Beating the Hilton Magic curse this year....

[TheHawkeyeDudeAbides]

I know the football season is not over but I've always been more a basketball fan than football for Iowa.

Anyway, this year Iowa faces a preseason ranked Cyclone club at Ames with its 4 seniors, a short bench of experienced talent and a shorter than normal club with only one 6'9" guy (Jameel McKay). ISUcc will probably play the "trade a basket" shooting uptempo game that has blown Iowa out because Iowa is not had the best 3 point shooting teams in the past. ISUcc always has some guy who comes off the bench and has the game of his life and torches the nets with 3 pointers like never before (i.e. Dustin Hogue, Naz Long, Abner Nader). Niang will get double figures regardless and Monte Morris will their next most reliable scorer. McKay played after the noncon season, so Iowa did not see him but his is their best shot blocker. Matt Thomas can be hot and cold. Deonte Burton is a transfer (surprise, surprise).

Iowa will bring its four seniors (Woody, Gesell, Uthoff, Clemmons) also. Gesell needs a solid interior game play to open his shot up. Uthoff will be the best player on the floor (talent wise). If Woody can control the boards, play 25 minutes and score 10 points while not fouling out, he will have played well (IMO). Clemmons needs to play solid defense and not force bad shots to be effective. Jok must play the hero to help Uthoff fend off ISUcc's onslaught offensive game. If someone can dribble drive effectively to the basket and collect fouls, Iowa can win. I did not get to hear how much Uhl improved this summer but I hope he took a big step forward. Uhl is quick footed and very athletic. The Ellingson, Moss, Fleming outside shooting attack may be a big difference maker. Iowa still needs to control ISU to under 80 points. Johnny is dead, let the magic die, too.

I believe that now that Father Flanagan Hoiberg is gone and Iowa is getting better talent, this series can return to Iowa's favor. I just want the tide to turn this year.

 

[lenoxhawks]

Maybe you should talk about it on the cyclone board or wait until the week we play them. Or maybe bring it up on one of the other dozen threads about ames community college.

 

[KeyWest Tim]

It should be a very interesting game. Looking forward to it.

 

[DanL53]

It's just too far off the radar for me to think about. All I can say at this point is I want to see how Iowa State plays as a team, because last year they beat themselves more often than got beat. And I want to see what Iowa's new guys bring for a few games.

 

[clickhere 01]

It's just too far off the radar for me to think about. All I can say at this point is I want to see how Iowa State plays as a team, because last year they beat themselves more often than got beat. And I want to see what Iowa's new guys bring for a few games.

What?

 

[clickhere 01]

Maybe you should talk about it on the cyclone board or wait until the week we play them. Or maybe bring it up on one of the other dozen threads about ames community college.

There's 50 threads on this page and 2 others about ISU. It's an outrage!!

 

[DanL53]

What?

Don't take it the wrong way. I thought Iowa State had an extremely talented team, but got a little jittery at times. Just my opinion.

 

[ft254]

Maybe you should talk about it on the cyclone board or wait until the week we play them. Or maybe bring it up on one of the other dozen threads about ames community college.

You mean there can't be discussion on this board about Iowa playing at Hilton. Shut up.

 

[clickhere 01]

Don't take it the wrong way. I thought Iowa State had an extremely talented team, but got a little jittery at times. Just my opinion.

I didn't take it any way but was looking for clarification. How did they beat themselves more than they were beat? Makes no sense,Dan.

 

[hawk-i bob]

all the ISU fans after their football loss that I know wanted to talk about was "well we will beat you in basketball"... maybe so maybe not...after 2 straight losses...I would think our guys will be ready for some Hilton magic of their own.

 

[DanL53]

I didn't take it any way but was looking for clarification. How did they beat themselves more than they were beat? Makes no sense,Dan.

Couple examples:

Maryland. State shot 29% for the game and 6-27 from the 3.
South Carolina. 1-18 from 3. Was still a close game but 13 turnovers didn't help.

I'd give you more but you're the Iowa State fan, not me. Should be your job to know this stuff.

 

[clickhere 01]

Couple examples:

Maryland. State shot 29% for the game and 6-27 from the 3.
South Carolina. 1-18 from 3. Was still a close game but 13 turnovers didn't help.

I'd give you more but you're the Iowa State fan, not me. Should be your job to know this stuff.

That's quite an insult. Just because i get a chuckle out of our fans that get upset when an ISU thread pops up doesn't make me a clone fan.

Anyway, my point was simple, how can you beat yourself more than you were beat. Wouldn't it be, at most,the same amount?

 

[DanL53]

That's quite an insult. Just because i get a chuckle out of our fans that get upset when an ISU thread pops up doesn't make me a clone fan.

Anyway, my point was simple, how can you beat yourself more than you were beat. Wouldn't it be, at most,the same amount?

I would have sworn you were a Clone fan. No insult intended.

 

[FSHawkeye87]

I drunkenly bet my ISU buddies $100 that Iowa would beat them in Ames this year in basketball. I really believe it could happen, but the gall to make that bet was definitely aided by some liquid courage.

 

[CyCity]

Uthoff will be the best player on the floor talent wise?

 

[DanL53]

I just checked, and you Cyclone fans do know you've got six games before Iowa, right? And Iowa has just a few ourselves.

 

[David1979]

I don't think Iowa wins at Hilton this year. ISU is very good at Hilton and they have all their best guys back.

 

[IamHawkeye]

I don't think Iowa wins at Hilton this year. ISU is very good at Hilton and they have all their best guys back.

The sportswriter who first wrote "Hilton Magic" in his article on a rather long ago game should have received some sort of payment from ISU, because ISU has played that phrase for all its worth.

 

[Cydkar]

I know the football season is not over but I've always been more a basketball fan than football for Iowa.

Anyway, this year Iowa faces a preseason ranked Cyclone club at Ames with its 4 seniors, a short bench of experienced talent and a shorter than normal club with only one 6'9" guy (Jameel McKay). ISUcc will probably play the "trade a basket" shooting uptempo game that has blown Iowa out because Iowa is not had the best 3 point shooting teams in the past. ISUcc always has some guy who comes off the bench and has the game of his life and torches the nets with 3 pointers like never before (i.e. Dustin Hogue, Naz Long, Abner Nader). Niang will get double figures regardless and Monte Morris will their next most reliable scorer. McKay played after the noncon season, so Iowa did not see him but his is their best shot blocker. Matt Thomas can be hot and cold. Deonte Burton is a transfer (surprise, surprise).

Iowa will bring its four seniors (Woody, Gesell, Uthoff, Clemmons) also. Gesell needs a solid interior game play to open his shot up. Uthoff will be the best player on the floor (talent wise). If Woody can control the boards, play 25 minutes and score 10 points while not fouling out, he will have played well (IMO). Clemmons needs to play solid defense and not force bad shots to be effective. Jok must play the hero to help Uthoff fend off ISUcc's onslaught offensive game. If someone can dribble drive effectively to the basket and collect fouls, Iowa can win. I did not get to hear how much Uhl improved this summer but I hope he took a big step forward. Uhl is quick footed and very athletic. The Ellingson, Moss, Fleming outside shooting attack may be a big difference maker. Iowa still needs to control ISU to under 80 points. Johnny is dead, let the magic die, too.

I believe that now that Father Flanagan Hoiberg is gone and Iowa is getting better talent, this series can return to Iowa's favor. I just want the tide to turn this year.

Burton won't play against Iowa. FYI.

 

[hooper56]

Don't take it the wrong way. I thought Iowa State had an extremely talented team, but got a little jittery at times. Just my opinion.

They had tremendous talent. That was a final four squad and had they been coached by a better guy they would have been in the final four. That's my opinion. I think Hoyburger was tremendous at gettting the talent to Ames but he really struggled in the Xs and Os department. I would not be surprised to see Prohm do a lot more with a lot less.

 

[Ollie4ISU]

They had tremendous talent. That was a final four squad and had they been coached by a better guy they would have been in the final four. That's my opinion. I think Hoyburger was tremendous at gettting the talent to Ames but he really struggled in the Xs and Os department. I would not be surprised to see Prohm do a lot more with a lot less.

"...he really struggled in the Xs and Os department" and yet is hired to coach the NBA's Bulls? I'll grant that there could have been a little more focus on defense at times, but "struggling at Xs and Os" is silly.

 

[Lone Clone]

1. On paper, ISU should win fairly easily.

2. There is no Hilton curse.

3. Iowa has had significantly more success at Hilton than just about any other team, except for Kansas, probably. Hawks have won about a third of the time. And I suspect the difference between Iowa and Kansas isn't all that great, although in the past 10 years ISU has been a lot more successful at home against the Hawkeyes than the Jayhawks.

 

[Hans81]

I don't agree that "on paper, isu should win fairly easily". The Clowns may win, but nothing about it will be easy.

 

[Lone Clone]

I don't agree that "on paper, isu should win fairly easily". The Clowns may win, but nothing about it will be easy.

I agree it won't be easy. That's why I said "on paper, ISU should win fairly easily" instead of "ISU should win fairly easily" or even "I expect ISU to win fairly easily."

ISU blew out the Hawks last year and returns over 80% of the points from that team, plus the Big XII defensive player of the year, who didn't suit up. Iowa lost a first-team all-conference player and the best sixth man in the league. The game is at Hilton.

That's what it looks like on paper.

 

[hooper56]

In my paper it also mentions Iowa State lost its beloved coach who recruited said players. I don't know whether that is a positive or negative as far as determining who will win the game on paper, but I believe it is a significant factor.

 

[Lone Clone]

In my paper it also mentions Iowa State lost its beloved coach who recruited said players. I don't know whether that is a positive or negative as far as determining who will win the game on paper, but I believe it is a significant factor.

It could indeed be a significant factor. So could the fact that in light of last year's outcome, ISU players might be overconfident and UI players might be especially motivated. But it isn't a known quantity like the returning personnel. I also didn't take note of new players (other than McKay, of course).

 

[Ronman]

That's quite an insult. Just because i get a chuckle out of our fans that get upset when an ISU thread pops up doesn't make me a clone fan.

Anyway, my point was simple, how can you beat yourself more than you were beat. Wouldn't it be, at most,the same amount?

For not being a Clone fan, you do more than a passable impersonation on this board.

 

[clickhere 01]

For not being a Clone fan, you do more than a passable impersonation on this board.

I must say,i find your impersonation of a douche bag very believable.....almost uncanny

 

[yerpHAWK]

I don't feel like this is a win, like I did the last 2 seasons. But I didn't think we'd beat North Carolina either.

 

[Ronman]

I must say,i find your impersonation of a douche bag very believable.....almost uncanny

Touchy, touchy.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Monte Morris will get wherever he wants on the floor and McKay will get a bunch of offensive boards. Long will make some long shots, Nader won't (what a fluke he was in the IA-ISU game from beyond the arc). Niang is very capable of throwing up a brick house, gotta hope he has one if those off nights he has 16 times a season.

Hopefully Jok is in rhythm and Uthoff is the player of the game. I think it's better that White is gone, excited to see how the new guys play D and if Jones can really shoot like Charlie Villanueva.