
Why wouldn't you retire any more jerseys? I get that it should be kept very exclusive, but why would you just come out and say "we aren't going to do this anymore"?

Just because you haven't done it in the last 20 years? Well, tell me - How many players in the players 20 years (mainly under Alford and Lick) have been good enough to deserve that honor? In case you hadn't noticed, Gary, the on-floor product has been generally pretty mediocre.

I'm not opposed to the "Wall of Honor" thing they are doing.. It could be kinda cool. But I don't see the sense in saying we aren't going to retire any more jerseys.
This post was edited on 3/9 3:50 PM by TampaHawkfan
 
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