After watching K State, we are better than Baylor!!
Baylor: No way they beat Iowa!
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The douchy Joel Klatt had Iowa #10 in HIS Rankings, and had Baylor #2. He argued that Baylor beat Texas Tech, who beat Arkansas, who beat...Not sure.
Using the same logic, Iowa beat Northwestern who beat Stanford, who he had ranked ahead of Iowa!!! I liked the slow game down gameplan by KState, almost worked.
Using the same logic, Iowa beat Northwestern who beat Stanford, who he had ranked ahead of Iowa!!! I liked the slow game down gameplan by KState, almost worked.
Oklahoma may end up winning the Big 12 this year. They actually have a defense.
I think they overdid the "grind it out" strategy, in that, you don't have to take it down between every play. The goal is to be EFFICIENT with possessions and allow the defense to rest so they can stop Baylor once or twice if you can consistently run the ball.
They got greedy in the first half taking unnecessary shots that allowed Baylor to build a lead.
Props to the defense for making adjustments (I'm assumingthat happened based on Baylor's 2nd half performance) as they generally contained the bears. The clock management at the end was pretty poor, though. 1:50 to score from the 3? Show a little urgency down 2 scores.
They got greedy in the first half taking unnecessary shots that allowed Baylor to build a lead.
Props to the defense for making adjustments (I'm assumingthat happened based on Baylor's 2nd half performance) as they generally contained the bears. The clock management at the end was pretty poor, though. 1:50 to score from the 3? Show a little urgency down 2 scores.
3 turnovers by K State otherwise it may have been a different outcome. 250 plus yards running for KS. I think we could stack up. Bottom line for me is I do not see a dominant team this year. I see teams that have some huge upside on one side of the ball and are average at best on the other side. Even Baylor tonite outside of a couple of big offensive plays looked "ok" on offense. I know that is their game but I was not blown away. It's not like they just beat a really good team either.
No no no no. Baylor's offense is explosive according to that dork on the committee.
I imagine Iowa would have about 500 yards rushing against Baylor. Baylor didn't seem to have much of an answer for K-State running the ball. I'm not really sure why K-State just didn't keep running the ball until Baylor stopped them.
Maybe there's a rule in the Big 12 that you can only run the ball so many times in a game
Maybe there's a rule in the Big 12 that you can only run the ball so many times in a game
Baylor's definitely looked suspect against the run. Now, I wouldn't go as far as to say Iowa would beat them. You never know against those teams that are willing to throw it 50-60 times a game if need be.
Yahoo Sports headline reads, "Behind New Quarterback, Baylor Offense Keeps Rolling."
They scored HALF of their season average against the 83rd ranked defense in college football.
You literally can't make his shyt up!
They scored HALF of their season average against the 83rd ranked defense in college football.
You literally can't make his shyt up!
Baylor clearly misses their starting QB. The new kid is very good and a terrific passer, but giving up the serious run threat makes a difference. Also, the defense is highly suspect. Iowa State moved the ball consistently at Waco, and we saw what Kansas State did last night.
Cautionary note: K-State is better than one might think from the 'Cats record.
Whether Iowa would beat Baylor is another question. Based on the performance of the two teams against ISU, the answer obviously is no. But it wouldn't shock me. Iowa could do what KSU did last night, only more so.
Cautionary note: K-State is better than one might think from the 'Cats record.
Whether Iowa would beat Baylor is another question. Based on the performance of the two teams against ISU, the answer obviously is no. But it wouldn't shock me. Iowa could do what KSU did last night, only more so.
Nobody knows what would happen if Iowa played Baylor. College football teams are inconsistent. A great example is Iowa State dominating Texas who beat Oklahoma who is still in the CFP race.
At this point in the season I would think Baylor would be favored against Iowa. However, if you project what would happen in a bowl game then maybe CJ getting healthy would help tip the odds in Iowa's favor. From my understanding, Baylor's starting QB is not going to be back at any point this season, but CJ's injuries could heal before the CFP which would give Iowa a tremendous asset that we have been playing without since probably the Pittsburgh game.
Make no mistake about it though, Baylor's offense did perform pretty well last night. They put up over 500 yards of offense and the reason they only scored 31 points had to do more with KSU's offense controlling the ball than it did Baylor's offense. I'd still say Baylor wins at least 6 games out of 10 against Iowa.
At this point in the season I would think Baylor would be favored against Iowa. However, if you project what would happen in a bowl game then maybe CJ getting healthy would help tip the odds in Iowa's favor. From my understanding, Baylor's starting QB is not going to be back at any point this season, but CJ's injuries could heal before the CFP which would give Iowa a tremendous asset that we have been playing without since probably the Pittsburgh game.
Make no mistake about it though, Baylor's offense did perform pretty well last night. They put up over 500 yards of offense and the reason they only scored 31 points had to do more with KSU's offense controlling the ball than it did Baylor's offense. I'd still say Baylor wins at least 6 games out of 10 against Iowa.
Iowa went to ISU and won by 14, Baylor beat you by 18 at home. Why is the answer "obviously" no? Before the game yesterday, you said this "The way KSU has been playing, this won't be entertaining for long. Wildcats have been devastated by injuries. Last I heard, they had their second-team quarterback playing despite a history of concussions." But now you've obviously changed your stance.
I'm guessing because Iowa took the lead with a little over 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter, whereas Baylor was never in danger of losing. The Iowa/ISU game was much closer than the score indicates, and the Baylor/ISU game was not as close as the score indicates.
With that said, I have no doubt that ISU typically plays with more energy against Iowa, and as you mentioned the game was at home.
KSU's quarterback is a very average passer--the stats show it and he missed a number of very easy short passes that would have resulted in some nice gains. Knowing this going in to the game, Baylor still couldn't stop the run. KSU is a solid team with a suspect secondary as was shown by the freshman CB getting victimized all night long.
I can easily see Baylor losing twice going forward, and if KSU could've protected the ball better last night, it very well could've been the first.
And I don't just say that because Baylor was one of the cheapest/dirtiest teams I've seen play in a long time.
I can easily see Baylor losing twice going forward, and if KSU could've protected the ball better last night, it very well could've been the first.
And I don't just say that because Baylor was one of the cheapest/dirtiest teams I've seen play in a long time.
You guys are WAY off base in regards to the Big 12. I heard a guy on ESPN yesterday and he said the B12 plays GREAT defense despite all the yards and points. The reason they DON'T look great is because the OFFENSES are better!
Get it straight guys. ESPN is ALWAYS right!
Get it straight guys
. ESPN is ALWAYS right!Not sure that's true. Baylor to ISU stats 485-388. Iowa to ISU stats 475-310. The game is 60 minutes, whether you score them at the beginning or at the end, they count the same.
So Baylor should drop in the rankings based on they barely beat a poor KState team, right?
ohh, and can't remember the color guy's name (and don't care enough to look it up), but his man-crush on the new Baylor QB was borderline creepy.
I honestly think they will, if Iowa and others play well behind them. If we sqweek by Indiana, we will probably drop as well. The committee has to assume this is what Baylor will look like with the new QB at the helm.
Because I saw both games. ISU led throughout the first half of the Iowa game, which was tied with 3 minutes to play. Baylor took a 35-0 lead over ISU in the first half. If that doesn't warrant use of the word "obviously," I do not know what would. Moreover, ISU is a better team now than it was early in the season. (I realize Iowa is, as well).
As I think I said, Iowa might well be able to control the ball, score points, and beat Baylor. But I would be shocked if Iowa's defense, which hasn't seen anything remotely as good as Baylor's offense, could handle the Bears.
I plead guilty to changing my tune on KSU. I've been all over the lot on the Wildcats this year. Prior to the season, I thought they were going to be a top 25 type team. Then they had all the injury problems. Ironically, their best games appear to have come against the two best teams they have played, TCU and Baylor. Which is what I was thinking of when I made the remark about them being better than one might think. My bad. Definitely inconsistent comments.
It's easy to forget how much our defense dominated that second half. ISU never threatened to score. They had what, 60 yards? And made it past the 50 once (to about the 45 I think). It wasn't a matter of if Iowa was going to take the lead, it was when.
I would expect that, although God only knows what goes through the minds of the people doing the rankings. Although I would replace "a poor KState team" with "a KState team with a mediocre record."
So what you are saying, is that in order to make a solid opinion on an entire football game, we should ignore everything that happens in the second halves? Got it. Editing to fully disclose that I know I'm being a d***.
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Calling it now. Oklahoma wins out in the B12 thanks to their defense, but their loss to Texas keeps them out of the playoff.
Of course, then they would have the CyHawk trophy. I actually know what he's saying: a game where a team gets out to a 35-0 lead and wins 45-27 is nothing like a game that is tied at 17 with a few minutes left and ends up 31-17. One game was very competitive and one was not at all competitive. Still, I think we beat them, especially now.
Baylor's got Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and TCU the next three weeks. Respectable wins if they get em. But I don't see it.
Baylor is a poser. Always has been. Always will be. K-State can't pass a lick. K-State ran the same weird little read option play about a million times, and Baylor STILL hasn't stopped it. And anybody who thinks Baylor would beat Iowa is delusional at best.
Some of you people are about as football smart as...well, you could work for ESPN with that deep lack of awareness. So good for you.
Some of you people are about as football smart as...well, you could work for ESPN with that deep lack of awareness.
So good for you.
Then why do you do it?
This is really kinda funny. After the ISU-Baylor game, the consensus here -- in fact, it might have been unanimous -- was that the Bears took their paws off the gas, it was actually a total blowout regardless of what happened in the last 40 minutes, etc., etc., etc.
On the other hand, the ISU-Iowa game has become more one-sided with every passing day. The reality is that Iowa dominated the second half and fully deserved to win. It was the better team. But the other reality is that with 6 minutes to play it was tied and ISU had the ball in decent field position.
This is ridiculous, anyway. I am 99.9999% certain that this time Sunday, I (and everybody else) will believe that Oklahoma was a much more difficult opponent for ISU than was Texas, and that based solely on the games ISU played against the two, Texas wouldn't beat Oklahoma. But it happened. So the fact that the Baylor game wasn't close and the Iowa game was does not necessarily mean Iowa wouldn't beat Baylor if they played.
Which might happen. At this point, it seems likely (to me) that neither Baylor or Iowa will make the playoff but both will finish fairly high in the polls and could conceivably meet in a bowl.
Because your pot shots and ever changing view points, to knock Iowa's success, annoy the hell out of me. I come here to talk Iowa football, recruiting, etc, and instead have to listen to you and other ISU fans bag on an 8-0 Iowa team. IMO, Iowa could play with every team in the nation by using a game here or there as an example. Baylor struggled last night, TCU struggled against Minnesota, OSU and MSU struggled with some pretty crappy opponents. Bama lost and struggled with Tennessee, Notre Dame lost, Florida's QB is out for the season for cheating. LSU struggled with WKU, Miss St, and only beat Syracuse by 10. Clemson struggled with Louisville and Notre Dame. There is no perfect, dominant team right now, and as well as Iowa's Defense has played, they would be in every one of these games.
