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Beef between Fran and Woodson?

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I was surprised how long the starters remained in the game yesterday. We had 1 or 2 starters still on the floor at the end of the game.

Fran will typically empty the bench a bit more when he's up 20+ late.

I also noticed a very quick handshake at the end. Is there a history of bad blood that I've missed?
 
From a couple seasons ago.


The video didn’t show the end, but what a collection of clowns Paul Szelc, Larry Scirotto, and Courtney Green. Three of the biggest shitheads to officiate a collegiate game and they’re all together.

IIRC, Woodson was continuing to have conferences with the clown officials and Fran wanted in on them. Woodson got pissy about Fran being on their side of the court during a dead ball.

Most importantly, Woodson is 1-5 vs Iowa, so that is likely much of it.
 
I also noticed a very quick handshake at the end. Is there a history of bad blood that I've missed?

I noticed the weak handshake, too.

I don't think Woodson likes Fran; I think Fran is indifferent towards Woodson.

Some of the history:

On March 12, 2022, Iowa beat IU 80-77 in the B1G Tourney semifinals.

During the game, Fran walked over towards the Indiana huddle, and Woodson was irate about it. He was pissed in the postgame, too.

In the postgame press conference:

Q: Fran, there was a moment where you were in the Indiana huddle for a little bit. What was that about? What was going on?

COACH FRAN McCAFFERY:
Well, seemed to be a conversation over there and I was pretty sure that those guys were not advocating for the Hawkeyes, so I just wanted to include myself to see what the discussion was about, but it was amicable.


 
I noticed the weak handshake, too.

I don't think Woodson likes Fran; I think Fran is indifferent towards Woodson.

Some of the history:

On March 12, 2022, Iowa beat IU 80-77 in the B1G Tourney semifinals.

During the game, Fran walked over towards the Indiana huddle, and Woodson was irate about it. He was pissed in the postgame, too.

In the postgame press conference:

Q: Fran, there was a moment where you were in the Indiana huddle for a little bit. What was that about? What was going on?

COACH FRAN McCAFFERY:
Well, seemed to be a conversation over there and I was pretty sure that those guys were not advocating for the Hawkeyes, so I just wanted to include myself to see what the discussion was about, but it was amicable.


I remember this. Thought it was hilarious. Woodson seems easily triggered.
 
I remember this. Thought it was hilarious. Woodson seems easily triggered.

I forgot about this incident from 2 years ago:

Mike Woodson says he spoke with Big Ten Commissioner regarding Fran McCaffery

By Mike Schumann
January 10, 2023

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Things got out of hand at Iowa City last Thursday, and Indiana head coach Mike Woodson is trying to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

With less than a minute remaining in the game, Iowa head coach Fran McCaffery came across midcourt and into the Indiana bench area as official Paul Szelc was having a discussion with IU assistant coach Yasir Rosemond.

McCaffery’s presence resulted in multiple Iowa staff members coming over to the IU bench to pull him away, and then his son Connor came towards the IU bench area and had to pulled away by several of his teammates.

McCaffery was clearly whistled for a technical foul by Szelc, but for reasons that have still not been explained by the Big Ten, that technical foul was never enforced.

On his radio show on Monday evening, Woodson was asked about the situation by longtime IU radio voice Don Fischer. The second year coach was particularly frustrated with the combustible situation created by McCaffery’s presence near the IU bench.

“When you let coaches cross the line like that, you open up a can of worms for something bad to happen,” Woodson told Fischer.

“Not only has he done that once, he did it twice, and it’s unacceptable.”

The Daily Hoosier has asked the Big Ten to comment on the situation but has not received a response as of the publication of this story.

The situation comes less than a year after Michigan head coach Juwan Howard slapped a Wisconsin assistant coach during a post-game altercation. That incident highlighted how things can quickly escalate out of control in the heat of the moment. Howard was suspended for the rest of the regular season.

It was that aspect, rather than the fact that the technical foul was not enforced, that caused Woodson to reach out to Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren.

“I made that very clear to the (Big Ten) Commissioner, because I would never go into another coach’s space,” Woodson said. “Forget the officiating, you saw the game just like I did. But the coach part of it, that can never happen again.”

The lack of enforcement of the technical foul did have a significant impact on the game.

Indiana trailed just 87-85 at the time the incident occurred, with 53.7 seconds remaining. The Hoosiers were already shooting two free throws. A technical on McCaffery would have given them two more free throws and possession. Moreover, an additional technical foul likely should have been called on Connor McCaffery for approaching the Indiana bench.

It is surprising the Big Ten has not addressed the incident in any public way given both the recent incident with Howard, and McCaffery’s growing history of outbursts.

McCaffery has a long history of allowing his emotions to get the best of him.

He broke a chair in 2012 during an argument with an official. In 2014, McCaffery was suspended for one game when he stormed towards an official and made contact with him. In 2019 he was suspended for two games for chasing down an official post-game and cursing at him on the way to the locker room. Both he and Connor received technical fouls in that game.

Prior to his arrival at Iowa, both McCaffery and his wife were ejected from a game in 2006 when he was the coach at Siena.

McCaffery’s temper is so well known, a special alert system was playfully created by a fan to monitor his mood.

 
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I would take Fran over Woodson too.

However, anyone else at the game catch the dude in the front row (courtside) across from the Indiana bench? He was an Indiana fan, looked wasted, and just laid into Indiana the entire second half. I heard all the stuff he said about Woodson. It was nice to hear from another program.
 
Well after we quit to not run up the score Indiana dunked twice.

However, I can confirm the McCaffery's are not fans of Woodson.
I think you are making more of the incident than really exists. Yes, Woodson was pissed at Fran, but that was nearly 3 years ago, doesn’t seem to be a problem between them now.
 
I think you are making more of the incident than really exists. Yes, Woodson was pissed at Fran, but that was nearly 3 years ago, doesn’t seem to be a problem between them now.

What incident? The one three years ago or scoring late. I'm sure Fran didn't care too much about the late score. He knew Indiana was beaten. He didn't love it, though, I'm sure.

Three years ago? I'm positive he doesn't care much for Woodson. I think that was felt even prior to their personal issue.
 
The video didn’t show the end, but what a collection of clowns Paul Szelc, Larry Scirotto, and Courtney Green. Three of the biggest shitheads to officiate a collegiate game and they’re all together.

IIRC, Woodson was continuing to have conferences with the clown officials and Fran wanted in on them. Woodson got pissy about Fran being on their side of the court during a dead ball.

Most importantly, Woodson is 1-5 vs Iowa, so that is likely much of it.
Paul Szelc is an ignorant scoundrel and I disapprove of his very existence
 
Some Iowa fans want Fran gone, but I would gladly take Fran over Woodson as a head coach. IU prestige and $$$ bring in top players, but Woodson still has very mediocre teams.
From what a long time Hoosier (significant donor) tells me, the basketball team dropped millions on this team. ROI isn't very good. That team showed little interest in playing that game after our second run. I love it.

Unfortunately, the Hawks road wins are lower because we rely too much on the three and our shooting drops off significantly on the road. Doubt win win at USC or UCLA.
 
From what a long time Hoosier (significant donor) tells me, the basketball team dropped millions on this team. ROI isn't very good. That team showed little interest in playing that game after our second run. I love it.

Unfortunately, the Hawks road wins are lower because we rely too much on the three and our shooting drops off significantly on the road. Doubt win win at USC or UCLA.
And defense... or lack thereof.
 
From what a long time Hoosier (significant donor) tells me, the basketball team dropped millions on this team. ROI isn't very good. That team showed little interest in playing that game after our second run. I love it.

Unfortunately, the Hawks road wins are lower because we rely too much on the three and our shooting drops off significantly on the road. Doubt win win at USC or UCLA.
Love your confidence. NOT.
 
From a couple seasons ago.


What is the point of posting this video from a couple of years ago except to make McCaffery look bad? I thought his sideline demeanor has definitely improved over the past few years. Why not post the idiotic behavior of some of the other coaches in the league who seem to get passes by some on here?
 
What is the point of posting this video from a couple of years ago except to make McCaffery look bad? I thought his sideline demeanor has definitely improved over the past few years. Why not post the idiotic behavior of some of the other coaches in the league who seem to get passes by some on here?
You clearly didn’t watch it & see Woodson’s comments at the end, showing he has disdain for Fran. Maybe instead of trying to look cool with the black font you should watch/read the entire post. Come back when you have something worthwhile to contribute.
 
I forgot about this incident from 2 years ago:

Mike Woodson says he spoke with Big Ten Commissioner regarding Fran McCaffery

By Mike Schumann
January 10, 2023

Iowa.png


Things got out of hand at Iowa City last Thursday, and Indiana head coach Mike Woodson is trying to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

With less than a minute remaining in the game, Iowa head coach Fran McCaffery came across midcourt and into the Indiana bench area as official Paul Szelc was having a discussion with IU assistant coach Yasir Rosemond.

McCaffery’s presence resulted in multiple Iowa staff members coming over to the IU bench to pull him away, and then his son Connor came towards the IU bench area and had to pulled away by several of his teammates.

McCaffery was clearly whistled for a technical foul by Szelc, but for reasons that have still not been explained by the Big Ten, that technical foul was never enforced.

On his radio show on Monday evening, Woodson was asked about the situation by longtime IU radio voice Don Fischer. The second year coach was particularly frustrated with the combustible situation created by McCaffery’s presence near the IU bench.

“When you let coaches cross the line like that, you open up a can of worms for something bad to happen,” Woodson told Fischer.

“Not only has he done that once, he did it twice, and it’s unacceptable.”

The Daily Hoosier has asked the Big Ten to comment on the situation but has not received a response as of the publication of this story.

The situation comes less than a year after Michigan head coach Juwan Howard slapped a Wisconsin assistant coach during a post-game altercation. That incident highlighted how things can quickly escalate out of control in the heat of the moment. Howard was suspended for the rest of the regular season.

It was that aspect, rather than the fact that the technical foul was not enforced, that caused Woodson to reach out to Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren.

“I made that very clear to the (Big Ten) Commissioner, because I would never go into another coach’s space,” Woodson said. “Forget the officiating, you saw the game just like I did. But the coach part of it, that can never happen again.”

The lack of enforcement of the technical foul did have a significant impact on the game.

Indiana trailed just 87-85 at the time the incident occurred, with 53.7 seconds remaining. The Hoosiers were already shooting two free throws. A technical on McCaffery would have given them two more free throws and possession. Moreover, an additional technical foul likely should have been called on Connor McCaffery for approaching the Indiana bench.

It is surprising the Big Ten has not addressed the incident in any public way given both the recent incident with Howard, and McCaffery’s growing history of outbursts.

McCaffery has a long history of allowing his emotions to get the best of him.

He broke a chair in 2012 during an argument with an official. In 2014, McCaffery was suspended for one game when he stormed towards an official and made contact with him. In 2019 he was suspended for two games for chasing down an official post-game and cursing at him on the way to the locker room. Both he and Connor received technical fouls in that game.

Prior to his arrival at Iowa, both McCaffery and his wife were ejected from a game in 2006 when he was the coach at Siena.

McCaffery’s temper is so well known, a special alert system was playfully created by a fan to monitor his mood.

Well, it's so nice to hear the complete Hoosier side to the story on the Hawkeye board.
 
You clearly didn’t watch it & see Woodson’s comments at the end, showing he has disdain for Fran. Maybe instead of trying to look cool with the black font you should watch/read the entire post. Come back when you have something worthwhile to contribute.
Black font? Maybe instead of posting like you're some sort of gangsta, you could have just as easily pondered the question I put forward and perhaps generated an intelligent response. Or perhaps not.
 
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