Bernie Sanders on Guns
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His stance on guns is why Hillary will bring up guns so much in the primary. She feels she can hurt him with it.
I don't know. I think the movement to ban guns is vastly overstated. Most people just want some reasonable regulations, not an outright ban.
I agree that there should be some reasonable regulations but what do you think they are. IMHO gun owners are afraid of any because the government does not stop once it gets started.
I agree with what you are saying but the problem comes from what some people consider reasonable. One example would be considering it reasonable to ban the most popular rifle even tho it is used the very least in gun crimes. To me that is asinine not reasonable.
Since I don't know what rifle is the most popular, I have to ask. Which rifle is that and has it's ban actually been proposed?
yes but they are trying sooooo hard with uber and lyft to get rid of single car ownership
But not by banning them or coming to get them.
The economic benefits of Uber and Google's self-driving cars may allow many people to save on the hassles of personal car ownership. I'd be tempted at some point since I drive so little that I pay over 30 cents per mile just in insurance. It's still too convenient to be able to hop in my car any time I want, but if these alternative services mature sufficiently, I may not buy another car. Maybe a scooter.
Because there aren't already hundreds of pages of reasonable regulations right?
The AR 15 is the most popular sporting rifle on the market and is by far the fastest selling platform there is. It is also considered by many to be an assault rifle, which even Bernie Sanders has voted to ban.
They are actually a small subset of the least likely weapon to be used in a crime, the rifle. They are used less than clubs and knifes in homicides.
I understand that but this would be a case of wanting to ban the AR-15 because it looks scary.
I have post several times about the common sense approach that Nebraska has taken for gun permits and while they may actually infringe the Second Amendment, the gun enthusiast are the ones that would fight to keep them in place.
Sporting rifle? What does that mean? I wouldn't consider taking my Bushmaster on a hunting trip. Would you?
1. "Sporting" does not mean "hunting".
2. AR's are a great coyote, hog or prairie dog hunting choice for starters.
3. With the expansion into larger and more traditional calibers, they are starting to become more popular for hunting deer as well.
4. Just bc they're black doesn't mean they're evil.
Would you take your bolt action to a 3 gun competition? Also what are you hunting? The number 1 gun for the predator hunter would be an AR platform. I'm a target shooter, it is a sport to me much like golf is to many others. I've out shot .270 bolt guns with my Stag Arms AR-15.
The real problem I have with the continuous calls for assault rifle bans is it is as if they looked at all the ways to stop gun violence picked out the one that would have the very least impact on the violence and said, hey, lets start there.
Why not start with the real problem we have for gun violence. Young Black men shooting other young Black men with hand guns in the cities. This is by far the biggest problem we have as far as gun violence goes.
Do you think they are working? Or are you ok with being the only industrialized country with over 10k gun deaths every year?
I agree. Banning a specific type of gun won't do anything. I'm more for increasing liability for gun owners.
If you are talking about a gun owner who committed a crime I'm right there with you. If you are talking about holding a gun owner liable for a crime someone else commits, not so much.
Gun regulations are working just fine. Gun regulations aren't the reason gang bangers kill each other like you and I swat at mosquitoes. Gun regulations aren't the reason mentally ill people kill themselves.
I assume you have some realistic gun regulations that will eliminate gang killings and suicide? I'll wait for your answer.
Most drugs are illegal. Do people have a problem getting drugs?
I don't own a gun but I will get one when the government tells me I can't have one.
I don't own a gun but I will get one when the government tells me I can't have one.
Does Chicago have gun regulations?
The answer to the 10k gun deaths is more regulation that does not work?
If you're expecting regulations to take you from 10k to zero you are correct. But regulations can take you from 10k to 8k or 5k or 3k for sure. It all depends how much we value those people we will save.
If you want to debate, I'll debate. But if you are going to be willfully ignorant then there is no point. Bans don't work in Chicago (or any other city) because all anyone needs to do is drive 20 minutes in any direction to buy any weapon they want. Now, I know I actually didn't have to explain that to you, or anyone who uses the "well [insert city] has lots of gun regulations and look at their crime]!" but everyone continues to use that argument as though it actually means something. Many actually believe it. Bans don't work unless you can regulate what enters or leaves the location. The only place that exists is at the country borders. So please, come up with a different argument that doesn't involve using a giant helping of cognitive dissonance to have it make sense.
The other part of that is, every other industrialized country has significant gun regulations or even bans and they have gun deaths in the double digits. Can you explain why their number of deaths are so much lower, assuming of course, that regulations don't work?
Oops, you just screwed up there. Russia is an industrialized nation, they have very strict gun regulations and their homicide and suicide rate are more than double that of the US. You need to qualify that BS by saying advanced or developed nation not industrialized. That way you don't need account for other factors like gangs, race, drugs and border problems and the such, it is all about guns.
Our gun rights have been frittered away for decades. Before 1986 if you wanted a machine gun you filled out the appropriate paperwork paid a tax and got one. Now because they are illegal to make new ones you have to buy a pre 86 one. How is this not a winnowing if gun rights? You're dame straight I don't trust the government when it come to guns. They would like to take them away and the proof is how they've done so in the not too recent past.
Thanks for showing your true motives so quickly. What started as "reasonable regulations" transformed into admitting all out bans are what you really want and think would work. Quite predictable really.
Thread hijack. Agree with bold in first sentence. Disagree with second sentence. Please see federal immigration laws and actual practices.
Do I smell compromise? The border control for fun safety bill sounds promising.
Well, federal immigration laws and practices do make it more difficult to enter the country. No, it is not 100% effective but then nothing is. But I forgot, we are only allowed to argue in black and white here. Something is either 100% effective or it's not worth doing.
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